Eclipse Award Picks

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Aluminaut — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:23:49 GMT

Tell me how you sleep.....

For Dray after the TVG announcement today.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Carolyn — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:05:01 GMT

So everyone of Ra fans, hope that out of the turf writers that sent their Eclipse ballots in, hope that RA got one extra vote to give her the nod over Zenyatta. I heard 39 of them didn't even participate or send their's in because they didn't want to vote agaisnt Zenyatta or RA, and it is only about 280 voters in all.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

draynay — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:04:57 GMT

Phony not one horse in two years that ran on dirt before the Cup races on poly won a race. Running on poly for the Breeders Cup was a bad joke and decided nothing. I want to know who the best DIRT and TURF horses are each year. If you want to know who the best poly horse is hold a POLY championship. Asking dirt horses to compete on a poly track is crazy and doesn't work. HOY is not for poly only horses and all year Zenyatta was nothing more then a poly horse. And still after all this time NO ONE is willing to tell me what she did besides winning the Cup on the poly track that earns her HOY. Somebody tell me what she did that earns her the award. Anyone ?

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Phony — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:40:50 GMT

DRAY:

In response to your post?

" I can't believe you people want to give a poly specialist the award"

For one thing, a very talented horse that is and has been leading in all polls since her win in the BCC, isn't just considered a "poly specialist" only to small subject minds like your's.

You see, the world looks at the mare as a beauty to behold,and a champion race horse.

Now be it, that the filly is indeed a very special one, but in the world's eyes, the mare took on the world and won,

Always remember, because they come around at the end of this year to, and that the Breeders' cup races are very prestigious races and are looked upon world-wide in that honor.

So if you plan on seeing your beloved RAchel racing in the BCC at the end of 2010, Don't be putting the BC races down today, and especially where we decide to hold them at.

Your filly isnt guarenteed a shoe in the BCC or BC races yet????

She will have to be proven good enough to be "in it to win it" right???

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Draynay — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:09:32 GMT

Phony is your name? It suits you.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Mike Relva — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:23:16 GMT

DRAYNAY

You know what is also sad? That after Zenyatta spotted the ENTIRE FIELD something like twelve lenghts and she won in the style she did and some want to treat her as if she's a claimer. That's sad!

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Phony — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:39:12 GMT

People who question if RA can ever be better than Zenyatta? The answer is No!!

Why? you asked, Because RA will never retire with both BC wins.

She will never retire "Undefeated"

She will only be remembered for "One" good year.

She will be defeated again in 2010!

If she races at all, thats a big if...she will only run in 5 or 6 races at the most.

So all of you who are condemning Zenyatta's schedule last year? wait til you see RA schedule this year, if she races at all....

It took every thing out of her to win the last 3 races she was in...on her belly to beat Macho Again....Zenyatta would have wiped the floor with RA on any surface.....

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Draynay — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:55:20 GMT

I can't believe you people really want to give a poly specialist with 5 wins on the stuff HOY. It really is nuts that one great race in your minds means she should win despite EVERYTHING Rachel accomplished this year again and again. How sad.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Footlick — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:09:57 GMT

I have no problem with Monica's blogs, but as we all know everybody has the right to respond and say whatever they want, fortunate or unfortunate as that may be. There are so many more unpleasant blogs here than was responded to Monica's posts. As far as great older horses vs. great 3 yr olds- the Europeans see 3 yr olds beat their best older horses much more than they do here. I think they know what to look at in that regards, since their top rated horse by quite a large margin is a 3 yr old.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

carolyn — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:38:16 GMT

LDP,

Since Zenyatta has been on top of the world since her BCC win, rankings,polls, etc. etc...I think everyone including me are starting to feel sorry for RA and we don't care if she gets the hoty, because she ran in three more races to get it. But it's one thing you RA fans will have to admit and that is the BCC is a very important race, unlike what most of you have said, and I dont care if it's one point or ten, ever since the BCC the world has put Zenaytta ahead of RA. Yes, since she ran in 3 more races, if the voters give it to RA so be it, it sure doesnt' take anything away from Zenyatta, actually it puts more pressure on RA for this year 2010......I hope she don't disappoint???? If RA gets the HOTY, it will be by a slim margin, pity,and east coast biases...

re: Eclipse Award Picks

LDP — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:23:37 GMT

Also and this is to all of you, back off of Monica. She is a voice of reason among all of this maddness. Her posts are always fair and well thought out and she asks legit questions at times they need to be ask. She is always polite (I don't think I've ever seen her get rude on any of these blogs). There is no reason to get snippy with a person who did not rant or fly off the handle.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

LDP — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:14:49 GMT

Carolyn,

It wasn't like Zenyatta was voted ahead of RA by ten points, take the zero off the end of that ten and you have how much the world voted Zenyatta ahead by. With an easy Classic win on her own surface, I am not surprised they put her ahead, they count synthetics and dirt as the same thing, and her performance was fantastic. You couple that with the popular belief that a great older horses has the advantage over a great three year old and it's not hard to see why she was voted ahead.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

carolyn — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:49:41 GMT

Something more for RA fans to choke on, The World Thoroughbred Rankings have voted Zenyatta ahead of RA, damn, I'm beginning to believe if RA don't get the hoty, then she won't have won any polls, especially like the "WORLD" has voted for Zenyatta since her win in the BCC. The chairman of the WTR said, they were voting for Zenyatta for hoty.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

CV — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:16:05 GMT

"CV you seem to not have anything relevant to say, you are wasting people’s time with your rants against Dray, you should email him and say what you have to say instead of continuing with your elementary school tirades."

Others here think my comments are relevant, so I think I'll ignore yours. lol.

After all, it was the same mile-long rant trashing Zenyatta and her defenders that you've already posted many times.

It's sad you don't seem capable of saluting the terrific achievements of both Rachel and Zenyatta like I do.

In fact, you seem a bit frenzied, Rachel Fan. Perhaps you should do something to chill out.

Oh, and you guessed wrong. I have a college degree. :)

re: Eclipse Award Picks

LAZMANNICK — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:57:16 GMT

Rachel Fan

We're still yawning.

Have you checked the WORLD THOROUGHBRED RANKINGS lately. Zenyatta's still ahead so what else is new. I know, I know, like you I get tired of hering that too.

Yawn! Yawn! Yawn!

re: Eclipse Award Picks

joe schmoe — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:59:44 GMT

Ra will get beat this year. RA will not win the Breeders Cup Classic in 2010. it's as simple as that.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

carolyn — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:00:27 GMT

Jess Jackson will have to learn that he doesn't make the rules in the horse racing industry.

Monica, Did you watch JJ after the woodward? I did, and I know what the man said, I will say it again. "We are not going to the BC because the other horse has the advantage" He was saying he already knew Zenyatta would be at SA in one of the BC races, and he was not going against her in SA because he knew he had a snow ball chance in hell of beating Zenyatta at SA, and he knew that could tarnish RA reputation.....I am putting this on every blog so the world can be refreshed as to what JJ said in his own words.....Yes, he did indeed "DUCKED" Zenyatta. Bad thing about it is, had he not wasted his time in the grade 2 competition he was running against in most (not all)of the races he put RA in(too avoid Zenyatta) he could have been training her on synthetics (that she raced and won on before, or similar) and she could have went up agaisnt Zenyatta in the biggest race of the year, the BCC...where the biggest purse and best competition from around the world could have ran against...Oh, bad word, RA couldn't be put in that race , could she, with the distance and the foreigners she would have to face....only a real filly could take that challenge on...and she did, and won.....P.S. Why would Zenyatta come east, when the biggest race and the toughest race was being held in her own state, if JJ wanted to prove what he had, he should have come west, he lives out there....by the way, Rachel was no stranger to a surface other than dirt. her first time on poly, she won on it......

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Dr. Greenthumb — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:33:37 GMT

Rachel fan-those Are your opinions NOT facts.Everone has them.Try again.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Mike Relva — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:49:31 GMT

RACHEL FAN

BTW bet that world ranking made your week! lol

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Footlick — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:49:01 GMT

Rachel Fan- I wish you would take your own advice. Every post of yours is exactly the same. And you feel that you can tell other people that they are wasting people's time? You have an issue with everyone who makes any positive comment about Zenyatta. Become a fan of horse racing and appreciate both for what they are- magnificent animals who ran wherever their owners put them. Please put your negativity to other uses.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Rachel Fan — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:20:58 GMT

Monica V, apparently she cannot run on any surface as she was scratched due to rain showers back in May on the 1st, (looks to me like if the surface is not lightning fast she can't put forth her best effort, i've heard people say she could run on glass if she had to, well apparently not as they scratched her out of a race due to rain showers but 45 mins after that race Rachel romps by 20 1/4 lengths. hmmmmmmmm, I also find it amazing that the new world rankings are out and Zenyatta as a 5 year old is rated 1 pound higher than the 3 year old, still growing and maturing Rachel Alexandra, Zenyatta rec'v her 128 lbs from her BCC win and Milady start, Rachel earning hers in the Oaks, Haskell and Mother Goose. Again an indication as to which is the superior horse.

And please stop talking about a race that occured 21 months ago, do people really feel that the 2008 Apple Blossom has anything to do with what she is currently capable of, if you do then you might want to think again. The key to your statement is the word “Probably” the connections had every chance to prove she was a champion on dirt, remember dirt and turf are where champions have been crowned for the last 100 or so years, this new synthetic thing just started a few years ago, as for stunning, lol, she beat Ginger Punch a horse that was starting to be cranked for a hard 2008 campaign and there were no other notables in the race as was the case in 12 out of 14 of her races, not a really strong argument there.

CV you seem to not have anything relevant to say, you are wasting people’s time with your rants against Dray, you should email him and say what you have to say instead of continuing with your elementary school tirades.

Carolyn, you seem to be Zenyatta’s biggest fan, but at the same time have the least amount of knowledge, Zenyatta faced one of the most talented fields ever assembled at the BC this we agree on, what you fail to understand and may never understand is that these horses were good on their own surface. SB, MTB, Giralomo and Regal Ransom, all dirt horses didn’t stand a chance, Twice Over and Rip and Gio, well Rip was ailing and he and twice over had been chasing Sea of Stars all year, Gio was set up nicely for the race and his form transferred over, CJ, Richard Kid, Awesome Gem and Einstein of those only Einstein was a legit G1 caliber horse this year on synthetics, so there was her competition, Gio (grass horse) Einstein (versatile). So you have to understand that this risky move that they took entering her in the Classic, well it doesn’t look as risky huh, maybe it does to you Carolyn and maybe you don’t even have any idea what I am talking about but these are the facts not an opinion.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

Mike Relva — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:42:32 GMT

MONICA V

How DO you know there's not?

re: Eclipse Award Picks

MonicaV — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:51:48 GMT

Carolyn,

How do you know there are more Zenyatta fans than Rachel fans?

re: Eclipse Award Picks

MonicaV — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:50:18 GMT

Draynay,

You and I both know that Zenyatta ran on dirt and was stunning doing it. She could run on any surface and you know that. You cannot take away her greatness simply because she ran on poly in all but one race. Her one race on dirt was her best. Who is to say she would not have been even better had she run on dirt? She probably would have been. You are correc that she never ran on an off track. Could be that she doesn't handle slop well and that's why she was scratched at CD. She's an extremely big horse so she may not handle it well but it still doesn't mean she's anything but fantastic.

re: Eclipse Award Picks

MonicaV — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:45:59 GMT

Carolyn,

Also, the BC races have been run for 26 years. I was at the inaugural and several others. How did they determine the best horse prior to 1984?