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Monica V — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:28:54 GMT

Thank you, Footlick

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Footlick — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:38:02 GMT

Monica- Don't discount RA's Haskell win. Yes, it's a speed favoring track and superior speed horse do better than superior stretch runners, but I would never discount her win. She ran a great race. He's better at a longer distance than a shorter one, but if then maybe they shouldn't have run. You all know I'm not the biggest RA supporter in the world but I try to be fair. Haskell was her strongest race this year, track bias or not.

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Monica V — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:19:06 GMT

Of course Tim Ice is pointing that question at JJ. He wants a rematch with RA to prove his horse can beat her and she's not in the classic for that to happen. I know there are several people on this blog who absolutely hate the thought of Rachel winning HOY over anyone but to say that no one should get HOY if they don't run the BC is ludicrous. Any horse who has 8 staight wins, 5 grade 1's on 7 different tracks shouldn't be out of the running because she doesn't run at The BC. Who has a better record this year? I know, I know, RA has done nothing only beat a bunch of claimers. One of those horses was Summer Bird and don't think that doesn't bother Ice. She beat him by six legths, that a was a decisive victory and if it had been 10 furlongs, he wouldn't have caught her. I know, the track wasn't to his liking and RA relished it so it wasn't a legitimate win because SB was compromised on the track. That's horse racing. I have heard more negativity regarding Rachel than I can believe. Her being over-rated can be rationalized to death but the fact of the matter is the people constantly putting her down either dislike her connections or they feel their favorite horse is being overlooked because of RA. That is at the crux of the whole thing and it is understandable. Love of a horse will do that. When another horse comes along and excels it takes the spotlilght from your favorite and no one is better than your beloved horse. Why else would these arguments exist? No one one this blog will benefit or lose anything whomever gets HOY, bottom line. Tim Ice will definitely benefit if SB wins HOY so his position is certainly a reasonable one, it's his livelyhood, I would feel the same way in his position. I will say, though, that Zenyatta should have won HOY last year, she was cheated and I love Curlin but she should have won.

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KenfromRI — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:30:14 GMT

The closer the Classic gets the bigger chance I think Zenyatta has to win the race. Work looked great yesterday and she is gonna LOVE that extra 1/8 of a mile. "Just get her in gear a bit faster, Mike!"

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LDP — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:42:03 GMT

Laz,

He didn't even praise her, just stated a fact then his opinion. How is stating that he expects her to enter the race as the favorite praising her. If you want to see trashing go else where, that was not it, it is a simple opinion, Jason said it aswell and I don't see you calling him "cute". Don't have enough guts to call the head out, so you pick on someone else. Not only are you a bully but a pathetic one. You show me where ABZ praised her then trashed her, oh wait you can't cause he didn't. You twisted it in your own head and have to much pride to actually admit it. The guy hardly ever posts on here and the when he finally does you jump down his throat, saying you are getting tired of his "cute remarks"? Before you he commented ONCE on this blog, so what remarks on here do you speak of? Does on little thing set you off that badly? I never said you had to be nice but that was uncalled for and unfair and downright rude to call him out, when others on this forum do it much worse and much more often and you don't say a word to them. And if I'm Queen, nobody acts like it, by the way you act you would think you were the royal guard of Zenyatta. I've been fairly decent on these blogs for a while, but when you want to be stupid and rude to a friend of mine you can bet your life on it I'll come back like a darn bull whip. Your comment was wrong, flat out wrong.

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Tim G — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:39:23 GMT

Summer Bird, he's saying what we all are saying in the industry and what I've been saying on these blog comments. Sure maybe they aren't the end all and be all, particularly on the surface that so many are staying away from, but if a horse like Summer Bird, with the campaign he's had wins the Classic? Everyone will see what we all already know, that the Eclipse Awards as a whole have turned into a popularity contest.

WHO but the colt that wins the Juvenile will win Juvenile of the year? WHO but the Juvenile Filly that wins that race will win JF of the year? With no clearcut frontrunners WHO will be the winners? Unless we go with a synthetic specialist as Draynay would say and choose Lookin At Lucky, or continue the Jackson pandering and go with Hot Dixie Chick.

By the way did you guys see Zenyatta's work today?

For the king of the 'works' and the king of the 'times' put attention man.

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Summer Bird — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:22:25 GMT

Interesting...

Do you think Tim Ice is pointing this question to Jess "No Show" Jackson?

The response of Tim Ice, trainer of Summer Bird, to the question of who should be Horse of the Year:

“My opinion is that each sport has its championship game and if you don't compete in the championship game, you shouldn't (win) the championship.

“This is definitely the spot, the highlight of the year as far as great horses coming together. This is the stage that you should want to be on and this should mean Horse of the Year.”

"Horse of the Year has turned into a popularity contest".

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LAZMANNICK — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:17:35 GMT

LDP

What’s this, an order from the Queen of GUEST BLOGGERS forbidding us to say anything other than something positive to other members of THE ORDER OF GUEST BLOGGERS!

I find it very HYPOCRITICAL to so-called praise a horse and then turn the other cheek and make those pathetic little comments.

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Ron M T — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:39:11 GMT

I just love Zenyatta in this race because she is a big mare got the fast workout that this kind of horse need to run their best races and barring any problems I believe she will just gallope home first good luck Mike, Your friend R.T.

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Mike Relva — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:00:38 GMT

DRAYNAY

Without Zenyatta in the race,I think CJ will beat Music Note

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Mike Relva — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:58:28 GMT

CITATION,DR FAGER,WAR ADMIRAL

Great points from you guys!

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Dr. Fager — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:15:50 GMT

Citation,

If you watch that Apple Blossom, you'll notice that Ginger Punch is 12 lengths ahead of Zenyatta going into the far turn, and at the wire, she ends up 12 lenghts behind Zenyatta.

U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E!

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War Admiral — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:04:32 GMT

Citation,

You are absolutely dead on!

Zenyatta made a mockery of that Apple Blossom field. She was 12 lengths off the pace and blew past the field (as if they were claimers).

Zenyatta appears to be much better on the dirt than the synthetics.

Watch this mare close in this impressive performance on the dirt:

www.youtube.com/watch

Absolutely frightening. She literally grabbed Ginger Punch by the throat and didn't let her up.

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Mike Relva — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:05:21 GMT

GHOSTZAPPER

I've been a loyal Zenyatta fan from day one,but you know nothing to suggest that Personal Ensign was a"fluke". What planet do you reside on anyway?

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LDP — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:45:33 GMT

Would you ppl get off ABZ! He has an opinion SO WHAT! He likes Zenyatta but thinks she'll lose, well so do I. Shoot me for it why don't you. He has valid opinions, Zen has taken on a watered down division in Cali for the older females and hasn't faced a field near this quality if she goes in the Classic. He also never said anything about RA. Jason, ABZ, and I all think that she will be the favorite yet lose. I don't see you yelling at Jason for it, though I can see you coming at me for it now. People are allowed their own opinions, not everyone has to agree with you.

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Ghostzapper — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:05:04 GMT

Draynay,

Zenyatta would take that fluke (Personal Ensign) out behind the woodshed.

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Citation — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:59:53 GMT

Draynay,

Do we have "selective" memory?

I think you stated that Zenyatta hasn't travel to other tracks and that she is a synthetic specialist.

Did Zenyatta travel to Oaklawn Park and bring the Distaff champion to her knees?

I think she did, didn't she?

This mare "absolutely" loves the dirt and the synthetics.

Ask your yourself this question:

Why does Zenyatta keep winning?

Look deep inside yourself, take the resentment and anger you have for Zenyatta away and ask yourself why these east coast and west coast mares cannot beat her.

She has raced against the best east coast and west coast mares and no matter what pace they set, she devours them. Pretty special, isn't it?

PS:

Take some time out of your life and do yourself a "favor" and watch the Grade I Apple Blossom.

Zenyatta travels to a dirt track in another state pretty well, doesn't she?

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draynay — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:55:18 GMT

householder are you kidding me? Zenyatta wins and has done more then PE ? How many wins does Zenyatta have at Belmont, Churchill, or Saratoga ? Zenyatta is a poly specialist which will mean nothing 5 years from now when tracks go back to dirt.

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LAZMANNICK — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:23:25 GMT

ABZ

Ignorant I'm not, but I recognize cute when I read it.

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Footlick — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:09:41 GMT

Laz- good points. She was hickory, but it might have been too much especially giving weight to males and running as often as she was.

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LAZMANNICK — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:54:33 GMT

Househlder

I know what you mean.....Top males can almost always bring top females down to their knees on dirt in route races.....But don't forget that in the '90 Big Cap Bayakoa was also giving the HOY Criminal Type 3 actual lbs. (not counting the wieght variances male to female) and the winner Ruhlmann and the third horse Flying Continental 1 lb. straight up.....It was also her third race in a month and her second really tough race in 2-weeks.

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Footlick — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:47:54 GMT

Householder- If you think she'll finish last like Bayakoa then don't bet her. But remember Bayakoa rarely won without the lead so they had to run with Ruhlmann. Zenyatta runs differently. Del Mar would have been the last place I'd run her against colts because she doesn't act like she really likes that track. They could have run her in the Goodwood, but it obviously wasn't in their plan. Since I don't bet, maybe I don't look at things the same way as people who do. She won't be value, but since I'm not looking to make money that doesn't matter to me. And from what I've read, Thoro-graph, Ragozin, Globeform, Timeform and Racing Post UK are not discounting her or take her lightly either. So we'll see. As I said, looking at the vids of all running, nobody in that field scares me except for RVW, who will kick like Euro's do. Other than Zenyatta and maybe Richard's Kid, I haven't seen anybody kick like that. Gio can kick on the turf, but he may not be able to duplicate it on synthetic. I'm going to download Globeform's BC special edition this week-end. And I'll go from there. They've done well with the BC in the past.

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Householder — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:32:38 GMT

I was at Santa Anita the day Bayakoa's 16 month reign of terror was ended by Rhulmann at odds of

4-5. She eased herself home in last place as the crowd was dead silent. Dray is 110% right and I am one of the biggest Zenyatta fans out there (I've seen her at S.A., Hollywood, and Del Mar). Her time to take on the boys has passed. She could have closed against a declining Curlin just like Raven's whatever did. Come on Tiago...she consistently outworks her stable mate. Why not the Pacific Classic this year? This indecision has led to probably one of the worst decisions ever. This is bad all the way around. It will be tough betting against her with Einstein and Gio but a man has to eat.

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Mike Relva — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:02:18 GMT

LAZMANNICK

I totally agree w/you with what you told ABZ regarding Zenyatta. RECHELLE is exactly the same. Every post slams Zenyatta in some manner,never fails.

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Mike Relva — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:58:06 GMT

TIM G

Very good points regarding Zenyatta. I agree!