If You Had a Horse, Who Would Be Your Trainer?

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Lindsey White — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:27:26 GMT

Im the daughter of Trainer, William P. White. aka BILL WHITE, any race horse fans, would know he is legendary at Calder Race Course, in south FL. He has been undefeated leading race horse trainer of Calder for about 10 years +. He started at Tampa bay downs, and got so talented he was asked to train in south fl. Bill White is in the Hall of fame, Calder of course, in the old Hialeah Park, Gulfstream Park & casino (before they shreded that place in to pieces) The Jockeys that have been riding for him for more than 15-20 years are, Manny Cruz, Jonny Valazquez, Abar Coa, and his favorite and most serious jockey Cornello Valazquez. He has 30 years of training experience under his belt. So if you guys want a trainer who gets the good horses and works to the bone,

#1. BILL WHITE

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Jockeyagent — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:21:32 GMT

Eduardo Caramori is the best horseman in Kentucky. He spends the winter at GP, and never has the caliber of babies the rest of the guys mentioned here get. His best leave to go to Frankel. Wins 25% all the time and has multiple stakes horses every year with no big purchases!!!

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Daisy — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:49:16 GMT

My trainer pick would be Bruce Alexander at Monmouth. Excellent horseman, good results, very under-rated.

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Kels — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:03:56 GMT

John Sadler or Graham Motion.

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Soldier Course — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:23:25 GMT

Terry:

Catherine Day Phillips seems like an honest, upbeat person. I remember her from Jambalaya's win in the 2007 Arlington Million. But I so wanted The Tin Man to win that day!

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Zippy Potato Chippy — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:33:15 GMT

Nick Zito.

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Buckpasser Steve — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:09:06 GMT

I would choose Hall of Famer Neil Drysdale. He won with Fusaichi Pegasus and would have won with A.P. Indy except for a minor physical hiccup on the eve of the Derby. He's a gentleman and a great trainer who doesn't run horses in to the ground.

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Shelby's Best Pal — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:19:10 GMT

So many good ones--not enough time to choose but I really like Carl Nafzger, Bob Baffert, and John Shirreffs. Carla Gaines seems like a pretty cool customer too.

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trooper — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:10:20 GMT

The last trainer I would ever send a horse to is Ferris Allen. He's anything but a horseman. Have seen him ruin too many nice horses. All he cares about is wins.

Jonathan Sheppard, Graham Motion, Micheal Matz, Tommy Voss, Barclay Tagg and Bill Mott would be at the top of my list. Also Mike Trombatta and Hamilton Smith as well as Larry Jones if he came back to training.

John Shirreffs, Van Berg and Carl Nafzger are right up there too.

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Soldier Course — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:35:04 GMT

Gary G:

After our posts yesterday I went back and read about Midway Cat.

In the 2003 Florida Derby, Midway Cat stumbled into the rail at the far turn, then fell, throwing jockey Jorge Chavez. Midway Cat broke his foreleg and was euthanized. From what you have said, Midway Cat must have suffered the heart attack near the far turn, which set the subsequent events in motion. I don't think the first responders at the track realized that Midway Cat had had a heart attack before he fell.

Two months before the Florida Derby, Midway Cat had a good start to his 3YO campaign with a win in an allowance race at Gulfstream Park.

Please give my regards to your uncle, Rick Hiles.

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NED — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:22:26 GMT

Frankel Robert OR Violette, Jr. R A

IS WHO I WOULD USE.....

GO BABY GO !!!!!!

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cher — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:16:18 GMT

LOL - by then, I'd be certified, and I'd train my own little firecracker! :D

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Tim G — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:34:14 GMT

brian, the tip top? $75-100 a day per horse and think the 'average' is $82 per day per horse. Add to that variable costs like veterinary bills, shoeing, transportation, dental, etc.,

plus nomination and starters fees.

A good book on the Exclusively Equine site here, New Owners handbook breaks down the cost and the TOC (Thoroughbred Owners of California) also gives average costs of the variables.

www.toconline.com/.../trainerscost_win06.pdf

Good luck with your soon to be baby!!!

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NM-First Time Owner — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:33:13 GMT

As a first time owner there are too many question--and all you can find out is Win% ITM% or drug violations!

There do you go to find out who the interval trainers are?--Who known's who Tom Ivers is?-- Who gives there horses a progressive loaded workout program and who actually spends time listening to the owners concerns--who pulls out a weight tape and can tell you the idea racing weight of there horses The Blood-Horse is a poor source for this type of information--and any other information that would benefit a owner or handicapper looking for the best trainer on a given track--Any information about Joel Marr's training methods would be greatly appreciated.

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Convene — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:33:39 GMT

Larry Jones. Yeah, I know he's retiring but apparently Cindy isn't, so I suspect it'll be a collaborative thing ... Larry puts the horse first and foremost, has one the best records on drug positives (1 in 25 years) and has proven that he can get horses to the Derby. If I had the horse, he'd get him where he had the ability to go. Plus - he prefers a small stable where he can be, "hands on," and I firmly believe he's right. I would feel most comfortable having a "Jones" horse.

Alternatively - Richard Mandella. His track record is proven and he does with a horse what the horse needs done - including layups as required. The Tin Man tells me this man has the horse at the top of his list of priorities. How else did that grand old man keep coming back and back as the champ he was?

Third choice would be Kiaran McLaughlin, whose abilities are also well proven. If he's good enough for Shadwell, I think that says enough - and he has lots of other clients whose horses state his abilities quite clearly.

There are some others too (if I couldn't get any of these) but stable size, medications record and dedication to all horses and their owners, even the little guys, would weigh heavily in my choice.

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Glenn Craven — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:06:44 GMT

Well, this sure inspired comment. I think that was predictable.

He isn't on the list, nor would I expect for him to be. But I'd send the horse to Phil Schoenthal in Maryland, hands down.

I've met him a couple of times, communicated with him considerably, and he's never told me only what I wanted to hear but rather what I needed to hear (and I don't even have a horse with him).

You must find good horsemanship in a trainer, but that goes without saying and there's horsemanship all over the place in the training ranks.

With horsemanship must come communication and trust.

When I send a horse to the track, if I'm still living anywhere east of Lexington, it will be with Phil Schoenthal.

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Terry — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:03:25 GMT

Someone mentioned female trainers. How about Josie Carroll and Catherine Day Phillips? They are both very successful trainers.

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tmarynell — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:07:58 GMT

I like Bob Baffert but my horse will not run on synthetic tracks in California or anywhere else.I like Michael Matz-he is a real horseman and Larry Jones-but he is retiring. I just don't see how trainers can pay attention to every horse as they should when they have a huge stable of horses-even with assistants. I have been working with horses all my life and my dream is my own-I would train my own horse and we would win!

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brian g — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:51:01 GMT

What do these top trainers charge per day like bob baffert? I have a mare that is due next year and would like to move up to the high ranks and get a good trainer instead of just doing the local stuff. I am in Nevada.

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SpecBid — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:30:15 GMT

I just can't believe all the lesser trainers that are named before Todd Pletcher! Wow, he's made me mucho bucks!

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VA TB BLOG — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:25:04 GMT

I'd go local if I could - Ferris Allen, he's a top Mid-Atlantic guy, a Virginian, a good horsemen and and old friend. If I had to go with a national guy, I'd take either Zito (known the longest), Graham Motion or Michael Matz.

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LDP — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:59:31 GMT

Greg J,

That is why i like him, he just spurted away from the field and won it easily. He's improving, His trainer is born to pull upsets, and his last race looked real good. I could be wrong, but i think he's got a shot and could suprise some ppl.

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Soldier Course — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:24:59 GMT

Gary G:

My heart skipped a beat when I read your post about your Uncle Rick Hiles and Midway Cat.

I remember watching the 2003 Florida Derby on TV and seeing poor Midway Cat go down. My mother and I sent a donation to the Grayson-Jockey Club Research Foundation in memory of Midway Cat. A few days later we received a most gracious letter of thanks from four gentlemen who were Midway Cat's connection. One of these men was your uncle, Rick Hiles.

I still have that letter.

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Greg J. — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:31:30 GMT

LDP,

I agree, I would hold MTB back for another day, BUT, If he goes I think he will pull it off along with Summer Bird coming in second. "Our Edge" is an interesting pick, He looked great at DP in the Barbaro, And, It looked like he had alot left after the 1 1/16. Like you said, Mr. Zito is a master at pulling upsets...

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Soldier Course — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:19 GMT

LDP:

Sounds like the decision about Mine That Bird and the Travers has probably already been made. I agree with you about the time period from his surgery. I'd be cautious, too.