Who Will be the 2011 Handicap Stars?

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Dr Drunkinbum — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:26:35 GMT

Householder

Very nice information. Wow. It's going to be very interesting to see if he can climb the ladder. And you say he is tall? Makes sense. SA and GP are both going to be great meets with big fields for the most part. The SA Derby will be booked solid I imagine. They'll get more Eastern shippers than usual with dirt and increased purse. Maryland's problems could increase fields elsewhere. It feels more exciting than usual this year with all of the talent out there, and SA's return to dirt with a brand new dirt surface. I wonder what other track the surface resembles?

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Householder — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:29:12 GMT

Dr Drunkinbum. Someone plunked down 1.15 million for the Unbridled's Song out of a Storm Cat mare so they may be thinking Strub series (or going longer) for Alcindor. He's getting kind of a late start with just 2 races in at 3. Nothing but bullets prior to his maiden win in 109.45 and then he demolishes an Allowance NW1 by 7 lengths in 1:21.67 for 7 furlongs. He's huge and looks to be able to rate a little off the pace.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:35 GMT

Householder

I think I'll put Alcindor on my HTW list. Thanks. I remember reading a Sport magazine article in the 60's about Lew Alcindor when he was still in High School and they were saying he may turn out to be one of the greatest of all time. There are two horses that have been named Sky Hook. Maybe the greatest shot in basketball history. Unstoppable.

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Householder — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:26:45 GMT

Baffert has another sprinting "beast" on his hands. Alcindor. Look for him in the Malibu Stakes opening day at Santa Anita ON DIRT!

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Householder — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:18:03 GMT

Cost of Freedom shows no sign of giving up.

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draynot — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:33:39 GMT

who will be the handicapping stars? One thing for sure on the human side, draynay will be at the bottom of that list. The guy can't handicap his way out of hcp101.

As for the horses there doesn't appear much to look forward to in the older divisions but given time a horse or two or three will emerge.

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Savanna — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 02:29:00 GMT

I really think Haynesfield and Fly down have it going for them next year. Drosselmeyer too might have it good. Mabye she Be Wild if her injury heals up. Same thing for Rail Trip if he overcomes injury!

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jayjay — Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:18:41 GMT

Thoughts and prayers to Gracia, hopefully he recovers well. RIP Ryan and Jack.

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Mike Relva — Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:44:07 GMT

RANAGULZION

Must be nice to have so much knowledge. Maybe you are related to DRAYNAY.

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Trebloc — Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:48:33 GMT

Keelerman,

I thought Brethren's win today was very professional. It would be great to have a mare produce two KY Derby winners, let alone in back to back years. Now he has to get some graded earnings.

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Coldfacts — Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:48:32 GMT

Ranagulzion,

I merely questioned the validity of your point that a colt that has won two 8.5F races on two different surfaces is incapable of beating a colt that had only gone a 8F. J B’s Thunder was starting on his third different surface and by far the fastest surface he encountered. He did not perform but I would not write him off. Uncle Mo had a very impressive victory and deserve his early 2011 Derby favoritism. Below are the winners BCJ contested at Churchill Downs and the Derby results for the winners:

1988 – Is It true 1:46.60 (1&1/4L) (Track Muddy) Did not figure In Derby

1991 – Azeri 1:44.78 (5L) (Track Fast) Did Not figure In Derby Did not figure In Derby

1994 – Timber Country 1:44.55 (2L) (Track Fast) 3rd Derby

1998 - Answer Lively 1:44.00 (Head) (Track Fast) Did not figure In Derby

2000 - Macho Uno 1:42.05 (Nose) (Track Fast) Did not figure In Derby

2006 – Street Sense 1:42.59 (10L) (Track Fast) 1St Derby

2010 - Uncle Mo 1:42.60 (Pending)

The BCJ/Derby double has only been achieved once. It was done by a colt whose pedigree has a love affair with Churchill Downs. Street Sense destroyed the 2006 field. However, the field did not include Curlin, Hard Spun or Any Given Saturday. Those colts would prove very competitive against him. You will note Curlin and Given Saturday were from the Raise A Native sire line; Hard Spun from the Northern Dancer sire line. These lines dominate the TC series of races. The pedigrees of one two finishers in the 2010 BCJ are MIA in the derby.

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mike rullo — Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:36:53 GMT

jason

you cost both of us some money on to honor and serve.

he ran a 102 beyer with his B game,watch out when rates a little better.

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Pedigree Shelly — Sun, 28 Nov 2010 05:44:25 GMT

After watching The Remsen Stakes at Aqueduct , To Honor And Serve is the best two year old behind Uncle Mo ! THAS also proved he can run nine furlongs with no problem ! I can't wait till next year for The weeding out of Derby Hopefuls . I hope they all stay safe and sound !

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-Keelerman — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 23:01:36 GMT

To all fans of Brethren;

Brethren won his second race today, a one mile allowance race at Churchill Downs. Sent off as the favorite, he came from just off the pace to score by 1 3/4 lengths, stopping the timer in 1:36.78. Although it wasn't an extraordinary performance, he was forced to go five wide and wasn't really in any danger of losing.

On a side note, Successful Dan looks like a really good horse. Even though he didn't "win" the Clark, he should be a force next year.

-Keelerman

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Jason Shandler — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:11:05 GMT

Gunbow: I wound up playing Giant Oak to win and in an exacta with Redding Colliery. I also had the late pick 3. Did not have the tri, but youre right, I should have. I'm not complaining though. I was lucky as it was.

Im going with Bribon today in Cigar Mile. Good luck all.

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Savanna — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:11:06 GMT

Sad to see Afleet Express go. I wonder how my favorite filly She Be Wild is doing?

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Slew — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:31:34 GMT

DR D: Big shiny spurs, and my date will be Jose Cuervo.

Clark Handicap was a bumper car edition...lots of wild rides. Hope the Cigar runs a bit smoother.

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sodapopkid — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 11:50:48 GMT

Dr. D, You are to much. I'm sorry, but I just cant eat the turkey that had been sitting on the counter since a few weeks ago and the biscuits that you made a week ago, and now you say you have an ancient fruitcake you want to open, thanks for the invite but I'll pass on this one..lol...

Dr. D, I laughed when I first read your post. It was hilarious. But hey, thats what the good doctor, Dr. D is known for.... Keep up the great laughs.. I love reading them, I will be looking forward to your Christmas dinner post. I can only imagine that one...lol..

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GunBow — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:18:02 GMT

Jason:

Did you go ahead and throw Redding Colliery, Successful Dan, and Giant Oak in trifecta boxes? You had all 3 in your top 4 on THS.

How about Giant Oak getting a gr.1? It's almost destiny that he got it by dq; the big guy is not known for his ability to win close races. Maybe there is hope for First Dude.

I thought Successful Dan ran a superb race. He was rank for most of the race, yet still was able to put together a strong stretch run. He showed great heart and professionalism to move between horses in the stretch and then hold off Giant Oak the final sixteenth after that horse had come up to his neck. Successful Dan looked alot like Blame, running grimly on the inside to hold off a late challenge. Successful Dan is a horse that likes to win, and while he officially is not the Clark winner, he was best. Finally as it concerns Successful Dan, he is versatile, having proven himself to be equally good on synthetic and dirt; all handicap races should be a possibility for him.

Giant Oak got his gr.1, but Wasted Tears couldn't quite do it in the Matriarch. After appearing as if she was about to stop and finish out of the money at the top of the stretch, Wasted Tears kicked on again, her great heart pushing her late to get 2nd. But she simply wasn't a match for the impressive Gypsy's Warning, a Graham Motion shipper who was cutting back in distance from a 3rd in a 10 furlong gr.1 at Hollywood. Hopefully, Team Valor keeps Gypsy's Warning in training as a 6 year old.

Special Duty, the Matriarch favorite, did not look particularly good in the paddock, and ran flat; for a 3-time Euro gr.1 winner, Special Duty has to be better than what she showed in the Matriarch.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 07:19:47 GMT

jayjay

Yeah, it's still good. I'll mark you down for the ice cream and shrimp. That should make a nice cocktail. You still got those cherries in the back of the cupboard to put on top? I think I saw them there when I came over for the 94 Superbowl.

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Pedigree Shelly — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:11:44 GMT

I am a huge Bernardini Fan !! I am so proud of him as a first crop sire ! Imagine having a stallion that has a Group 1 winner and a Grade I winner in his first crop of foals !With Pulpit and Bernardini , The AP Indy line looks to be the stamina and classic source for generations to come ! Just look at the first three finishers of The Breeders Cup Marathon !!!

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jayjay — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:24:45 GMT

Ranagulzion : We do get in a heated argument and I think it shows how much we love the horses we like but it's never personal, we really don't know enough about each other to be personal. I enjoyed our Zenyatta/Quality Road "debates" specially because Zenyatta beat QR HAHA! Hope you had a nice thanksgiving day, they should change the name of this holiday to "gorge yourself with food" day.

Dr D : I got a grab bag of sundried shrimp to make cocktails. I'm also bringing some re-frozen ice cream (left in the trunk for a day but should still be good)

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GQFAN — Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:21:26 GMT

I'm a huge fan of both General Quarters and Unrivaled Belle. I know that GQ will be back better than ever next year, and hope he makes it to the BCC and wins it in 2011. And for all you doubters out there, I knew UB would win the Ladies Classic. Like most of you, I was hoping Zenyatta would win the classic and race in 2011(Dubai World Cup). It was also great hearing about Larry Jones coming out of retirement,i'll be watching his horses and hoping he wins the KD in 2011.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Fri, 26 Nov 2010 19:22:22 GMT

sodapopkid

I was wondering why you didn't show up. I bought soda pop just for you. Orange Crush, Nehi Grape, and Tab. Come on over for Christmas. I had enough turkey left over so that I don't have to cook again. It's a little dry so I'll just soak it in water til Christmas. Plus I have some fruitcake from 1963 that I still haven't eaten that we can pop open for the occasion. Jayjay's coming over with a grab bag that will include his $19 Zenyatta bet stub. Slew has promised to come over in a cowboy outfit with her spurs on, and her bullwhip. The punch will be spiked mightily. See ya then !!!!

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Slew — Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:04:21 GMT

DR D: Paramedics are standing by with stomach pumps. As for football, $%^&#$%...three lousy points. I had to endure a late night call from my daughter who poured more salt in the wound. The 'Boys almost got it. Roy Williams needed more crazy glue on the ball. Almost..almost...

And the Ky Racing Commission probably can't hurt Johnny V as much as Go Go Shoot did. That was a terrifying spill, and I wish jockey and horse well. Both seemed ok, but no word since the mishap.