Victory Gallop: A Star In Growing Turkish Industry

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Dayton TN — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:43:28 GMT

Loved the article + pictures. We have a Victory Gallop son who is his sire's image. Won @ Churchill + elsewhere. Out of Private Account mare. SMART horse. Amazing joy to own + know him.

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JoyJackson21 — Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:43:47 GMT

Dear Michele,

Thank you for the great article about the Turkish racing industry and the absolutely beautiful pictures of these great champion horses. Sea Hero and Victory Gallop look stunningly handsome in their pictures. Sea Hero's close up shot: all I can say is wow! What a face! They are both very obviously extremely well taken care of, and are happy and healthy. It makes me so happy to see & hear they are all doing so well. It also gladdens my heart that they are so revered in Turkey, much more so than they would have been here in the States. It just baffles the mind why American breeders don't appreciate their own top-of-the-line champion horses, throw them away and let other countries acquire the best of our stock. It makes no sense!

I have wondered about Strike the Gold over the years, and I'm so happy to hear how well loved he was by the Turks. He was a national treasure to them! I'm so happy about all of this. This has made my day to hear such good news.

To Gammyp: No need to worry about I'll Have Another. He has arrived in Japan, and is happily adjusting to his new life there. We have pictures and videos and articles on his exploits in Japan. I'll Have Another is doing GREAT so far. There is a video of him running around in the pasture, incredibly happy and frisky, showing off for the press. IHA's used to a lot of attention, and the sight of all of the reporters and cameras made him run and prance with glee for them. He was friendly and outgoing.

I'll Have Another has a Twitter account, as does Big Red Farm, they keep us regularly posted on IHA, as does Three Chimneys Farm. Big Red Farm is AMAZINGLY beautiful - WOW, is it ever beautiful!! It rivals the very best farms in Kentucky, hands down. I'll Have Another's stall is big, luxurious and beautiful. Soon, he will have another best friend to pal around with just as he had in Lava Man. I'm sure very soon the staff will all adore him, just as the staff at Doug O'Neill's barn all adored him, and just as we fans do, too. Plus, a lot of IHA's fans from the States are communicating with Big Red Farm about IHA. Big Red Farm also has videos on YouTube (they are in Japanese, not English, but you will get the jist of what is being said just by looking at what is going on onscreen), and they have a website in English, with information on all of their horses, which also include Roses in May and Conduit. I'll Have Another will be treated like the king he is and will have an excellent life. His breeding book has been totally sold out for next year and the list of mares on it is reportedly from Mr Okada, the owner of Big Red Farm, top rate mares. The more I see and hear of I'll Have Another and Big Red Farm, the happier I become. He was sent to an outstanding place to live. The Japanese fans appear to already love him and have an interest in all of his activities. (There were Japanese reporters with television/still cameras there as well.) And when the time comes when IHA's breeding obligations are completed, IHA will come back home. That is certain. Then we fans can visit him as much as we like, give him lots of love & attention, bring him lots of treats, and spoil him absolutely rotten! - LOL. So, take heart Gammyp!

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Gate2wire — Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:52:13 GMT

Thanks for the Great Article...

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sajjad — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:37:43 GMT

michele mcdonald,

thanks for the article - victory gallop and sea hero look great - i had seen victory gallop at prestonwood farm before it became winstar of other texans ,from mr art preston .

I have sent two stallions to Pakistan - from usa

1.Unassisted (by court martial) in 1973 . was very good stallion for pakistan,s sultan stud .

2.KEY GUY - 2004 (by key to the mint out of chelsea dancer )

he has done great and is a world class broodmare sire - stamina into local breed fillies .

please give me some address,s of turkey,s stud farms ,we want to get in touch with them - thanks

saj chaudhry

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gammyp — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 06:26:42 GMT

Too bad IHA did'nt go to Turkey.

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wolfstraum — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:00:45 GMT

Always a Sea Hero fan, I have been searching for news of him for quite some time....Glad to hear he is being cared for and is happy and thriving!

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Love 'em all — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:07:57 GMT

Michele, thanks for treating us with such an informative and interesting article ... and sharing all the wonderful pictures.

Thanks, too, to all the good folks in Turkey who help keep these horses happy and healthy. Cheers to all.

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shezalongtallsally — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 05:15:10 GMT

i loved Sea Hero and so glad to know what's happening with him. many years ago i picked him and wow~i shoulda bet, huh! same for Strike The Gold. friends told me to bet. i never did.

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skyfire — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:09:24 GMT

Glad to see these courageous racehorses appreciated like they deserve to be!

American breeders need to be patient: Lemon Drop Kid was not an immediate success. Empire Maker and Lion Heart: two top stallions exported too soon.

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Uncle Smiley — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:03:29 GMT

Pedigree Ann:

I am delighted to read your sage comments relating to the Scythians. A great ancient equestrian based civilization that certainly brought horses to Anatolia, and West to all of Europe, and onto the Arabian Shield.

Do you know how horses got not only into China, but into Japan?

As far as I know, they never entered the Pacific from the West, ie From Japan or China.

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Old Bald Peg — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 00:36:21 GMT

I would expect no less than a wonderful home in Turkey for these glorious horses. After all we are talking about a country which is in the -cradle- of thoroughbred origin!

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an ole railbird — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 00:16:11 GMT

just about 3 years ago, (almost to the day), i over heard a conversation between 2 of the more prominent breeders of todays market. their subject was out crosses.and where to find what was needed to qualify as an outcross.

one of these gentleman stated that " he was keeping constant vigil, on the breeding programs in turkey". apparently he was very impressed with their progess, over there.

the advanatge that the turks& many more foreign countrys have over the usa, is that they still use horses in every day life.

the horse in the usa, is no longer needed in everyday life. so the people with hands on experince, with horses, has diminished to an all time low. this has lead us to class horses along the same lines as family pets.

this practice has lead to the dumbing down of the horse world in general. ( the last time i watched the equi-fest. i actully wept).

with the foriegn countrys still breeding for function,purpose, &durability. it will leave us a way out of the corner that we are breeding ourselves into.

what makes the other breeds that are out there, better than the TB?

i know that im not the only 1, who has thought of this.

but i have never heard anyone say it.

the reason for the other breeds, progression, is simply, when the need to excite the gene pool, they just breed to a TB stallion. it gives them an outcross, that excites the gene pool. & provides the gentic make up, of hybrid vigor.

hybrid vigor has been the secret to improving in all mammals& some fish& fowl.

there is no way for it to happen by the rules of the jockey club.

so the answer to the problem is to slect breeding partners, from different parts of the world.

i said all of that to say, we should be making friends,& trading horses with the turks, & all these other countrys that are buying our good blood lines.

cross victory gallop, on a native turkish mare. then cross sea hero, on a native mare. take these offspring& breed them. the product of this breeding, will then breed back to usa bred mares& add 2 completly new gentic make-ups that will go along way to correct our ills.

i dont mean to imply, that our programs are at epidemic stage. because they are not. but we have maybe 14 years to keep it from being an epidemic.

i do not want to see a half breed progam in the jockey club.

it is my opinion that geography, is the way to start this gentic search.

it has worked in all other livestock. and yes horses are livestock. and i will continue to call them such, until they start giving them SS numbers& put 1 in the white house.

thank you for letting me voice my opinion. i really enjoy this new bad habit i have aqiured(called bloggin).

wish a good day to all.

"an ole railbird

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AlyssaF — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:27:42 GMT

Its always great to see how well American stallions are doing overseas. They all look fantastic, and I am sure that they are all well loved too. I agree with what was said above; more than often countries that buy our classic winners appreciate them more than we americans do.

And it doesn't suprise me that American breeders want to buy Lion Heart back. His 2 Yr old son Uncaptured is currently 3 for 3 this year (and he is being trained by Mark Casse), and he has an unstarted 2 year old colt, named Know More, who is expected to do big things in his racing career (Know More is being trained by O'Neill). Know More happens to be a grandson of Seattle Slew, and a great-grandson of Spectacular Bid through his dam, Seattle Qui. He is one of the up and coming 2 year olds that I am actively following. Any current pictures of Lion Heart? I had the pleasure of seeing him in person shortly after he won the Haskell; he truly is a beautiful horse.

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LucyWG — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:29:05 GMT

I want to second Ceil Rock's defense of Arabian horses. Look at the results of the Tevis Cup (one of the toughest endurace races in the world). The vast majority of those placing in the top ten each year carry at least 50% Arabian blood.

In my life I have had a quarter horse, an appaloosa, a thoroughbred and several Arab or half-Arab horses. The Arabs were great horses; my bay, a purebred, was a trail class champion, showed dressage through fourth level, was a pretty good trail horse and would chase cattle. I also gave lessons on him and he won a number of classes for little girls. Don't sell Arabs short.

I loved this article and the pictures are marvelous. Victory Gallop looks amazing!

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Terry M. — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:20:27 GMT

Some of my personal favourites were sent to Turkey, and I had been worried about them. Not anymore! I hope these great stallions, so under-appreciated while in North America, stay in Turkey for their entire lives. They are loved and revered there. Thanks for a wonderful article with lovely photos.

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Tairaterces — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:05:28 GMT

Michele . . . THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I have been in love with SEA HERO forever and have been so worried about him being so far away. He looks ABSOLUTELY SPECTACULAR!!

The article is great too . . .

You rock Michele . . thank you again!!

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Karen in Texas — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:40:46 GMT

Thanks so much for the report on the Turkish breeding industry and on our previous American stallions! Victory Gallop and Sea Hero appear to be thriving. These "Around The Globe" segments are so timely and enlightening--I hope they are mind-expanding for all who read them.

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ceil rock — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:24:13 GMT

Arabians are not "show ring Barbies". They are the breed of choice in endurance riding. They're still going strong when every other breed is falling by the wayside. Sheikh Mohammed, for instance, breeds Arabians as well as Thoroughbreds (and sponsors an Arabian race at Keeneland in the fall). He and his son competed in the endurance riding competition at the Kentucky Horse Park during the last World Equestrian Games. As far as bringing these old stallions "home" - bad idea. Turkey is their home and they are being well cared for. Alysheba lasted about six months when he was sent back to the USA from Saudi Arabia. You can't uproot an old horse from his familiar surroundings and caretakers and stick him on an airplane just so you can go see him. Think of his well being first.

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Deborah Webb — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:10:52 GMT

I had no idea that breeding and racing were so extensive in Turkey! The stallions are dappled and look like they get first rate care in Turkey. I've always wondered because I find it easy to picture Turkey as full of nothing but mountains, villages, and deserts, and the populace made up largely of Kurds. Good point brought up about the Byerly Turk. Thanks for the reminder that these people go centuries back with horses, and probably have horse care methods useful for American breeding and racing horses.

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Agnes — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:07:34 GMT

Thanks for a wonderful article and GREAT pictures. I had forgotten Sea Hero was still alive.

It was interesting that the Turkish government is over-taxing the racing industry, an unfriendly attitude often found here at home.

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Pedigree Ann — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:23:27 GMT

"Thousands of years ago, Turkic people on the Central Asian steppes were the first in the world to domesticate horses, and their power on horseback dominated history for centuries."

Although Turkic peoples are prominent in the Central Asian steppes today, Iranian peoples like the Saka occupied the region at the time in which horses were domesticated. (The Greek catch-all term for these Iranian peoples, whose territory stretched from the Carpathians to the Altai Mountains, was Scythians.) Turkic peoples were the immediate eastern neighbors of those Iranian peoples and shared a lifestyle of herding, so were undoubtedly among the first to join them in horse-riding, long before the Middle Eastern civilizations saw a domesticated horse.

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duchess — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:17:54 GMT

These stallions look very healthy and happy. They are obviously receiving the best of care.

Loving horses has deep roots in Turkey. IIRC ancient Troy was renowned for the high quality of its horses.

And what of the Byerly Turk? Wasn't he supposedly a Turkish military mount captured by an officer from Britain at a battle in Hungary and after further service as a war horse became one of the founding fathers of the thoroughbred breed?

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Karen in Indiana — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:25:24 GMT

Victory Gallop looks marvelous and Sea Hero looks 12 years or more younger than his age. It's good to see that they are so cared for and that their stud career is supported so well.