Ky. Derby Trail: Fallen Arches

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katethegreat — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:10:27 GMT

your prediction came true, he won the Arkansas!!! I love his bloodlines, and I love his half bro

Blame. Go Archarcharch!!!!

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Fran Loszynski — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 22:19:51 GMT

Love 'em all and Zen's Auntie:

Oh to be a "window teller" for bets the day of the big race and he runs. Great video, now I was laughing hard. Thrilled to see Elite Alex is running in the Arkansas Derby -fingers crossed All Kidding aside to the owners of "A" you have a beautiful racehorse.

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Willy — Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:57:22 GMT

Line of David - just recounting history. The horse finished 18th. No need to get nasty.

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Zen's Auntie — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:26:49 GMT

Incidently I think the Ax3 sounds more like Jimmy Durante... go ahead try it... you need one more Arch but it does fit... right?

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spendabuck85 — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:46:15 GMT

AAA, are you kidding me! This horse isn't close to The Factor, Dialed In, or Uncle Mo. If this horse ran in the Fla Derby on Sunday he would be 60-1 and get beat by 25 lengths. Sorry, you really missed this one.

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Love 'em all — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:52:31 GMT

Okay fellas, all together now ... let's cheer for Archarcharch!!!

www.youtube.com/watch

That's quite a cheering gallery, huh? I'm really liking his name; it's a fun name! lol

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Giddyup — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 14:34:35 GMT

Those complaining about the name should just be thankful Jerry Seinfeld isn't the owner. Can you imagine the Derby announcer saying "..and at the wire it's YadaYadaYada"?

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Slew — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 11:59:40 GMT

If Seattle Slew hadn't won the Triple Crown, every one would think it's a "duh" name. Perception is relative to the situation. What if Ice Box passed Super Saver last year? Doesn't Super Saver sound like a market? As someone already noted, the fame is not in the name...but in the win. And will Jon Court keep his mount when he's never had one in the Derby? What if Borel doesn't have Elite Alex? I really like Archx3, but I believe the Derby gods have a sense of very sarcastic humor, and would be tickled to allow Pants On Fire to cross the line first. Of course, I'm hoping the real To Honor And Serve shows up for the Florida Derby, but Soldat will be the toughest competitor.

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line of david — Fri, 01 Apr 2011 02:57:01 GMT

Willie,One day after you move out of your parent's basement and buy a Derby horse,you can choose any jockey you want.

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tcc — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:31:03 GMT

And maybe you can't fault the selection committee but I can. They've been absurd with horses they have put on and left off, and the list should be greatly expanded. There is no reason whatsoever to have so many on the "others" list year after year that are eligible to enter and win The Derby as if that is their goal to hope that an "other" will win The Derby. Dr Drunkinbum 31 Mar 2011 12:40 PM

So well said, and also SO true! They seem to pick from each of their own top 10 to 20 derby horses, then maybe they take some kind of consensus to come to a conclusion which horses make up the top 23 individual betting choices? There are some of the 23 betting interests that shouldn't be on pool #3 at all, and like Dr. D mentioned some from the all others maybe should be. Steve, you should be on the selection committee...

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Rusty — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:25:56 GMT

Every year people say the horses at oaklawn are weak. What will it take for people to realize good horses race there do good all over the country. The 3yo's there are not weak. They are good quality horses and don't be suprised when they run good in the triple crown races this year. As far as the one that got it right it's Oaklawn. Look at the purses, the quality of racing, and large crowds. When all the other tracks close, OP will be standing strong. I also don't expect to see Jaycito on my 2012 Derby glass.

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Junie Wise, Rocky Road Farm,Rineyville,Ky — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:48:30 GMT

The key for Bowmans Causeway will be if Gulfstrem is playing to "SPEED" Sunday....I think the Frenchmans Horse has a shot at a "BIG" price

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The Fish — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:03:29 GMT

You know what makes a name sound regal. #Winning...Duh. In all seriousness How is Dr. Fager anymore ridiculous than Uncle Mo. Yet Dr. Fager is revered for his on track accomplishments.

Also, it's easy to say there won't be a triple crown winner, because the odds are always against it. But there is a reasonable shot out there. Uncle Mo is a legitimate threat to the crown.

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Gin — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:49:49 GMT

Well Needles is sure an odd name for a derby winner too. What's in a name? At least it doesn't sound like a seal barking.

It would be nice if they didn't have to say......Presented By YUM Brands.......YUK!!!!!! Hate it.

Like many here I hope Jon Court has his day and gets a good run. It's a nice story......the son in law jockey....

Mine That Bird did well up at Woodbine...for some reason didn't care for they synthetic at SA ( different synthetic than up at Woodbine) nor the track at Sunland. I cashed a very nice ticket that day. After the Belmont, he simply said I have had enough! No one listened and changed trainers to boot. Just cause he was a gelding doesn't mean he wants to keep running.

I have watched Archx3 since way back......hate the name, but he has potential. Glad others are watching him too.

Elite Alex was far back.....like the Bird in the derby...maybe Ritchie wanted a schooling race to see his potential and how fast he could close he was moving at the end for sure. No, he doesn't have the graded earnings now. But maybe Ritchie wanted to see what he had for the Arkansas Derby.

With so many twists and turns with so many good colts it will be a very nice field for sure upon who gets in with the earnings.

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Zen's Auntie — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:28:13 GMT

Immediately after Watching the reble I thought it a great prep for Archcubed he is the right horse to move up. I like him for show int he KD and maybe better in the Belmont. A3X gained a lot of depth in stamina and experince in the Reb. Jinx is no joke and neither is Court - I see a great season for these three.

Incidently I saw MMM was 30 to 1 in the last future book I would take him like that all day long.

Despite what folks might think, RIPPING off a shoe in the gate is serious. Most TB's dont take a sound step without shoes well on and that kind of trauma to the hoof is very serious and MUCH more than a length in variation I contest.

As Always, Thanks for the information Steve.

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Susie — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:12:44 GMT

Archarcharch is far from the worst name in this years crop. I submit to you my choices for the five names the least deserving of going down in Derby history:

1) Pants on Fire

2) Mucho Macho Man

3) Sweet Ducky

4) Uncle Mo (sorry, great horse but horrific name!)

5) Oflee Wild Boys

(Honorable mentions to Comma to the Top, King Congie, and Animal Kingdom)

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loosehorse — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:26:20 GMT

If we are playing the name angle. Mine That Bird and Giacomo were some of the worst.

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BillRink — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:10:00 GMT

Hi Steve, I think ArchArchArch is a real good horse, and deserving of consideration. He's has a good mind, and is blessed with strength and determination. From the races I've seen him run so far, this appears tobe his greatest asset. While being rated he doesn't fight the rider, he's been carried wide several times, and is game for a stretch dual. From the computer screen he's not showing me that he possess crazy speed. In his second race he ran comfortably for the first 1/2m. just off the pace with little restraint, took comand, and drew clear for the win. Unfortunately I couldn't see much of what happened in the Smarty Jones due to the fog. He then came back and beat a good field in the Southwest. I thought the overall time was a bit slow, the early pace however was good, he rated well, and ran evenly for the win. He doesn't seem content running from behind the field, and it appeared he didn't want the lead in his second race. Which makes me wonder if it's possible that he's the type of horse that's ok with running just off the pace and winning by a few lengths, verses separating himself from the field. During the Rebel, Jon Court really had him wrapped up for the first five furlongs, and he still pulled himself through the frey. He used alot of energy doing that but fought on for a very close showing. It may have been different had he been possitioned farther out and given the chance to run to the lead with less resistance. There is alot of stamina reflected in his pedigree, and it would be nice to see what happens if he gets relaxed early on. I realize that's not likely to happen in the Derby, and I'm not trying to make excuses for him either, but I think there could be alot more horse there than we've seen so far.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:40:43 GMT

It could be worse, it could be bunionbunionbunion. Great article, but it's too bad you spilled the beans with this one. Awfully difficult to keep these good ones off of the radar to help with higher odds with your insight and articles. And maybe you can't fault the selection committee but I can. They've been absurd with horses they have put on and left off, and the list should be greatly expanded. There is no reason whatsoever to have so many on the "others" list year after year that are eligible to enter and win The Derby as if that is their goal to hope that an "other" will win The Derby. They should take a closer look at the Vegas futures and model them and take money away from Vegas, or maybe they have some kind of a deal. There is no one that I'd rather see win The Derby more than Jon Court so I'll be rooting for this one. Archarcharch is number seven on my Derby list, and I was hoping his last would fool a lot of people into believing he's not really that good but now it's been exposed !!! A win in the Arkansas Derby would not surprise me in the least especially if there is a little speed in there to press The Factor. I love everything about this horse, pedigree, the jockey and his family and all of the connections. This is a great story with Jon's history and leaving S. Cal, and the success he's had since. His fans would like to erase that memory of him losing the mount on Line Of David after winning the Arkansas Derby with him. That was absurd and disgusting. Good luck Jon, Archarcharch, and Mr. Fires. It would be a beautiful story if you could pull off a Derby win. The stuff that dreams are made of. It's easy to envision. Archarcharch ran very well in his debut at CD in a 7f, getting second despite steadying, and has the same Papa as Blame who loved CD. He should not only be in Pool 3, he should be in Pool 3 at 20-1 or less. Something very fishy about that selection committee. Brethren is on it and it would shock me if he beat Archarcharch in The Arkansas Derby. Shocking.

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Rachel — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:32:11 GMT

Fortunately I don't believe in capricious Derby "gods", and have always loved Arch, so, absolutely, he can be listed right up there with anyone who has won the Derby if he wins!

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PONYRCR — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:02:47 GMT

I could live with a horse named Archarcharch winning the Kentucky Derby. However, if Pants On Fire wins I will keel over dead. Surely the Derby Gods would not let a horse with such an awful name win.

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Fran Loszynski — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:02:13 GMT

love 'em all-I'm sure the owners of Triple A have a sense of humor when we play with his name because after all I feel the best publicity for a racehorse is not only with races he wins but his name! I still love the name of the racehorse

"Betty Spaghetti" . Can't wait though to see a window full of fans playing the same horse-Arch---

or the crowd if he wins the Derby! Oh my gosh! See what you started Steve!

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Love 'em all — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:17:32 GMT

Can't stop laughing! Having too much fun barking like a seal ...

"Arch Arch Arch". That's perfect!

And I thought the title was funny!

Wish 'Triple A' much success ... and a whole lot more luck in the gate.

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Bill Daly — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:56:19 GMT

Interesting analysis. It goes to show you how luck plays a big part in the success or failure of a racehorse. If he had drawn outside of Alternation you probably would have written a very different analysis. I think we may be looking at another Lil E Tee here...

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Inquiry — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:39:26 GMT

Steve come on now archarcharch? You have got to be joking or you are just running out of material to write :) he has about as much of a chance as elite alex does... the stock at oaklawn are very weak this year, the only horse out there that could rebound is sway away. It looks as if the factor will dominate the Arkansas derby and who ever runs 2nd will have enough money to clog up the field in the derby. Im not sold on pre peg yet either off that dream set up last out but I would like to see what he does in the santa anita derby.....I think the dark horse for me is jaycito and baffert should send him to new York against mo.. why not take your chances on a track that's no where near as fast as santa anita. Second time back off the shelf will be alot better effort.