We Can Dream, Can't We?

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pleasant ben — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:44:38 GMT

R/A won HOTY and was deserving. Maybe should have been retired after that. All you Z fans who are slighted to bad. Z wasnt good enough 2 years in a row to win it. This may be her year. I dont think she can win the Classic this year. It may just be a horse from across the pond who beats her as well. Its funny that people who live in cali think she Z is the best ever. Yeah right.

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Aleine in VA — Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:58:39 GMT

OMG!!! 3 outstanding horses at Colonial Downs on Saturday: Paddy O'Prado, Krypton and Interactif!

If they don't appear in the BC turf race then someone is asleep at the wheel. Bring on the VA Bred Quality Road for the BC classic!

(Then please retire Quality Road to stud before he breaks something important like a leg God forbid).

re: We Can Dream, Can't We?

Shadow — Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:49:43 GMT

"I put my Zenyatta Bobblehead on the shelf next to my Rachael Alexandra Figurine. The next time I came back Zenyatta was 5 lengths in front of Rachael. No sense fighting it, I left them that way."

I about fell out of my chair laughing at this quote..good one Joe!

Ok, here we go.

Zenyatta: anyone who hates on the Queen is a fool plain and simple. You cannot say that this horse or that horse will beat her easily..because she's undefeated..If you think you can beat her..run against her..and then we'll see.

Rachel- Great, Great filly..blistering speed..ran an unbelievable 3yo campaign..deserved HOTY..emptied the tanks and has yet to return to form.. That said I feel the Queen would have beaten her in multiple races last year if given the opportunity, but since she wasn't..we won't know.

Goldi-may very well be the best horse racing right now...but we won't know that for sure unless she goes against the best. We don't know how she runs on dirt and we don't know how Zen, Rach, QR, et al would run on grass.. Toss them in the ring together and let em duke it out.

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LAZMANNICK — Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:36:07 GMT

true race fan

Be Fair is also still trying to find the finish line in the Apple Blossom.....the race that Zenyatta won and the race in which Rachel decided to opt out of rather than face her.

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Tim G — Fri, 02 Jul 2010 14:52:20 GMT

true race fan, you think Dray bashes Rachel and supports Zenyatta?

I think you should go back and re-read his posts.

You're other facts are skewed as well. Mike was NOT whipping Zenyatta 'all the way'.

I was at the Kentucky Oaks and as much as it pains me to say it Rachel was running against fillies that were not really graded horses. Where are the horses who finished behind her? Be Fair is running in an ungraded stakes tonight and the rest????

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true race fan — Fri, 02 Jul 2010 05:01:44 GMT

Draynay and TJLuvsTizs get over Z not winning horse of the year. If you want to "bash horses" get your facts straight. Rachel Alexandra ran the last furlong in 12.88 and Calvin stood up several lenghts before the finish line gearing her down, posting a BSF of 109 on a day when the heat index was over a hundered. Oh and if you saw the race, she was hand ridden - no whip. Z did run the last furlong in 11.60 but look at the race again, MS was using his whip all the way - BSF 103. Rachel can go 1 1/4....she was in a race you may not be fimilar with it's called the Preakness and it is 1 3/16. Did I mention that she had run another race 15 days prior to that...the Kentucky Oaks and in both races she posted a BSF of 108..............has Z ever ran back to back races 15 days apart and posted those types of speed? Bottom line is Z never did what Rachel did as a 3 year old. Quit being a poor sports and enjoy all the great horses that are currently running.

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CARL — Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:09:29 GMT

Weight assignments for the BC Classic:

Quality Road: 127lbs

Rachel Alexandra: 125lbs

Zenyatta: 124lbs

Goldikova 123lbs

Mine That Bird: 123lbs

Lookin At Lucky 122lbs

Drosselmeyer 122lbs

Devil May Care 119LBS

Stay tuned for "my Order of Finish"

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DinkyDiva — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:53:32 GMT

Joe Schmoe: too funny!! Thanks, I needed that laugh.

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DinkyDiva — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:52:49 GMT

Kay...

Wasn't the Oaklawn situation rectified? They agreed to another season for Oaklawn. Now, I am confused and what dressage type of surface are you talking about?? Please enlighten me on this subject.

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Greg J. — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:22:47 GMT

Joe schmoe,

Funny stuff!, Classic line...

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LAZMANNICK — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:55:38 GMT

anna

I hear there's a seminar on the value of capitals in sentence structure sometime this weekend. I'll sign you up if you want.

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Kay — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:06:12 GMT

robinm:

"The Moss's have more sense than to claim Zenyatta is the greatest in history. The Zenyatta Zealots? Not no much."

A little confused, because above, you said this:

"Kay, no one is disparaging Pepper's Pride because her connections are not claiming that their horse is the best in history just because she retired with 19 wins and undefeated."

All I can infer from your statement is that the Mosses claimed Zenyatta was the best in history. So what did you mean, then? As for the zealots, you must be including people like Angel Cordero and other horsemen who have said she's the best they've ever seen. It's not just fans, doll.

jow schmoe:

Well, that's one of the funniest things I've read all day. Thanks!

In other news, Frank Stronach threw a giant tantrum at the CHRB meeting today, nattering vaguely about the free market (which obviously just means HIM). He relented on Oak Tree being at Santa Anita this year but then it's over. And then he said he's going to change the surface at some point to some dressage surface they use over in Europe. Yes, a surface that hasn't even been RACED over.

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jayjay — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:22:24 GMT

That's true robinm, they know she is but didn't want to rub it in to JJ since they didn't have to spend millions to buy her record lol.

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robinm — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 01:24:09 GMT

The Moss's have more sense than to claim Zenyatta is the greatest in history. The Zenyatta Zealots? Not no much.

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Billy's Empire — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:51:46 GMT

winslow racing this weekend. SWEET

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sodapopkid — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:00:25 GMT

They sure know more than the doubting Thomases, so to speak, like DRaynay..........Its seems it's right there in black and white and easy to read..............What do you have to say now, Dray and doubters........Someone else sure has more confidence in the 'poly specialist' than dray does.......

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joe schmoe — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:54:10 GMT

sodapopkid,

I put my Zenyatta Bobblehead on the shelf next to my Rachael Alexandra Figurine. The next time I came back Zenyatta was 5 lengths in front of Rachael. No sense fighting it, I left them that way.

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jayjay — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:45:30 GMT

I figured it was Las Vegas. I've never bet the vegas odds, do you get locked in to the odds at the time you bet ? If so, I might take a short trip just to place bets lol.

I don't get why Zenyatta is 4-1, she's a poly specialist and according to Draynay will not even be in Churchill. The gambling pros must know something we don't. ;)

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anna — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:37:47 GMT

well the sprinters and turf milers go else where even some dirt and derby also runs go out of the country like coin silver. he was a peachtree stables dirt runner and ran in the 2005 derby but entered stud in ireland. oh and you can add line of david to the so far short list of retired 3yr olds this yr after eskenderaya.

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Secretariat — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:59:31 GMT

jayjay and Billy's Empire,

2010 Breeders Cup Classic Odds (Brisnet):

www.brisnet.com/.../Index

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Billy's Empire — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:48:10 GMT

Secretariat, Where did those odds come from? Why are retired horses given odd's for a race that is 4 plus months away? Must be an old list.

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jayjay — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 04:25:48 GMT

Secretariat : How old is that list and where was it from ?

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Secretariat — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:08:44 GMT

Note:

They have taken Summer Bird off the board for future wagering of the 2010 Breeders Cup Classic but have not updated their website.

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DANYLSON — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:12:40 GMT

QUALITY ROAD.....WERE DO I START...REMINDS ME OF A HORSE WHO THEY SAID COULDN'T GET 1 1/4MILE BEFORE THE 1989 DERBY OR PREAKNESS OR FOR THAT SAKE THE BELMONT DISTANCE AND THAT HE COULDN'T WIN ON WET SURFACES....SHOULD I NAME THAT HORSE...HIS NAME WAS "EASY GOER"....OH AND YES HE WON AT 1 1/4MILE AND THE BELMONT DISTANCE AND HE ALSO WON ON WET SURFACES AND HE BEAT THE BEST....NOW DON'T START BASHING ME BECAUSE I NEVER SAID QUALITY ROAD WAS EASY GOER, BUT HE MAY COME CLOSE AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE...VERY IMPORTANT..AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE. THIS HORSE WAS BARELY BREATHING AFTER THE DONN,YOU HAD TO BE THEIR TO EXPERIENCE QUALITY ROAD, THAT RACE COULD HAVE BEEN 2MILES AND TRUST ME HE WOULD HAVE WON BY 25 LENGHTS, HE COULD HAVE GONE FASTER IN THE MET MILE IF THAT IS HARD TO BELIEVE?? AND ONE MORE THING...PLEASE ANALYZE THE TWO RACES ON SLOP THAT HE RAN, FIRST THE TRAVERS, FOR THE FIRST TIME HE WAS BEHIND HORSES, ON THE INSIDE TRAVELING WELL AND IN THAT RACE HE HAD TO SLOW DOWN WHEN HE FIRST MADE HIS MOVED WHICH WAS LATTER THAN I THINK HIS JOCKEY WOULD HAVE WANTED TOO, SAME THING IN THE JOCKEY CLUB GOLD CUP, VELASQUEZ WAS UNDECISIVE IN BOTH RIDES AND HE WAS NOT UP IN THE PACE PLUS HE WAS A NAIVE HORSE TOO, SO HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I THINK THE DISTANCE NOR THE SURFACE WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR THIS HORSE IN THE LONG RUN AND WE WILL ALL WAIT AND SEE, AND DONT SAY I DIDNT TELL YOU!AND YES, THIS IS THE ONLY HORSE WHO CAN BEAT ZENYATTA, HE HAS POWERFUL STRIDES TO MATCH ZENYATTA.

re: We Can Dream, Can't We?

Secretariat — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:45:58 GMT

2010 Breeders Cup Classic Odds:

ZENYATTA 4/1

QUALITY ROAD 5/1

SUMMER BIRD 7/1

GIO PONTI 12/1

LOOKIN AT LUCKY 12/1

BATTLE PLAN 15/1

MISREMEMBERED 15/1

BLAME 20/1

DROSSELMEYER 20/1

RACHEL ALEXANDRA 20/1

MINE THAT BIRD 25/1

TWICE OVER 28/1

BUDDY'S SAINT 30/1

FIRST DUDE 30/1

FLY DOWN 30/1

GITANO HERNANDO 30/1

ICE BOX 30/1

SUPER SAVER 30/1

ARSON SQUAD 35/1

BLIND LUCK 40/1

FAME AND GLORY 40/1

RICHARD'S KID 40/1

SETSUKO 40/1

RAIL TRIP 45/1

ST. NICHOLAS ABBEY 45/1

DUBLIN 50/1

DUKE OF MISCHIEF 50/1

ESPOIR CITY 50/1

FLYING PRIVATE 50/1

REGAL RANSOM 50/1

SIDNEY'S CANDY 50/1

GENERAL QUARTERS 60/1

NOBLE'S PROMISE 60/1