Arctic Bright: Hollywood or Bust

re: Arctic Bright: Hollywood or Bust

Gallopgirl12 — Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:08:17 GMT

And actually he did have one black marking on him. on his left eye he had a black spot on his eyelid. But you barely notice it unless he is sleeping.

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Gallopgirl12 — Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:06:36 GMT

I'm gonna miss galloping him each morning, he was a good boy.

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Sunny Farm — Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:12:28 GMT

ON Jan 05 2011, I asked my second question of APHA. This is the reply AND THE ANSWER as to why Artic Bright and a VERY few other horses may be duel registered:

Here is the reply from APHA :

"The sires SIRE , AIRDRIE APACHE was registered with the APHA BEFORE the One paint-parent rules were in effect "

AIRDRIE APACHE had Jockey Club papers BUT had enough white markings to qualify for the Regular APHA registry as a crop-out when the one parent rule had NOT been established yet.

Therefore all of his off- spring would qualify for the APHA registry.

APHA went on to say "I would assume because the dam was a reg. Jockey Club mare, the breeders would have used the reg. number of the J.C. on the sire to make Artic Bright eligible.

The current "One Paint-parent rule went into effect Jan 01-2006"

I appreciate the APHA taking the time that they did for me ,and many others who have wondered and been confused. How wonderful to finally know and understand HOW a Paint AND a Thoroughbred may also be made to have a "Duel Registry''.

Now I know why there are VERY few able to be reg. in BOTH breeds.

I had asked this question two years ago but today I received a clear and concise answer & wanted to share this finding with everyone.

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Sunny Farm — Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:52:23 GMT

Jan 04 2011 I received the following reply from the APHA on Artic Bright :

The APHA stated that Artic Bright's SIRE was also Duel Registered. IF the sire was Reg. APHA, then the foal

(Artic Bright ) would qualify for the "One parent rule " and therefore be eligible for the registry as a solid Paint bred with APHA.

SO...this is what I and many other breeders also thought, that at least ONE parent would HAVE to be a reg. APHA. Okay...so then HOW was Artic Bright and a few other Thoroughbreds ALSO be able to be a Reg. Thoroughbred if the Jockey Club states in thier rules, that BOTH parents must be a reg. and dna'd THOROUGHBRED ? I have asked both registries and the J.C. vehemently replys every time that it cannot be done...yet is is done but for very few horses.According to the APhA Artic Bright WAS a reg. Paint due TO his sire.

If you study the rules on both registries, it would appear IMPOSSIBLE, yet the rare duel registry does exsist for a very few Thoroughbreds. Very few breeders have them or understand HOW one would qualify, me and many others have asked this question and so far not received an absolute answer. I just thought I'd share what I was told and will continue to inquire.

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Delrene — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:47:56 GMT

He is so handsome!!! If they remake the Lone Ranger or a Hoppy movie - he will be the star!!!

I'm hoping for a Lone Ranger remake- full length.

Thanks for the great pictures.

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Sunny Farm — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:12:06 GMT

SideKick Flats :

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I haven't been on this site for awhile but see your comment. Yes, a Reg.T.B to a Reg T.B -no matter what color- begets a Reg. T.b. BUT , as I said , then HOW do you ALSO get a reg. APHA. When neither parent has any Paint and is dna'd as a reg. T.B. !

Artic Bright doesn't even have paint markings and is "White" !!! I have not received answers either. That's great that this colt is "Duel Registered"but what is so different about him, few others could do a duel-registry, and in the Paint rules, it would appear that one cannot Reg. in this way.

Even a Breeding Stock Reg. Paint will still need at least one parent to be a reg. APHA.

Reg. Breeding Stock just denotes a APHA who did not color and is a solid color with not enough white markings to be a full papered APHA.

I am still confused and have been involved in the Breeding of both breeds for some years. One would think there would be an answer out there somewhere & I'll keep asking. If anyone does find out , please reply.

HAPPY NEW YEAR 2011 !

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Linda in Texas — Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:21:25 GMT

Thank you Esther and thank you Paul for Arctic Bright's information.

There is just something spell binding about White Horses. Cannot explain it, but they are unusual in a wonderful way.

I love his red accoutrements. And that he will have great roles to play when called upon.

Delightful story. Very nice.

Thanks so much for caring about him and seeing that he is given the chance to contribute. They should all be so lucky.

Good Luck Handsome Guy.

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Dani — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:39:54 GMT

Everytime I see a photo of this horse I am just captivated. He is so stunning and has such a smart eye. No doubt he will make his mark as a movie star. So happy to know that he has a happy place to spend his semi-retirement.

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Jeff G — Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:14:08 GMT

Thanks for the mention of Harbor Mist in the article. I trained him to his three wins as a race horse. Those win photos were a little more special after he became the star of Dreamer.

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sidekickflats — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:29:48 GMT

On the APHA website it states " Of course, it is possible that your horse is solid white. In this case, your horse may be eligible for the Breeding Stock Registry."

That might be the case of all while Artic Bright. He may be registered with the Breeding Stock Registry. But I couldn't find that much info on the requirements of that except that all horses reg. with the APHA had to be registered with the APHA , the AQHA or the Jockey Club to be eligible.

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sidekickflats — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:16:19 GMT

Sunny Farm,

I can't answer for the APHA but obv. Artic Bright's sire and dam were/are Thoroughbreds registered with the Jockey Club. Only Thoroughbreds can be registered with the JC. Whether or not a horse can also qualify to be registered with another organization is not the JC concern. There are some TB dual registered with the APHA and prob. some registered with Sport Horse registries.

If you google dual registered TB, you can get quite a few websites that come up. If the APHA registry can't help you (and I'm not sure why they couldn't), try calling one of the farms that raise dual registered TB and Paints. If you breed a registered TB to a registered TB , you should be able to registered the foal as a TB regardless of color assuming all of the other requirements are met (DNA etc).

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Lise from Maine — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:31:26 GMT

Bonjour Arctic Bright,

What a gorgeous looking guy that you are as you are so unusual in

color.

Go out and make the best film

possible, and I am eager to see

the end results.

I am so happy that someone saw some

value (not monetary either)in you.

Love to you, Arctic Bright!

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Sunny Farm — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:28:57 GMT

Dear Paul ; Thanks for taking the time to post a comment. If you read this blog again , please list the name of the dam and her breed registry. -I am absolutely confused now-when I have called both the APHA & the J.C. , I have been told repeatedly, just what I wrote above on my comments. When registering my foals, they can only be either APHA or J.C. but never both. What makes Artic Blast different ? I have heard from a few others that they also have a "Duel-reg APHA -J.C."

Very few , but I have heard it said. I have had several other people ask me "How can I reg. with both breeds" and I have always told them what I have been told by the breed registries. Somehow, there is a missing link that few of us seem to understand.Was Painting Freedom (The sire ) a J.C. or a APHA ? This bugs me and I will continue to look for the answers. In the mean-time, wishing You and Artic Blast a blast making movies !

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Jane — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:42:37 GMT

Terrific! Thanks!

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EarlySpeed — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:59:12 GMT

Just put him to some chestnut mares, and you will have a bunch of palomino or cremello Thoroughbreds.

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Paul — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:51:50 GMT

Esther:

I just want to thank you for putting this blog together for Arctic. I also want to thank all of these nice folks who have spent their time writing and supporting him. He is adjusting well to the great California weather and we are so happy that he is in such good hands. I will stay out of the double registered discusion just to say that I am looking at his papers as we speak and his Jockey Club registration number is 0709752 and his APHA number is 911,428. Again thanks for taking the time to support Arctic. We will, thru Esther and this blog, keep you up to date as to his training or upcomming engagements. You can also find him on facebook. ARCTIC BRIGHT to see phoyoes etc.

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LouAnn Cingel of Union, Missouri — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:23:13 GMT

Artic Bright is intoxicatingly gorgeous and I hope to see him in some upcoming movies and etc. He is absolutely cut out to be a star! Good luck to him-

My Love & Blessings to him Always!

LouAnn

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CHoffman — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:32:16 GMT

A hard horse to miss during the call.

Glad to see he's being given a chance at another career and stardom. Maybe even a star on the Walk of Fame.

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Deborah — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:56:55 GMT

I loved the information - stories like this are what is needed to make people interested in the horse world in general. Please, more and updates on Artic Bright! I will go to the movies just to see the equine stars.

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Sunny Farm — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:55:26 GMT

I don't mean to drift off topic , but when Life's Magic noted that the APHA is the second largest breed association, I am compelled to make the following statement:

There is a reason the APHA does not struggle like the Jockey Club.& Throughbred breed.

The APHA has programs FOR the beginner as well as the experienced horsemen. The APHA treats everyone with respect & friendship. They offer more diferent types of riding for thier breed, be it English, Western, or just plain trail / pleasure riding. (It is not ALL about showing !!!) In short , it is a real club. I've been a member for over 15 years, & have never had a bad day. I don't feel rejected, or hurt in this welcoming club.There is also APHA Racing and this is growing as well.

Those involved with APHA racing tell me "It's really fun and also affordable''. The Paint still brings a fair price despite the economy, while I cry to see the Thoroughbred is giving thier horses away, there is a reason for this. We MUST do better in the Thoroughbred industry and take an honest look as to why this decline has happened before it is too late.

I've been saying for three years now, that the Thoroughbred needs a REAL CLUB-A club where the members feel wanted and welcomed and there are avenues to invite one to race (And other enjoyable competitions )& to help them get there. Claiming races are NOT a way to get people racing !A real club has a place for ALL , even if your two years old, or ninety-two. Apha recognized this very important fact some years ago and they do well & I remain loyal as a member. Oh,BTW., they don't need drugs to compete and they take a firm stand against this abuse and cheating & if a member abuses the privilages, they are cast out.The Thoroughbred should study the format and mission of the APHA and make improvement.NOW is a great time, all thanks to Team -Z and thier kindness they have shown to everyone, "we" should immediately build upon this momentum and the first words need to BE , "WELCOME" ! The second needs to be, "We want you with us and will help you get into racing''

"We' have a race set up just for you, our honored new-comer."

EVEN if your not wealthly, you are important to us !"

The Thorougbred is one of THE best horses on the earth , it's very sad to see the decline of the breed, and it is due to selfish -greed and the "Special members ONLY attitude", weather it is breeding or racing.

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TripleCrownKaren — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:52:41 GMT

In answer to Ole Rail Bird's observation.....a horse is not considered an ALBINO unless there is Pink skin, white coloration and BLUE eyes. This horse has DARK eyes, therefore he is not technically an Abino. And ANY breed can have what they call a "crop out" with white where it shouldn't be and STILL genetically BE a Thoroughbred or QH. "Odd" colors are evidenced quite a bit in many breeds. Even the "purest" of breeds, the ARABIAN from whence both the TB and the QH are genectically descended, often have individuals with white markings on the body (most common in Chestnut colored individuals) and/or light manes & tails. The heredity/genetics of color is a whole science unto itself. So Yes it IS possible to have a "PUREBRED" TB who is white without being an ALBINO. It is only in recent times that Quarter Horse Registry started to accept "their" crop outs, when a breeder with a VERY expensively bred colt who happened to be born with while above the knees was refused registry even WITH the proof of parentage via DNA testing. The breeder sued the Registry, hence their guidelines changed. Mother nature will due just what she wants....doesn't matter how WE think it should go.

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Life's Magic — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:56:39 GMT

Herminio and LoupGarouTFTs - You are confusing Paints with "Pintos." It is the Pinto horse that is configured strictly by coat color and can occur virtually in any breed. Spotted Oldenburgs, Clydesdales, Saddle Horses, or other spotted breeds are Pintos, NOT Paints. There is also a Pinto registration where these spotted horses of any breed can be registered based strictly on coat color. A Paint (eligible for registration by the American Paint Horse Association) is a specific breed based upon genetic breed characteristics and conformation type in addition to several spotted patterns. The APHA is the 2nd largest breed assocaition in the US - 2nd only to the AQHA. To be eligible for APHA registry, a horse's sire and dam must be registered Paint Horses, registered Quarter Horses with the AQHA, or registered Thoroughbreds with The Jockey Club. At least one parent must be a registered American Paint Horse. A spotted Thoroughbred is eligible for Paint Horse Registry.

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Sunny Farm — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:09:44 GMT

Monika ; Painted Desert Farm has some beautiful horses don't they !

I think they have some "White' Thoroughbreds and also some Sabinos. Anyway, they are colorful and have nice conformation, thanks for placing thier link so others can see them !

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Sunny Farm — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:08:40 GMT

One cannot just "Join' & register as a Paint with the Paint assoc just because they have a horse of color or pattern. This is true , however with the Pinto horse Assoc.

To be registered in the APHA at least one parent must be a reg. Paint. The only other exceptions for registries allowed to participate in th APHA , are the AQHA & the Jockey Club. Your Reg. Paint would have to have come from a mating from a AQHA or J.C. and a Reg. Paint, and / or be from both parents that are registered Paints.

A Thoroughbred can be color patterned and be Registered if his DNA matches Thoroughbred to Thoroughbred. So, the only way you can get a APHA- T.B would be via the Paint registry. I have never heard of a "Double Registered Thoroughbred'' , or a "Double Registered Paint "

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sidekickflats — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:45:23 GMT

Actually, the American Paint Horse assoc. only accepts horses from Paint, American Quarter Horse or Thoroughbred bloodlines.

Pintos, on the other hand, can be many breeds from miniature horses, Saddlebreds, warmbloods etc.

The Pinto website states that any horse of acceptable breeds ( I assume there is a complete list) that has 3 or 4 inches of white in the specified area (on the body) with pink skin qualifies as a pinto. They do accept certain horses that don't meet the criteria if other conditions are met.

There was a tri colored Thoroughbred that was dual registered with the Jockey Club and Paint Horse Assoc. about 10 or so years ago. I want to say his name was Trichrome but that may be wrong. I know a white mare was imported from Australia about 8 or 9 years ago and I think went to a farm in the east somewhere.