Here's To The Ladies - By E.S. "Bud" Lamoreaux III

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effy — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:00:37 GMT

blazing saddles,

I'm taking your advice and ignoring "Funny". You definiely have a point where that one is concerned.

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John T. — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:16:43 GMT

History is being made everyday so it does,nt matter who comes along to fill the void fillies,

females,colts,gentlemen,and last but not least geldings like Kelso,

Forego and who knows maybe even Mine That Bird.

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sweet terchi — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:20:43 GMT

Janice, and a great racer he was. Shoemaker was the perfect fit for him. I'm a Libra so I will admit that I am on both sides of the fence on Forgo. Should he have suffered with his bad legs racing? No, I felt strongly about that in the '70's. But then if he didn't race, we would have never seen this great champion. I do see both sides.

Funny, no offense, but you gave me a laugh. For a moment I was back with the nuns in grade school pounding grammar into our heads! :) :)

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needler in Virginia — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:00:17 GMT

Knew Mrs DuPont, loved her horse.....'nuf said there. But it really is fascinating how the women and their horses rise to the top. I think the 2 best horses in the country right now are fillies/mares with male connections, and I'm STILL working on the serendipity of THAT!

And NO! I'm not taking anything from the Bird; I wish for him a safe trip and a convincing win so the "little horse in the plain brown wrapper" will finally get the respect he is due. Three cheers for the Bird!

Will have to pass on the wine, mz; I've never found anything alcoholic that I like, but I can certainly get into chocolate.

Safe trips to all and cheers, and again my apologies to everyone for the rant.

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mz — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:28:53 GMT

I forgot to add that I find drinking (esp. wine) and chocolate can help to put me back on an even keel when I'm in a bad mood (esp. the drinking) or when I read some of the Draynay posts. BTW: MTB, CC and the other bird on Saturday, since there are no filly entries.

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mz — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:15:20 GMT

There, there, Needler. Everyone can have a bad day.

But I have to differ with you: Allaire and Kelso is still the dynamite combination. (Not that I don't still love Penny and Big Red.)

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needler in Virginia — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:09:51 GMT

How about Elizabeth Arden and her cold-creamed stable and Silent Tom Smith who trained Jet Pilot for her? Loads of great ladies and their critters, but the best still has to be Penny and her Big Red Colt!

SEE? I really can be nice...........

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mz — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:09:29 GMT

BUDLAM: and during the Depression wasn't there the heiress to the Mars Candy fortune who raced a stable of some really good horses? (just to keep up the thread...)

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Janice — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:59:46 GMT

I remember that Marlboro Cup, sweet cherchi. You know what Shoemaker said? Forego won that race and never switches leads at the top of the stretch!

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needler in Virginia — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:30:20 GMT

MZ and BUDLAM, you are absolutely right. I must confess I didn't really think the Gentlemen thing funny since we were speaking of fillies here, but I also confess to being the snarky one and bringing all that up, anyway. So, I apologize.

As to Penny and Martha, no greater ladies (in EVERY sense of the word) ever graced the pages of racing history. My hat is off to them and their achievements in what was usually considered to be a "man's world". AND they have my eternal thanks for the horses they "loaned" us for a time.

racyrobyn, you're right: it IS about the horses and the women, but it's also about speaking and writing the language so that a point can be made clearly. I'm not suggesting we all diagram our sentences, or that we all should speak Shakespearean. All I suggest is that we use the proper terms to describe the things we talk about. It never hurts to be clear about what we mean when we speak or write. In fact, being clear SOMETIMES keeps blood from being shed!!

Safe trips to all, and cheers.

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budlam — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:00:21 GMT

From the author. Enough already. Nobody seems to appreaciate the caring women who brought us Secretariat and Kelson and Forego. Sure they were rich and priviledged, but they cared about their horses. Give them credit. They gave us a lot of entertainment during rough times. Bag the petty stuff. Celebrate the contributions of Martha and Allaire and Penny -- and don't forget the contributions of Ruffian and Rachel. Here's to the fillies.

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Funny — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:27:51 GMT

Hmmm...Here Effy, maybe if they're side by side you'll see the difference...

My son IS a strong colt

My son is strong LIKE a colt.

I really can't explain it any simpler! =) But I'm sure you now see the difference? It's one thing to compare a human to an animal, it's another to call them an animal...

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racyrobyn — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:55:25 GMT

Wow I've never heard such a poor excuse to argue with someone! Its about the horses people, not correct grammar! Get over yourselves, get a life and just enjoy the sport and what these fillies have to offer instead of berating each other! Weak!!!!!

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mz — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:35:34 GMT

Hey Needler: I thought Diff was making a funny point. Are you having a bad day and that's why you missed it?

Now if you wanted to be snarky, you should have splattered all over Blazing Saddles and the "bra burner" comment. Whoa! Brings me back to the 70's and Nixon and all that stuff (although the 70's weren't all bad: they gave us Secretariat,Seattle Slew, Affirmed.....oh yeah, and Dahlia, La Prevoyante, Allez France, Susan's Girl -- a nice bunch of horsie "bitches", eh?

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needler in Virginia — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:20:31 GMT

Diff...... what ABOUT Gentlemen (ARG)?? That's his name, not a definition, AND it's plural, to boot! BUT, if you want to go THERE, why not question the name "RUFFIAN"? Surely, a definition of a badly behaved male??

More snarkiness to come........ a bad way to begin the month.......

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Diff — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:03:28 GMT

What about Gentlemen (ARG)?

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effy — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:41:54 GMT

Hey Funny,

But you did say it was like calling your son a strong colt. Hence my reference to being as strong as an ox. No difference, I guess you forgot what you had said.

A boy, girl, lady, gentlemen...those are HUMAN terms. That would be like saying my daughter is a very pretty filly, or my son is a strong colt. I mean, I guess you could say those things, but they aren't CORRECT. lol

Funny 28 May 2009 1:36 PM

Hey Effy, yeah...but there's a difference between saying he's as strong as an ox and he IS an ox.

Funny 29 May 2009 12:28 PM

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blazing saddles — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:37:57 GMT

Call them what you want. It makes no matter. Ignore the bra-burners who fake indifference just for a reason to "bitch".

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the_wiz — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:35:05 GMT

sweet cherchi,

You did see me over there. What you don't know is that Jason refused repeated times to post my blog stating what I thought of his idea after re-thinking. I stated the same thing I did here but he doesn't put it up. With all the crap draynay and others get posted it makes no sense that he would "censor" my opinion except that it points out how wrong his idea is. To "reward" an absolute jerk by putting him out there like he did draynay is crazy.

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Gail — Sun, 31 May 2009 18:53:50 GMT

What a stupid statement to say carrying the extra weight didn't hurt Forego. Try carrying extra weight with bad legs, then try running. Saratoga AJ, try it sometime.

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needler in Virginia — Sun, 31 May 2009 15:13:22 GMT

My snarky rant for today: female humans are women, girls, ladies, broads (my grandmother was a broad and VERY proud of it), and there are multiple other names female humans have been called, but you get my drift. In case no one could figure it out, I, too, am a female human .....and I won't repeat what I've been called!! Umpty years ago I learned that calling a female canine a "bitch" is NOT an insult; it is the correct term for that animal of that gender. Conversely, male canines are called "dogs". Go to a dog show sometime and see that entries are listed as "dogs" and "bitches".... in writing, in the catalog and out there for everyone to see. NOT insulting, just correct .......use the language correctly, fer pete's sake!

Female equines are fillies or mares; male equines are colts, geldings, stallions. Neither are "girls" or "boys", and it makes me nuts that we can't call 'em correctly. Talk about dumbing down! So what if a newbie has to figure our what a "distaff" race is? Every time we get interested in anything, we should learn the finer points of that interest. There are terms exclusive to all sports, and to almost every other endeavor, as well. If you love baseball, you learn what a "Texas Leaguer" or a "triple play" is. If you love football, you learn what a "forward pass" is. If you love basketball, you learn what "driving the lane" means. IF YOU LOVE HORSE RACING (and, truly, what other kind is there??) YOU LEARN THE TERMS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. Get over it, learn it, sit back and enjoy HRTV and TVG and the race calls and KNOW what is being said because you learned about it!!

And for everyone who says no one will watch a distaff race because they don't know what it is, I would bet viewers will be able to figure it out.

OK, enough; snarky Sunday rant over. Now you can get back to the discussion.

Safe trips to all, and cheers.

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Shamfan49 — Sat, 30 May 2009 22:51:14 GMT

I've seen some of these fillies attack their feed buckets. Nothing ladylike there.

Seriously Gladys, Funny Cide was doing just fine at the Kentucky Horse Park last month when I visited. That was Forego's and John Henry's retirement home as well. Another excellent runner currently living there should be of particular interest to da3Hoss. By planning ahead it's possible to visit both the Horse Park and Old Friends which is another haven for retired Thoroughbreds such as Ogygian, Bonnie's Poker and Danthebluegrassman who mistook my thumb for a carrot. Ouch!

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sweet terchi — Fri, 29 May 2009 17:12:54 GMT

the_wiz & schabelli, .. umm.... didn't I see you over there? :)

Elaine, you are so right. All female equines have had a contribution to the sport, without them the sport would not exist. We do tend to get caught up in the horse of "today", but believe me the ones of yesterday were hot on the tongues in their heyday, and they will never be forgotten.

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Funny — Fri, 29 May 2009 16:28:53 GMT

Hey Effy, yeah...but there's a difference between saying he's as strong as an ox and he IS an ox.

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Elaine — Fri, 29 May 2009 15:29:48 GMT

Very nice article, but there are and were so many female equines in the racing world including, currently, Zenyatta who brilliant. Don't forget about Winning Colors or Azeri or even Silverbulletday. Whether or not they raced against the boys is not relevant. They were and are great on their own and will continue to be so.