Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

GREG — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:13:56 GMT

I THINK HARD SPUN WILL GO DOWN AS A GREAT SIRE BECAUSE OF SEVERAL REASONS DANZIG IS A SIRE OF SIRES THE ECONOMY PUSHES BREEDERS TO BREED FOR A MORE SURE THING PLUS A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT CROSSES WELL WITH DANZIG BLOOD BETTER AND WHAT ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVENT REALIZED IS THAT THESE OLD TURKOMAN MARES ARE REALLY LEAVING THIER MARK NOW THEY ARE SHOWING UP IN SOME REALLY STRONG PEDIGEES RIGHT NOW IN HORSES LIKE BULLS BAY AND THE HOT 2 YEAR OLD TURF COLT Z APPEAL GHOSTZAPPER/TURKOMAN MARE STREET SENCE IS A GREAT HORSE AND I TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM THE KENTUCKY DERBY WINNER OR ANY KENTUCKY DERBY WINNER FOR THAT MATTER BUT HARD SPUN WILL BECOME A GREAT SIRE AS THOROUGHBRED BREEDERS WILL FIND THE NICKS TO CROSS THE OLD BLOOD OF TURKOMAN A SON OF ALYDAR WHO WAS ONCE THOUGHT OF AS NOT BEING A GOOD BROODMARE SIRE I ALSO FEEL THAT THIS WILL CAUSE A LOT OF HORSES WITH THE DANZIG/ALYDAR CROSS TO RISE IN VALUE AS STUDS SUCH AS THE VERY STRONG OUTFLANKER STALLION LETS FACE IT RACE FANS AND BREEDERS TURKOMAN MARES ARE ON THE UPSWING AND ITS BEING LED BY HARD SPUN!!!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

linda — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:51:42 GMT

hard spun, for sure.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Deb1Spun — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:59:03 GMT

This is great banter and support of 2 very good horses. I agree with Susan in Saratoga. What a 4 y/o old season it would have been.

This sport, it's fans and the media need something of a good sustained rivalry among race horses to draw interest.

In the shed, it's Hard Spun to take the lead.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Susan in Saratoga — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:44:39 GMT

Karen2, agreed. I am a huge Street Sense fan, but A 4 y/o career for Hard Spun would have been terrific. I saw Hard Spun start from behind the starting gate at the Kings Bishop. Never saw a horse go out of the gate with such certainty like he did - like a missle down the backstretch. I still remember it. Made you wish he had been campaigned as a miler.

That said, I saw plenty of get-it-done in Street Sense in his works and races. The heat & humidity at Travers was beyond measure. He was barely maturing when retired to a N&S hemisphere book after the demoralizing slop of the BC. Long may they run!

What a class: The 2007 3 year olds. What a 4 y/0 season it would have been!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

anza — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:26:09 GMT

HARD SPUN BECAUSE TURKOMAN IS A EXELENT BROODMARE SIRE ,POINT GIVEN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT,AND BY THE WAY; TURKOMAN MARE (TABA) WAS A FREAKY MONSTER THERE IN ARGENTINA

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

buzz4cody — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:51:10 GMT

Hard Spun by a mile. If he passes on his speed he will be a very good sire. Most Kentucky Derby winners have beeen moderate at best as stallions.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

TonyC — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:21:28 GMT

Hard Spun and Street Sense were tough horses on the track, each in his own way. I would have to put Circular Quay ahead of them both. You still get an infusion of Danzig on the bottom and that should satisfy most of you. Over a period of time I think he will produce more consistent classic distance runners than the other two...just my opinion!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

libby — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:16:25 GMT

The everready Hard Spun. He keeps on coming.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Cash — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:15:32 GMT

You never really know with any first year sire but Hard Spun has alot of things going his way to become a very important sire. He had a ton of class was game & could carry his speed. He is very solid & correct from a phyical standpoint. Being by Danzig can be good or bad esp for a US based sire. His family is just ok. The most important factor in Hard Spuns future success I believe comes from his book. He was bred to many class mares that I believe fit him very well.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Phil Rynn — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:09:04 GMT

Disregarding their breeding, and looking strictly at racing performance, you have to like Hard Spun's "class" at the middle distances. He had speed that he could carry out to a mile, mile and an eighth...and actually, when things went his way (as they did in the Breeders Cup) he carried it all the way to a great second place finish.

Street Sense was a horse who ran his best when it counted the most, the Derby. My hats off to him, he will be a good sire, but I'd put my money on Hard Spun for throwing more stakes winners when it's all said and done.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Don V — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:13:38 GMT

Although I love both Street Sense and Hard Spun, I will have to go with Hard Spun as the better sire. I have watched both horses race at Saratoga; Street Sense in the Jim Dandy and Travers, and Hard Spun in the King's Bishop. Both horses were awesome, but to me, Hard Spun possessed more heart and determination than Street Sense.

I think those qualities will carry in the breeding shed.

God bless both horses, and may they both have long and very productive lives!!!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

2 time valley player of the year — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:08:53 GMT

If only Hard Spun had a chance to run on turf ata mile. His half brother is War Chant I'd say based on history it's Hard Spun

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

BobbyP — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:41:57 GMT

For all the Dirt tracks Street Sence progeny will prove to be a big hit but the turf and the poly races Hard Spun will be much better.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Karen2 — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:19:37 GMT

I think Kent says it best in his post. Hard Spun all the way. I loved him through his entire campaign and he was one tough competitor. I would have loved to see him race as a 4 year old. I think he would have been brilliant.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Springsmom83 — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:59:15 GMT

I loved Alydar from the first time I saw him. Yes, Affirmed was the better on the track, but who was better in the breeding shed? Personally, I think that Hard Spun is going to carry on the Danzig, Alydar, etc. blood and will do it proud. That is not to say that I would not breed a mare to Street Sense, he is a really nice horse. However, what mare would not benefit from being bred to a well built, gutsy, incredibly sound horse that packed his 180 lb. trainer around the track for his workouts? Personally I think that more horses need to be trained like he was!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Frank Jone — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:33:50 GMT

This has to be a joke, right?? Street Sense owned Hard Spun at the track and will own him in the shed. Street Sense was a head from winning the Triple Crown! Class baby, SS has it!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

groomebear — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:54:22 GMT

hard spun baby<3 philly horses know how to get it done:)

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

detadavis — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:40:58 GMT

Even before they came out with the stud fees, I felt that if I had a quality mare to breed, Hard Spun offered a better all-around package. His bloodlines are fantastic and durable, he has versatility in distances with staying power, but his heart especially ranks him above Street Sense. While SS was very talented, it seemed (to me)that he lacked heart when challenged.

Chelz (above) said it best!

And I also am excited to see how their progeny perform on the track!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Whatever — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:24:35 GMT

It all depends on what you want. A dirt track runner or a synthetic track runner? because you're not going to get both in the same horse. Its either one or the other so take your pick and lots of luck.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

schabelli — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:22:15 GMT

It's Hard Spun by 24. 181-157 tells me he's the winner. What a way to retire!!

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

ROBERT — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:28:06 GMT

I THINK STREET SENSE WILL BE THE BETTER OF THE TWO. HIS PEDIGREE IS BETTER FOR SIRE POWER AND HE IS INBRED TO NATALMA 5x4. HARD SPUN LOOKS TO BE A BEAUTIFUL BROODMARE SIRE. I WILL KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR HIS DAUGHTERS IN 2 YEARS. WITH TURKOMAN, ROBERTO, AND MY BABU HIS 1ST, 2ND AND 3RD DAM SIRES, HE LOOKS LIKE A LOCK AS A BROODMARE SIRE.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

m burry — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:46:25 GMT

Hard Spun - just wish he had raced longer, great horse

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

NightOwlaa — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:38:26 GMT

Another reason I prefer Hard Spun, is that Street Sense is actually hurt by the fact that he may be competing with his own sire Street Cry who is still young and will get his fair share of quality mares.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

NightOwlaa — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:30:39 GMT

I like Hard Spun being out of Danzig by a Turkoman mare. He may be the heir to Danzig. He also proved his speed and staying power on the track. Not quite a 1 1/4 horse, but close.

re: Battle in the Breeding Shed: Hard Spun Vs. Street Sense

Kent D. Hersman — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:09:11 GMT

I apply an ABCD formula to the whole evaluation.

Ancestors: Hard Spun has the line that indicates Sire Power for many generations.

Bigheartedness: Hard Spun was one of the most gutsy horses I have ever seen.

Confirmation: The colt was put together well. He carried more weight than most other thoroughbreds in conditioning and Darley applauds him for running the Triple Crown series with a miniscule vet bill.

Disposition: The colt had the maturity as a two year old that carried into his 3 year old series. Larry Jones is an awesome training, but Hard Spun was also and individual standout.

If Hard Spun is not the whole package for a sire, I don't know who is.