Big Brown Marketing

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Terri — Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:23:28 GMT

Brownie, have a wonderful time with the ladies....I will miss seeing you on the track and watching greatness as you have what it takes and that is a heart of a champion! The best breeding in the world cannot produce what is in the heart of a Champ as this comes from within. All were blessed to see you in action. You are beautiful! What some people do not understand is you will show greatness no matter because you are the real macoy. Too bad some people just want to talk negative about something great. If you had feet of gold they would find something wrong (lol) If you had an addtional protien bar for lunch they would find something wrong (lol) If you overstrike they would find something wrong (lol. It is obvious these kind of people think they know it all as they are called "know it Alls" yet they actually do no know! They sure know nothing about breeding or what champions are made of. Go Get Um BB. Big Love For A Big Horse

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Gunfighter — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:30:11 GMT

"I hope the Big Ole Browneye doesn't duck the older ladies in the breeding shed like he ducked the older horses on the racetrack."

Did BB duck anyone? And here I thought it was his owners/trainer who would do the ducking.

Stop blaiming the horse for what his connections do/did.

You go Brown

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draynot — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:44:53 GMT

I hope the Big Ole Browneye doesn't duck the older ladies in the breeding shed like he ducked the older horses on the racetrack.

I for one wouldn't put too much money into breeding to Brownie with his speed leaning bloodlines and chronic foot problems. Might as well invest in the stock market, right now the odds are just about the same for failure.

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Avenged7X — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:34:21 GMT

Shame on anyone who breeds to BB here we are complainin about the suppoed "fragility" of todays TBs? I differ from that statement irregardless, and steroids for appetite and coat? thats ridiculous!!!! Its much easiar, cheaper and healthier for the horse B12 for appetite or Red Cell and for coat? its called grooming, show sheen, some corn oil and some Flax seed....steroids? Psht. I fee bad for BB because it is not his fault and he is lovely, but hoof quality DOES get passed on, here we go with more lamos!

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Marilyn — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:03:42 GMT

Michigan FOB: you said that BB didn't run well after being taken off steroids; I don't think that is fair because, from what I have read in the Bloodhorse and other horsey mags, there are alot of systemic changes that occur during the transition from steroids to no steroids, or less steroids; BB didn't have an appropriate transition time in which to come off the steroids; there are alot of physical changes that occur and in fact taking a horse off steroids must be monitored closely. If BB had had time to be weaned carefully off steroids I think you wouldn't have seen the dropoff we saw in the Belmont. Personally I think the owner and trainer shouldn't have taken him off steroids just before he ran in Belmont.

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Bellwether — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:24:22 GMT

BIG BROWN doing the talking NOW...we still love DUTROW!!!...LLTK!!!

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Dreamer's Mom — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:22:42 GMT

I love the BB pedigree-huge Northern Dancer fan, but the feet are a concern. Even a good shoer will tear his hair out after awhile!

Our Slew-line horses have knee issues, as most do, but you just go slow. Not many 2's race, but the BB feet are a big concern. There is a reason for the "no hoof, no horse" saying.

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christy tate — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:46:10 GMT

sounds like somebody came up with a clever idea. great that it worked. but happier to hear that big brown is doing so well

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Whatamidoing — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:59:22 GMT

4theluvofthehorse, wow that's harder than my handle.

Anyway, great that your daughter found anice horse. Just a word of caution though not every retired TB race horse is suitable for a young girl. Most are high strung and hot blooded, even for a long time after they come off the track and the intense training and feed programs. I'm happy you got one but just a word of caution.

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Whatamidoing — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:56:03 GMT

Catonie, Yes but I'll absolutely guarantee you that horse in your back yard isn't standing for 65,000 dollars. That is unless you live at Three Chimmneys, Overbrook, Gainesway etc.

It isn't just a quarter crack. It's the propensity of developing quarter cracks. The extremely fragile, thin hoof walls of the colt.

Those fans that keep telling all of us industry people that we're breeding to breed have a point there.

Have any of YOU ever tried to manage a horse with quarter cracks? Get them ready to run in a graded stakes race only to be dashed by a new quarter crack or infection in the hoof wall? Slightly different than walking out back to feed Mr.Ed and visit for awhile.

Then add to that your owners spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and you and your barn staff spending hundreds of hours only to have your hopes dashed over and over again, because a horse like this one has fought not just one but multiple hoof problems.

Here's hoping he turns out sound horses with no hoof problems (no hoof/foot no horse)it'll make all of our lives easier because we won't have to listen to all the accusations.

David, yes he ran great, until the steroid issue. Now with the ban the proof will be in the pudding.

Did they mask his foot problems? We will only know when the colts he sires start running. Yes he ran well but after the steroids were stopped he didn't maybe that was coincidence. I just know that managing a horse with hoof issues is more stressful than managing one who doesn't have those issues. Give me a sound horse that runs good over a horse with hoof problems who runs great 4 times.

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MICHIGAN FOB — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:34:46 GMT

Go Big Brown. I went to the Breeder's Cup at Santa Anita two weeks ago. I had so looked forward to seeing BB race, but it was not to be. I wish him the very best. He made this an extra exciting race year. I will miss him on the tract.

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4theluvofthehorse — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:38:15 GMT

So very happy that Big Brown has a comfortable great home. I don't care who is better Curlin, euros, or BB. BB is a champ and worthy to remembered as a special horse in my heart. There should be a strong attempt to give all these race horses a home. I bought a horse for my daughter that had a pedigree line to Mr Prospector They gave up on him as a race horse. Lost 2 races (last place) at Phila Park. We gave him a home and lots of love. There a tons of young girls who love riding, love horses, and would love to take care of them. You can see our horse Nosh and my daughter on You Tube.

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draynot — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:21:07 GMT

With Dynaformer, Rahy, and Smarty Jones in the Breeding Sheds at Three Chimneys as well, the Big Ole Browneye is facing more competition for mares than the competition he faced on the racetrack which was almost non-existant.

Best of luck to those who risk their money on his breeding abilities. Remember this is a Stallion who's bloodlines are more tuned to a mile to mile and an eighth distances. Brownie was able to get more than that distance mainly because he faced so little when he went longer. There seems to be more breeding for speed than stamina today so maybe some of his spawn will be able to carry the longer distances simply because so few are bred to go long anymore. Then again, maybe The Big Ole Browneye's luck for going against weak competition will be passed on as well.

I wish The Big Ole Browneye the best. Enjoy the ride(s) Brownie!!

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Catonie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:18:00 GMT

Big Brown had a quarter crack, for Heaven's sake, not some genetic deformity, as some of you seem to think. Horses standing in your back yard could very well have a quarter crack! Look it up! Find out what it is!

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Ida Lee — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:10:29 GMT

What a beautiful animal!! These new pictures of him are awesome and what a ham!! He obviously knows he's drop dead gorgeous. He brings tears to my eyes just looking at him. Good Luck Lovely Boy and stay Healthy....Love you.

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Susan — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:43:26 GMT

Who would breed to Big Brown with those feet? At that fee, go with TIZNOW!

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David — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:02:24 GMT

I'm thinkin' his poor ol' bad, tender, and brittle feet carried him along really really fast. The horse seems to have a won a realatively high percentage of his races. All but....So, best of luck to Big Brown. I am only sorry that we couldn't have seen more of his bad feet doing what they do best. Run. Just win, babe.

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Racingfan — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:53:44 GMT

Love Big Brown! It was so exciting to watch him race-I will miss him! On the subject of his hooves - I have researched quarter cracks and from what I've found they are not believed to be hereditary although obviously nothing is certain. I have not heard any other hoof problems reported with him so I don't see a reason for concern. Remember Northern Dancer - one of the greatest sires ever, had a fairly bad quarter crack as a two year old.

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Kitman — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:42:09 GMT

gammyp6, It isn't about being mean to the horse. It's about being realistic as to the potential for problems with his feet. Especially when everyone is screaming to breed sounder, sturdier horses.

The comment about the steroids is the running feud between one person and everyone he has offended on these blogs with the way he support of Big Brown.

The steroid issue is real, the difference in performance is real. The public perception of steroids aiding him is real.

So you have questions of soundness and bad feet which very well may be the dominant gene and the steroids and just how much they really did help him. Pretty huge chance to take for 65,000. IMHO

Since we're talking about marketing as a stud, those issues have to be addressed not just how much fans loved him.

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JordanA — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:34:09 GMT

I think breeders will be very cautious about who they send to him and I would hope that Three Chimneys is careful who they book him to.

MikeM, Agree that those who have a part of him will support but it all comes down to what they can sell since most of them don't run their own.

Second time you've referenced 65m, I hope you mean 65g's as in grand not m as in million. Unless you're referring to the price paid for him (60million) sorry to nitpick.

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nosuchstuff — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:02:03 GMT

Big Brown is a stunning individual. Three Chimneys was a gracious host. To see him is to love him.

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Pollas — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:27:17 GMT

Big Brown is a beautiful animal. But I wouldn't breed to him. If it was just his feet that were a problem, the risk might be worth it, but the fact that his own sire had bad feet as well makes it a deal breaker.

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gammyp6 — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:14:51 GMT

He is so beautiful. I am so happy that he is at Three Chimneys along with Smarty and the gang. I am sure he will be bred to off set the feet problems. I must say that some of you just plain don't like BB. How can anyone be that mean spirited to a horse?

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MikeM — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:11:40 GMT

Who wouldn't want to own a RACE horse like BB. Sending mares to him is a different story. I'm sure he will be marketed well and supported by the share holders as it's certainly in their best interest.I'm just not sure how well supported he will be by other breeders due to his soundness issues and familie's production, at $65m a season that is.

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ctgreyhound — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:49:54 GMT

It's so nice to hear mostly positive comments re: BB & not to have (dare I say) Curlin's name mentioned in the same breath. In BB's case it's a racing career cut way too short. We should all be so fortunate to be able to drop one career in favor of another. Way to go BB!!