Guest Blog: My Horse is Faster Than Yours...Let's Race

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gw-bushwacker — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:12:10 GMT

Draynot,

I couldn't agree more with you. Pay no attention to the man behind the nay nay. First of all you don't need his permission to come here and second of all he doesn't even know who he's talking at most of the time. I didn't miss the fact that he railed on you about Easy Goer when you never even mentioned that horse anywhere. The man is a very confused individual.

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Draynay — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:06:36 GMT

Lol....

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Jason Shandler — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:42:24 GMT

People: Enough with the Rachel/Zenyatta stuff. Seriously. It's old and boring. You have each made your points a thousand times. Its done. Move on. I am ending this stuff once and for all, for my sanity. Go to a new blog if you feel the need to write the same garbage over and over again.

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LAZMANNICK — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:24:07 GMT

Draynay

Your little ditty about Rachel said 5. Phenominal filly. Does that mean she was fifth?

I also read where is stated "held off a furious push from Mine That Bird to win the race by a length."

It seems to me that I read somewhere about MTB suffering from a severe case of SONIC BOOM when Zenyatta took off and decided to thrash that stellar group in the Classic.

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Draynay — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:48:36 GMT

www.time.com/.../0,28804,1945379_1944649_1944662,00.html

Need I say more !!!

Lazmannick Personal Ensign did not win at all 3 tracks as a 3 year old but thanks for playing.

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Carlos in Cali — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:43:22 GMT

Unbelievable!...

If you really think that Zenyatta doesn't compare to Azeri or that she's a glorified Pepper's Pride,then you're in worst shape than I thought. Neither I nor the Dalai Lama can help you now. I give up! You can lead a horse to water,but....

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LAZMANNICK — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:27:57 GMT

Geez Draynay

I was just looking at Rachel's line in the Woodward in the DRF PP......It read Rachel Alexandra 1st, Macho Again 2nd, Bullsbay 3rd and Fully Extended 4th.....Fully Extended? I looked at Zen's PP to see if she had ever raced against that horse Fully Extended. Guess what? I couldn't find any such horse. Then it dawnd on me, Fully Extended isn't a horse, it's a description of Rachel's frantic finish against Macho Again.

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Mike Relva — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:12:59 GMT

DRAYNAY

I've stated many times that I greatly respect RA and think she's truly a "superhorse". BTW,Simon Bray thinks Zenyatta is one of the best he's ever seen.

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LAZMANNICK — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:11:14 GMT

Draynay

Try Personal Ensign, (BEL, SAR CD), but at Churchill she won a real chmpionship race against actual G-1 winners(incidentally so did Zenyatta). It was called the BC Distaff. (Actually come to think about it, Zenyatta also won the Classic so I guess that puts her into another league). LOL

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Draynay — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:54:39 GMT

Carlos let me fill you in. Zenyatta is going to go down in history as the best poly horse ever. Don't think for a minute anyone is going to place her top 10 in history. Her one win against males is just that one win. 2010 will be Rachel Alexandra's year all over again and your poly specialist will be nothing but a distant memory. With no wins at Saratoga, Churchill, or Belmont she is just a glorified Peppers Pride.

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Draynay — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:50:31 GMT

Zenyatta has never been whipped blah blah blah. Would you like to compare Zenyatta's accomplishments at 3 with Rachel's ? I didn't think so. She wins one big race all year and you guys are all mouth. Zenyatta averages less then 4 races a year and somehow you think she should be crowned Queen. It really is laughable. What did Zenyatta do at 2? What did Zenyatta do at 3? Compare it to what Rachel has done and then get back with me. Draynot if you're going to come to the table don't come empty handed next time. You got nothing as always. Trying to compare Easy Goer to Zenyatta is a joke. Zenyatta doesn't even compare to Azeri.

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Carlos in Cali — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:20:25 GMT

Give it up Draynay....know when to fold 'em.You Zenyatta bashers/RA fiends(not friends) are getting more desperate by the day.The truth hurts,and the truth is: What Zenyatta accomplished in taking the BCClassic is more 'dynamic' and 'difficult' than anything your beloved Rachel did the whole year.She's going down in history as one of the Greatest horses of All time and you're to knuckle-headed to recognize/admit it.I'll bet if she was east coast based and raced exclusively @ Saratoga,Belmont & Aqueduct you would be praising her as the next best thing to Carne Asada Tacos.

Also,Zenyatta at 3,4 & 5 yrs.old went undefeated in her WHOLE career racing @ Hollywood Park,Del Mar,Oaklawn Park & Santa Anita,where 'Champions' run.Name another horse in the history of racing to accomplish that,if you're playing that card.Seeing is believing,and by watching RA barely hold-on against....wait for it.....MTB & Macho,it's only logical that Zenyatta would have no problem running her down.JJackson & crew knows it and they didn't want a piece of the Amazon.He went for The Trophy instead.

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LAZMANNICK — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:05:56 GMT

Draynay

Close with regards to Easy Goer. Of his 14 career wins (incidently that's the same number of wins that Zen has) only the Swale was outside of New York.

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draynot — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:37:23 GMT

"You all claim what Zenyatta did was earth shattering but is it really."

"As it stands now half the time the Breeders Cup is run on poly a female wins."

Draynay 08 Dec 2009 7:49 PM

draynay,

You spend way too much time putting down Zenyatta with ridiculous statements like those above. The same ridiculous ideas can be spun and used against RA too.

Before I go on I'll make an emphatic statement that I believe both Zenyatta and RA are extrordinary animals who did some remarkable things this year.

The following is just an example of what one could say about RA by using the same twisted logic (if you can really call it logic)that you use against Zenyatta.

One could say that you claim what RA did was earth shattering but is it really?

As it stands now only 4 Filles in the last 70 years have run in the Preakness and 3 of them (75%) finished in the money. Using your logic nay nay that's no big deal either then what RA did.

Furthermore only 2 three year old fillies have ever run in the Woodward so half the time a 3 year old filly runs in the Woodward a 3 yr old filly wins. Same twisted logic as your female on poly in the Classic crap (1 for 2). The crap you spew most of the time is ridiculous and it's predictable just like a little kid.

By the way Mike Relva,

Your are welcome, I'm surprised you caught that statement. What's more to my liking is that you stuck by Zenyatta without going the route of a nay nay and ridiculing others accomplishments.

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Householder — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:08:35 GMT

Well Armed is another California based "Polytrack" champion who could transfer his form. A 15 length winner in Dubai!

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Draynay — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:18:33 GMT

Mike let me make this real easy for all of you Zenyatta fans.

Rachel at 3 went undefeated winning at Saratoga, Belmont and Churchill. Name another horse in the history of racing to do that.

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gw-bushwacker — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:14:16 GMT

draynay,

Let's look at "history" in another perspective. Dirt racing has a long and storied history. Horses have been bred seemingly forever to run on dirt and in alot of cases bred for stamina. RA is one of those bred to do both. In reality what she accomplished is only to do what she was bred for. That in itself is not out of the ordinary. There have been legions of horses who were bred to do just that and have been champions.

Artificial surfaces like those in California have been around only a few years. There is not enough history to fall back on to breed specifically for those surfaces and I know of no horse bred to do just that. Certainally Zenyatta wasn't bred specifically to run on fake crap. In that respect Zenyatta has accomplished another thing RA has not. Zenyatta has dominated on a surface she was not specifically bred to run on.

RA has done what many before her and many after will do. Bred to go a distance on dirt and win most of the time. Taken out of that element she's been whipped at 4 1/2 f, 6f, and at a mile on her preferred surface.

Zenyatta's never been whipped by another horse and never will be on any surface or at any distance. She's even won at 6 1/2 f which is a very tough thing to do with a dead closer, not to mention going a career as a dead closer and not being beat.

Looking at the history of racing Zenyatta has bucked her specific breeding to go outside that element and dominate. RA hasn't.

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Draynay — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:54:15 GMT

Easy Goer never won outside of New York State ? Lol... you have to be kidding. Unreal.

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joe schmoe — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:37:35 GMT

RA won on dirt only this year. Zenyatta won on three (3) different types of surfaces, Cushion Track, Polytrack, and Pro-Ride. Only an uneducated boob would think those 3 are the same surface. They may be artificial surfaces but they are different. In that respect Zenyatta won on a larger range of surfaces than RA.

Oh how we all would have loved to see a race that included both these great horses. The fact of the matter is that Zenyatta was all set to come east to face RA in the Beldame until Ra's connections decided they wanted no part of that scenario. In my book they lost HOY right then and there. Rail all you want about Zenyatta racing in California only, the truth is they were willing to do the travel but RA ducked the race so they stayed home and went after bigger and better things by winning the Classic.

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LAZMANNICK — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:13:33 GMT

LDP

What horses did Ventura face that were better than the field that Zenyatta humbled in the Classic? Rahy's Attorney is over-rated for sure. Do you honestly think he would defeat Gio Ponti? He raced tough in 2008, but not this year and their camp is so desperate that they changed jockies to try and improve him and it didn't do much. Fernely, who was second in the Woodbine Mile, finished well up the track in the BC Mile. Sterwins who was third in the Woodbine Mile is a G-3 at best. Also, Gio Ponti defeated Ventura and Gio was defeated by Zenyatta and don't give me that crap that he is best on turf. He races well on synthetics and has proven it. I could go on and on. And guess what, Ventura only raced six times this year and outside of a trip to Keenland with a swing up to Woodbine, her season was confined to California.

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Footlick — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:02:58 GMT

It just gets more laughable everytime I read this blog. Laz, Carolyn, Mike et all- they are never going to give Zenyatta any respect. I won't even comment on it anymore. It's becoming foolish.

Householder- I agree. He was one of the great trainers of all time.

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Draynay — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:52:28 GMT

Householder are you kidding me? Horses have been bred forever to run on turf or dirt. Horses have not been bred to run on a poly rubber track. As a percentage very few horses can run on the poly surface and even fewer trainers train on it. The number of dirt horses is much greater therefore Rachel faces a much larger pool of horses. Deny it if you like but facts are facts. Easy Goer ? What year did he win HOY ?

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LAZMANNICK — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:37:29 GMT

LDP

Of course I saw One in a Zillion. I read a lot of what you write. Having a BLOG like yours it's appropriate to pay respect to all, mainly because you're caught between a rock and a hard place. You have to try and be fair to every horse. That said, why say one thing that is kind of condescending (so you can drive your point home) and then ome back with something else that condradicts what you said in the first place? That's the bash. How can you say that Ventura, who didn't even win on BC day, is more worthy of the award for older filly or mare than Zenyatta who one the biggest race on BC day? The excuse of course is the tired one that it was only one race.....what else did she do? And then after you say it, you pay tribute to Zenyatta. It's like you have your tongue in you cheek and you're paying tribute only because you have to otherwise you would be construed as being biased.

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LAZMANNICK — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:09:04 GMT

What DRAYNAY doesn't seem to understand is that the Bid and Secretariat and Alydar and Affirmed.....all the greats would have excelled on the California synthetics. I'll also bet that if there was a Breeders Cup back in their day they wouldn't have taken the day (or the rest of the year off) either. They would have been there front and centre like all true competitors.....no whining or complaining or making excuses for them.

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funnycideoflife — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:37:14 GMT

Rachel Alexandra is overrated? A horse that was the first fily to win the Preakness in 85 years, the first filly to win the Woodward at all, and a filly who ran faster than Ruffian is overrated? Carolyn, how can you say that she is overrated because she hasn't run at 4 and isn't undefeated? Zenyatta never ran as a two-year old! Secretariat lost FIVE times and never ran at 4, and anyone who calls her better than Secretariat needs to check their medication. If you compare both Rachel and Zen at the end of their three year old years, you CAN'T compare because Rachel towers over Zenyatta, and you can't deny it. As long as Rachel maintains her interest in racing she has no where to go but up, and based on what I've read about her morning jogs during which she is bucking and rearing, any horse that dares to step in the starting gate with her in 2010 better watch out!