Champion 3YO Male No Easy Call

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Coldfacts — Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:38:01 GMT

THS will emerge as the top older horse from the class of 2011. AK, Stay Thirsty, Shackleford, Caleb Posse etc., will be their hands full.

Another 8F or 9F race before the BCC and he would have made the board. A Time of 1:33.89 21 days are a hard 10F races against the best older horses in the US is no joke.

Only the awesome/special ones are capable of such feats..

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Ranagulzion — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:35:22 GMT

Coldfacts & Carlos,

To Honor and Serve only just had a breakthrough into the Grade One winners club in the Cigar Mile. Uncle Mo has been there since his juvenile season. Also UM has run the highest Beyer speed figures of his crop in both his 2YO and 3YO seasons. At their best so far UM has been the superior colt without doubt. The plain facts are apparently too hot to handle for Coldfacts.

I'll definitely be watching THAS next year but indication are that he'll be good but not awesome/special.

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Carlos in Cali — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:37:41 GMT

Ranagulzion

I don't normally agree with Coldfacts and some of his 'claims',but.. To Honor and Serve was most certainly superior to UM this year.If your wonder horse UM weren't abruptly retired,he'd be playing 2nd fiddle to the classy Bernardini colt that is To Honor and Serve.Just watch and enjoy his awesome campaign next year,he's the real deal unlike...

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Coldfacts — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:20:28 GMT

Who,

I have taken the liberty of using a capital letter in your posting title. I hope it meets with your approval. I had major difficulties understanding your post. It appears English is not your primary language.

Gemologist recorded a very slow time in the KJCS. If he does not improve significantly he will not have a chance of being competitive against the top colts. There are some broodmare sires that have very poor records in the Triple Crown races. Mr. Protestor happens to be one of them. Gemologist second dam was sired by Northern Dancer whose broodmare line is the most successful in TC history. Gemologist is therefore not without hope.

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Coldfacts — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:49:28 GMT

Ranagulzion,

You mow realized why I refer to your new found colleague as a Klown. He certainly makes you LOL.

I respectfully ask that you acknowledge the fact that I have repeatedly given Uncle Mo the credit he deserves. What I have dismissed is the hype associated with this colt. If you and your new found colleague are incapable of distinguishing between the two, I cannot be held responsible for this deficiency.

“He dismisses the credentials of Uncle Mo yet refers to, good and promising but thus far inferior, To Honor and Serve as "ultra classy”

To Honor and Serve is inferior. A colt that records a time of 1:09.52 for the first 6F of the Gl Cigar Mile while his rider motionless is inferior. Interesting! The superior Uncle Mo and THS met once and that was in the BCC. THS finished ahead of his superior batch mate. Did you forget? My bad! Uncle Mo was not fully recovered from his 118 Beyer in his previous race.

THS is the only 3YO colt that has won three 9F races on dirt. His victory in the PA derby in a time of 1:47.34 represents the fastest for the distance by any 3YO in 2011. His victory in the Allowance that preceded the PA Derby was the second fastest for the distance. His time in the G1 Cigar Mile (1.33.89) compares favorably with the 1:33.82 recorded by Uncle Mo in the Gll Kelso. It is faster than the 1:34.51 recorded by Uncle Mo in the Champagne. He was beaten 31/2L by the best older horses in the biggest race in the US and returns 21Days later to destroy a G1 field and he is classified as inferior.

Uncle did not win a G1 race as a 3YO and he is the classiest. THS is now a candidate for the eclipse award for champion 3YO.

Your continued exchanges with the Klown are adversely affecting you. Your statement above suggests you have been transformed into a joker.

NB: War Pass 113 Beyer remains the best for a 2YO in the BCJ.

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Ranagulzion — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 01:53:42 GMT

KY VET,

You're funny (LOL).

I wouldn't call my good friend Coldfacts a liar ...no sir ...but he does embroider the facts sometimes to suit his conclusion. He dismisses the credentials of Uncle Mo yet refers to, good and promising but thus far inferior, To Honour and Serve as "ultra classy" ...beats me.

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NASCAR PRO — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:20:48 GMT

Coldfacts gemologist is undefeated,which to all you that think, no that know, they can pick winners by only using history as a guide,means he dont like to lose.All you that think that PPs and times are the only thing that helps separate winners from losers,I got facts you cant even comprehend because you never were able to complete one lap around the track without fainting.Intangibles separate winners from losers in EVERY sport.

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GunBow — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:06:23 GMT

Householder:

Yes, some upsetting scenes from Hollywood Park this holiday weekend.

Galex breaks down and is euthanized in the Hollywood Prevue, Up in Time dumps Garcia coming into the stretch of the Matriarch, Waltzing with Blue breaks down in the 4th(turf race) on Saturday and is euthanized, Irrefutable suffers a heart attack after running 2nd in the Underwood and dies right in front of the grandstand, Bob Black Jack is pulled up after the wire of the Citation and vanned off with career ending injuries, Senor Rain bolts on the first turn of the Generous and is pulled up(but no injury), Surrey Star is eased under the wire of the Hollywood Derby and later vanned off, and Cloud Man breaks down going into the far turn of the Hollywood Derby and later euthanized.

All of it definitely took away from strong wins by Pacific Ocean and Jeranimo and the good story that is Ultimate Eagle(Jeranimo's stablemate).

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GunBow — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:57:07 GMT

who:

No arguments from me that Sanagas was much the best in the Hollywood Turf Cup. The ride by Maragh just added a little insurance.

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Householder — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:24:12 GMT

Looks like Baffert has some promising two year olds in the barn. So Brilliant a $300,000. Medaglia d' Oro colt.

Lots of horses getting hurt at Hollywood Park.

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KY VET — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:55:38 GMT

COLDCUTS.......Ranag is right! You somehow cannot see the real facts! How can you type with that STRAIGHT JACKET ON?..UNCLE MO IS THE 2YR OLD CHAMPION! He ran faster as a 2 yr old than SHACKLEFORD ever has run! 108!!One of the best EVER as a 2yr old! And he ran a 106 beyer off layoff, then a unreal 118 beyer!!!!!! The beyer figures take track condition into consideration......And YOU cant even see how someone can call him the fastest? YOU are a liar! Nobody is THAT STUPID! You are touting a horse that had 1 beyer over 100 for 3yrold of the year???? ONE? untill his last race...100 beyers are alw horses! AND YOU TELL SOMEONE TO PICK A DIFF> DERBY HORSE BECAUSE HE RAN SLOW? NEWS FLASH......how fast was ANIMAL KINGDOM THIS TIME LAST YEAR? You really shouldnt give any advice about ANYTHING!!!!

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2:24 — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:34:38 GMT

Tiz Herself - Gemologist received a Beyer Speed Figure of 85.

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Coldfacts — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:16:19 GMT

Tiz Herself,

I am sorry to advise that no MR. Prospector broodmare has ever been associated with the winner of a Triple Crown race. Subject to correction no winner of the Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes that recorded a time of 1:44 plus has ever gone on to win a Triple Crown race. Super Saver recorded a time of 1:42.83 in the 2009 Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes. It was the second fastest for the stakes. He went on to record an undeserving victory in the Derby. Gemologist time of 1:44.83 on a track listed as fast is pedestrian and does not signal that he has the speed to win the derby. I strongly recommend that you look elsewhere for a Derby winner

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Coldfacts — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:01:54 GMT

Ranagulzion,

Caleb's Posse has beaten the fastest and classiest 3YOs this season: Uncle Mo"

I see you still cannot shake the bout of insanity Uncle Mo has cast on you.

Uncle Mo: 5 Starts (2-1-1-0) Like Caleb Posse Did not win a Derby prep race.

The Factor won two Derby preps i.e., San Vincente ; 1.20.34; Rebel (Second fastest time in 55 years) 1:42.19 (fastest time in the last 24 years and second overall) THS Allowance

THS Allowance 1:48.31; PA Derby 1:47.34; (Stakes Record); Cigar Mile 1.33.89, Got 31/2L beat in the BCC.

Let me, see Uncle Mo is the fastest and classiest 3YO. How can you justify such a claim? I respectfully request that you stop it as the Cold Facts do not support you claim.

“Also he beat the durable and consistent Shackleford by the proverbial city block in the BC Dirt Mile. In the Breeder's Cup, Shackleford was back to his best”

I gather Shackleford was not at his best when he defeated Caleb Posse in the Indiana Derby. The share finishes ahead of each other. That’s called a Break Even.

CALEB POSEE could win the eclipse award for champion sprinter. Two of his five wins were in sprint races. One was in an ungraded race. Defeating top class horse when they are returning from injury/sickness and avoiding them when they strip fitter is the play is certainly not the book of a champion.

Are you more excited to see the 2012 campaign of sprinter/miler Caleb Posse or the ultra classy To Honor and Serve?

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NASCAR PRO — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:16:03 GMT

Gun Bow Passero apparently got off,shows you what a good lawyer thats well paid can do

Passero, a 62-year-old Canadian, won a North American-record 14 straight races at Gulfstream Park and then was accused of having stable personnel apply a substance found in cayenne pepper to his horses. On Sept. 13, all charges against Passero were dropped after a Florida administrative hearing officer ruled the confession inadmissible.

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NASCAR PRO — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:03:55 GMT

Gun Bow I stand corrected it was Valhols jockey not Kimberlite Pipe's that was accused of using the electrical device TO BEAT KIMBERLITE PIPE in the 1999 Arkansas Derby.

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NASCAR PRO — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:44:28 GMT

Gun Bow I dont think that whatever path Gomez took that day even if he used an electrical shocking device like that that was used on Kimberlite Pipe by his jockey, in the Arkansas Derby years ago, or if his trainer put Cayenne pepper on his genitals like Frank Passero used before he was banned from racing or even used snake oil on him like Patrick Bianconne used before getting suspended would have helped Bourbon Bay beat Sanagas that day.

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Tiz Herself — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:32:39 GMT

It is official - I am absolutely taken with Gemologist. As long as he stays sound, I can't wait to follow him through the spring and maybe to the Derby... yes he has to catch up with Union Rags, Hansen, etc., but I like him already, have for the last month when I was looking through WinStar's roster and liked the name, but saw his workouts and his first two races. He appears to like Churchill. Tiznow - Crystal Shard, by Mr. Prospector. Pedigree will shouldn't be an issue for him. Anyone know what his speed fig was?

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Ranagulzion — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:57:31 GMT

Caleb's Posse has beaten the fastest and classiest 3YOs this season: Uncle Mo, The Factor and To Honour and Serve. Also he beat the durable and consistent Shackleford by the proverbial city block in the BC Dirt Mile. In the Breeder's Cup, Shackleford was back to his best, at his optimum distance, ran his usual gutsy race but was blown away by the scorching stretch run of Caleb's Posse in the final furlong. Vote for quality (not quantity): two Grade One victories gainst the best, vote Caleb's Posse for champion 3YO colt 2011.

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Smoking Baby — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:46:19 GMT

Coldfacts. Cold Facts. How cool is that? Hey, Yes It's True is a nice hard knocking sire. Cold Facts may not make the Triple Crown trail but he may well turn out to be a nice horse. Two thirds so far is nothing to sneeze at. I'll have to keep an eye on him. Thanks for the info.

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Coldfacts — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:15:34 GMT

CALEB POSEE: Top 3YOs he has beaten:

Factor, Wilburn & Shackleford - Breeder Cup Mile

Uncle Mo - Kings Bishop

To Honor and Server - Amsterdam

SHACKLEFORD: Top 3YOs he has beaten

Factor & Wilburn - Breeder Cup Mile

Caleb Posse: Indiana Derby

Animal Kingdom & - Preakness & Belmont

Dialed In & Midnight Interlude - Kentucky Derby & Preakness

Mucho Macho Man - Preakness

Stay Thirsty - Kentucky Derby & Florida Derby

Soldat & To Honor and Serve - Florida Derby

Ruler On Ice - Haskell

Coil - Traverse

This eclipse award will not be decided on number of wins but instead ‘Body Of Work” The above reflect the body of work of the overwhelming favorite CALEB POSEE and that of my choice THE SHACK ATTACK. There is truth to the adage that if you show your company it will tell who you are. Shackleford kept better company. In fact he kept Championship Company all through 2011. The COLD FACTS never lie. Vote Shackleford!

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Paula Higgins — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 07:49:57 GMT

You know, the more I read the stats on the horses mentioned above. The more I think Rapid Redux deserves to be nominated. It comes down to three for me: Caleb's Posse, Animal Kingdom and yes, Rapid Redux. Winning 20 straight at any level is otherworldly. He should be considered. Not one of the other horses has had a "slam dunk" year in my opinion. If they had, at Grade I level racing, I could see not including Rapid Redux. But not one horse did.

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Coldfacts — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 02:15:17 GMT

Smoking Baby,

There is colt from the 2009 crop who is now a member of the 2YO colony with name Cold Facts. I am tempted to think the colt’s name was influenced by my posting title. How facetious can one be?

Cold Facts: Yes Its True - Hot Expectations by Tabasco Cat

Record: 2 Starts: M - 0 - 2, $10,870

Details: 6F MSW Churchill Downs 3rd in 1:10.99

5F MSW Churchill Downs 3rd in 59.44

His pedigree is by no means fashionable. His sire is a million dollar earner who won the Gl 6F Frank J. DeFrancis Memorial Dash. Yes Its True can hardly be considered a classic wining sire. His dam

Hot Expectations was lightly race which is good and she was sired by Tabasco Cat who sired the dam of the 2010 Florida Derby winner and Kentucky Derby runner up Ice Box. He has ability but I doubt he will be a player in the TC series of races, But you never know!

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pepper — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:46:18 GMT

I am for shackleford. What a heart this horse has! 2 wins one a Triple crown race 4 x placed in graded stakes and he showed up for everything

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Smoking Baby — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:44:32 GMT

Coldfacts. As usual, you make good, well thought out points. Who do you like in the Clark and the Cigar Mile? By the way, I know this is way out of left field but I think COLDFACTS would be a killer name for a horse.