Ky. Derby Trail: Cry Uncle

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Lenny 50 years experience(In Philipphines Now) — Sun, 24 Apr 2011 01:13:00 GMT

Ok..What about The Factor?? Here's something in 50 years I never have seen!! Breaking the track record at Santa Anita ....where Immortals have run..... in only his 2nd start 1:064/5..Unbelievable!!..Baffert said, They thought he would win BIG his 1st start....But he is a FRONT RUNNER Period!! Native Diver type..If he gets a a:1:10 3/5 0r 1:11 in the Derby thats 15---20 lengths slower than he can run!! Hold your breath for the final 4....As for class Uncle Mo..if he had problems in the Arkansas he's the one to beat...But remember 1:06 4/5

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Mr.Ruffian — Wed, 20 Apr 2011 04:06:47 GMT

I'm not sure if the blog at MSN ( that's where Kyvet and Coldfacts were going at it) is still working or not. What I do know is that most of the people left that blog and created their own site and didn't invite Kyvet. I wonder why?

Coldfacts, if you'd like the site where some of your old friends from MSN are, I'm sure they wouldn't mind me giving it to you. Get in touch with me if you are interested.

Keep your thoughts coming, we all enjoy them!!

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Ally — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:49:21 GMT

Serisouly, where is all that hate for a horse com from?

Don't you think the industry have enough problems, that people in general have such a bad opinion of racing already? I mean, people are saying ''people don't care about horses, all they want is to win money'' and if we try to tell them that they are fans who love horses for what they are.....you go take a look on a website for horse ''fans'' and all you see is people loving a horse that keep winning...and make them win money...and when they lose money cause they made a bad bet, they hate that same horse. Watch at yourself and stop wondering why the insdustrie is hate and in trouble

If you don't like loosing money on a horse, I have a good idea for you: stop betting. I never bet during my whole life and love racing for the horses, so no hate.

and by the way, Am I the only one who noticed that the people who said ''they knew'' are the same who ''knew'' Mo had no chance to win the Champagne...after the Champagne they starting to say Mo had no chance winning the BC...after Mo win, it was 'no chance of winning the Timely writer I know!''...after '.'No chance of winning the Wood'', so after the Wood they can try to make themself look by genius saying ''Look at me how smart I am cause I predicted he would lose''

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Linda in Texas — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:46:11 GMT

Footlick - i certainly hope not. I learn something from everyone everyday.

None of us will ever be too old to learn something new. Sharing knowledge with one another is the right thing to do.

God knows i probably draw a giggle or a smirk or two from some of the things i write. We all are different and that's what makes this so interesting. Some of us are just more intense and passionate in our opinions and i have not one person in mind whilst saying that.

I hope no one ever feels what they say is not wanted. Cuz it is. Take the good with the bad and use what suits your fancy is the way i look at it.

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Mike Relva — Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:48:45 GMT

RANGULZION

Actually I thought my comment,"quit while you're behind" was pretty funny.

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Slew — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:44:25 GMT

KY vet: WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING??? Maybe more would listen if you used lower case and discussed instead of preached. Your self-proclaimed credentials are uninspiring, and you offer no basis for your opinions. At least cold facts presents valid theories.

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Ranagulzion — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:51:13 GMT

Mike Relva,

Coldfacts is a very constructive poster on here and does a pretty good job of defending his opinions. He's respectful and doesn't deserve scolding from you. You should rap KY VET on the knuckle for dissing Coldfacts moniker. Shame on you.

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Katie — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:36:57 GMT

Why do you keep arguing people? haters will always hate, they always needed to hate a horse to live and that's all^^; When every single horse in the world lose 1 race, people are always willing to give them a second chance, with Mo? No. Like I said, haters will hate

Mo grabbed a quarter, had an infection, changed from big heat in Florida to cold New York only 2-3 days before the race...and he still ran as fast as the horses in the Florida Derby

Maybe he'll firing on 10 furlongs, maybe he won't. Nobody know and with all your respect people, you don't either. He had many excuses and still didn't ran that bad everything consider.

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Ranagulzion — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:34:51 GMT

COLDFACTS,

You're a jolly good fellow ...and so say most of us!

Keep the cold facts coming ...and even those weird conclusions ...no problem ma brethren.

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Footlick — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:15:13 GMT

It used to be that going to a blog by Mr Haskin was a respite from the smack talk and insults of other blogs. Suddenly, it's hunting season on Coldfacts? Maybe I should just stop posting entirely because it is just juvenile to think that people can come and call him names because they disagree with what he blogs. And to deliberately misspell his name? 3rd graders do that. I certainly don't agree with everything he says, but at least he's not rude and childish. If you don't like his posts, don't read them. And don't comment on them. As in everyone's posts, there are things that are right and things that are wrong. There are things I disagree with but I have also learned things from his blogs. I guess maybe my time on these blogs is about over.

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Smarie — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:14:35 GMT

Turns out Uncle Mo DID have an infection. I would guess this did affect his performance somewhat in the Wood; yet he still came home third. I cannot understand the people who claim to enjoy horseracing but are such haters of certain horses. I can understand not liking trainers, jocks, even owners, but horses? These magnificent animals run their hearts out for us and so many, and yes, many who post here, cannot stop spewing hatred towards Uncle Mo. I wonder how most of them would fare in a race of any kind, expecially if they were running with an illness. Stop the nastiness! Racing has enough problems without these kinds of attitudes. I think Uncle Mo is a good horse and if healthy, he will run well in the Derby. The best horse doesn't always win there. Thanks for your perspective, Mr. Haskin.

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jayjay — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:28:22 GMT

Steve H : Thanks for your article about ArchX3 becoming under the radar. I kept it in mind this past week thinking about the AD. I already liked Nehro, he was going to be my pick but I always had in mind that ArchX3 might be the value of the race because of all the horses that suddenly put blinkers on trying to change their plan to get closer to TF. I watched the Southwest Stakes again, because that's the race where ArchX3 came running from off the pace and that's what I thought they would do in the AD. I had a feeling they would pull back because everyone will be gunning for TF. It worked out for me. I had the exacta, and WPS on ArchX3. It pays good when people pay attn to your "articles/handicapping hints" :)

So...who do you think will take the favorite role ?

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Coldfacts — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:17:13 GMT

Mike Relva,

If you are desirous of engaging me I would be happy to clarify any position I have advanced. You might find the exercise edifying. I only request you do so in a manner befitting the poster. I suspect you are an adult with a reasonable level of education. Consequently, this is not a difficult task being presented to you. If you chose to continue with your current form of communication I am afraid I cannot accommodate as my capacity for dealing with those SOS has long been exhausted.

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Coldfacts — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:54:33 GMT

The statement that "one fool makes many" is clearly warranted for submission sine the emergence of a particular poster.

To all those who have align themselves with this particular individual, make not a fool of thyself, to make others merry.

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KY VET — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:20:59 GMT

OK PEOPLE! I THOUGHT I'D HELP THE BANDWAGON JUMPERS,THAT I CAN ALREADY SEE COMING....EVERYONE IS GONNA LOVE NEHRO!!! I CAN ALREADY HEAR HOW HE IS GONNA LOVE 1 1/4...THE KENTUCKY PEOPLE ARE GONNA JUMP ON THE WAGON....AND I AM...LAUGHING! SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!! I'LL TELL YA WHY LATER.....I JUST GOTTA SEE THIS HAPPEN FIRST......THIS IS GONNA BE FUNNY......

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KY VET — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:14:26 GMT

UNCLE MO....SUPERSTAR AGAINST ALW HORSES...? UNCLE MO SHOULD HAVE BLITZED THE WOOD FIELD! NO EXCUSE! THE PACE WAS SLOW, HE WAS RELAXED, CAME UP EMPTY..WHY DID THIS HORSE LOSE? SOMETHING IS WRONG! DID HE BOUNCE?OFF A GREAT RACE? NO!! HE HAD EASY PREP. EITHER SOMETHING IS WRONG, OR HE IS REALLY FRESH AND WILL FIRE BIG....WHICH ONE WILL IT BE?..EXAMPLE-FRESIAN FIRE-RAN HORRIBLE A COUPLE YEARS AGO IN DERBY..TRAINER THOUHT HE WAS OK AND RAN HIM AGAIN..SAME HORRIBLE RACE....I.E. TRAINERS DONT ALWAYS KNOW! SO.. HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE ITLL BE...MOST LIKELY, A BAD RACE IS THE RESULT OF A HARD RACE-OR RACES....UNCLE MO HASNT DONE ANYTHING TO INJURE ANYTHING! VERY IMPORTANT! SO THE VIRUS MAKES SENSE....DID HE CHANGE LEADS? SOMETIMES A SIGN OF INJURY..YES PERFECT....EVERYTHING PERFECT EXCEPT HE HAD NOTHING IN STRETCH...THE FACT THAT HE HAS HAD NO HARD RACES IS THE LOGICAL KEY! HOW CAN HE BE HURT? HE HASNT DONE ANYTHING HARD FOR 5 MONTHS! EVEN IF HE HAS A PROBLEM, HE SAVED HIMSELF FOR A BIG EFFORT...HE IS COMING UP TO RACE A FRESH HORSE...YOU BETTER HOPE HE HAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM PEOPLE! IF YOURE GONNA TRY TO BEAT HIM.

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KY VET — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 02:47:52 GMT

OK! IN FIGURING THIS YEARS DERBY,THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS....THE FACT THAT THIS YEARS FIELD IS ASTOUNDINGLY WEAK!! THIS EXPLAINS ALL THE LONGSHOT PREPS....THESE ARE A CUT ABOVE ALW. HORSES....I HAD CHARISMATIC AT 30 TO ONE, COMING OFF A 105 OR 106 BEYER....30-1! LOOK AT THOSE BEYER FIGS!!! REDICULOUS! THESE LAST FEW YEARS, HAVE BEEN VERY WEAK..MY BIGGEST HITS EVER WERE HUGE BETS ON BARBARO AND STREET SENSE, AND BIG BROWN....THEY ALL RAN IN WEAK CROPS..HERE WE GO AGAIN...HOW MANY HORSES CAN EVEN BREAK A 100 BEYER FIG?? THIS ISNT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING A WINNING FIGURE...UNCLE MO, THE FACTOR,HONOR AND SERVE,SOLDAT? DIALED IN CLOSE? ANYONE ELSE? WHAT A JOKE! UNCLE MO RAN FASTER BEYER FIGS MID 2 YR OLD SEASON THAN THESE GUYS! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS? DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH HORSES THAT ARE 3 NOW RUN FASTER THAN MID 2 YR OLD YEAR? WHAT WAS UNCLE MO'S BEYER IN THE CUP? 106?108?...DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW GOOD BOYSATTOSCONOVA WAS? DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW FAR BACK 3RD AND 4TH WAS IN THE CUP RACE?..108 BEYER? HOW ABOUT THE BEST OLDER HORSES RIGHT NOW? HOW MANY CAN RUN 108? THE FACTOR PROB WONT RUN..HONOUR AND SERVE? WILL HE RUN? SOLDAT WILL..HIS BEST MAKES HIM CONTENDER. SO......LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT....A HORSE THAT ALREADY IS MUCH FASTER THAN ANYONE, COMING UP TO THE RACE FRESH....SMART, RELAXES, NOT RANK...HASNT FIRED YET...AGAINST HORSES THAT CAN BARELY RUN 95 BEYER FIGS! PEOPLE!!! REALLY?

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KY VET — Sun, 17 Apr 2011 02:14:10 GMT

OK PEOPLE! LEARN THE GAME! #1 RULE..DON'T LISTEN TO COLDCUTS!(FACTOR HAS EFFECIENT STRIDE!) TO GO 1 1/4M...PEOPLE! I'M A PROFESSIONAL HANDICAPPER. I WILL HELP YOU! LEARN! IT'S NOT THAT HARD. LEARN THAT HORSES ARE HERDING ANIMALS. EVER NOTICE HORSES RUN GREAT WHEN THEY GET THEIR OWN WAY ON LEAD? THE RUN GREAT! SLOW PACE ALLOWS HORSE TO RELAX....THAT IS THE BIGGEST KEY HERE....PAY ATTN...THE BEST HORSES ARE SMART ONES...THEY KNOW TO RELAX..EVEN IF THEY GO FAST...WHEN IN A HERD,OR SPEED DUEL, HORSES TENSE UP MORE....IT SEEMS ALOT OF YOU DONT GET IT...THE KENTUCKY DERBY IS THE TOUGHEST RACE TO WIN WITH A SPEED HORSE(ESPECIALLY NOW ITS ALWAYS 20 HORSES!BIG HERD!)...ANYONE NOTICE HONOUR AND SERVE? PEOPLE LOVED HIM! WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY RAN AGAINST QUALITY SPEED? HOW ABOUT SOLDAT? HE RAN 2 GREAT RACES WHEN HE WAS CLOSE TO PACE...THEN WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU KNEW HE WOULD BE BEHIND IN FL DERBY? I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON...THE FACTOR? HE GOT LEAD BY 4 AND WON EASY..HE RELAXED..3 TO 5 IN ARK DERBY? IN BIG FIELD? WITH MORE SPEED THAN HIS LAST? 3/5? ...YOU THOUGHT HE COULD WIN THE DERBY? WILL HE BE IN THE DERBY? I WOULDNT RUN HIM....WOULD YOU? IV'E WON 4 OF LAST 5 DERBYS...ANYONE KNOW SUPERSAVER WAS FAST, BUT KNEW HOW TO RELAX? I DID.... LEARN THE GAME!!!

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Mike Relva — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:26:06 GMT

COLDFACTS

Obviously from all the praise you heap on yourself something like the style of Draynay,you can't take a hit. As for "great minds" you would be in unfamilar territory. QUIT WHILE YOU'RE BEHIND!

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PomDeTerre — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:53:15 GMT

I continue to be dumbfounded by post race excuses, as in the Wood. Draw blood after the race, and Mo has a GI infection? Sorry, it doesn't hold water. If there was any indication the colt was not sound, he should have been scratched. Period. I don't want to hear the post race whining and spin. This guy has been overrated and under raced this year. The Timely Writer was a glorified allowance field, and Mo had no excuses in the Wood. A great 2 year old rarely makes the transition at tree, and we're seeing it- way too many injuries with THAS, Rogue, Premier Pegasus, etc. In my humble opinion, Mo';s 3 year old campaign has been badly mismanaged.

Oh- and for Durkin to call this the bighgest Wood upset since Secretariat? Please... what was he drinking?

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Coldfacts — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:11:28 GMT

Deacon,

This will be my final submission directed to you.

“But I do believe that you contradict yourself, you seem to always give pedigree statistics and the times of a particular race as a parameter for what you believe”

I am not sure you have fully disclosed how I contradict myself as the above statement does not reflect same. I present time comparisons not to support what I believe but to highlight to other that make over the top statements about a particular performance. A Lot of folks were very impressed with Soldat after the FOY. I submitted the fractions for the previous four renewals and cited that the fractions for the 2011 FOY were the slowest in the last 5YRS. That time comparison was not submitted to support what I believe but to alert poster that the 2011 FOY should be viewed in more measured terms.

The time comparison associated with Shakleford was to highlight that the colt ran 4 ¾ seconds slower in the FOY than he did in his allowance win at the distance. I was making a case for him to be given another chance as he returned in 21 days which was the shortest time between his races. The time in his allowance win suggested that he was much better than his FOY performance. I was just sharing some information that might have been missed. What possible harm could that have done and how can this be deemed contradictory.

I recommended Riveting Reason in the Robert B. Lewis San; Sway Away in the San Vincent; Norman Asbjornson in the Gotham and Premier Pegasus inr the San Felipe. In all the aforementioned recommendations I provided a combination of factors. If some were confused I do not believe I should be held responsible,

“Uncle Mo was sick on Wood Memorial day, so he didn't fire. No statistic you could come up with could have predicted that.”

You are being neither fair nor rational. Who would be able to predict from statistical figures a stomach virus? I viewed his performance before the report as a colt that had regressed as a 3YO. The report has changed the conclusion. It must be noted that he ran as fast as he did in the BCJ so the virus might not have been significant. Time will tell.

“I will make you a deal, leave my opinions alone and I will do the same for you”

I am in dissapointed that you have adopted this to approach to criticism. I believe that as thoroughbred enthusiast we should challenge each other opinions but I might be just a bit naïve. At the end of all Mr. Haskin’s blogs are the words “Leave a Comment” I regard the statement as inviting comments on his assessments, conclusion and opinions. He therefore has set the stage for the process. I cannot recall him requesting any supporter to avoid commenting on his positions. This is what the process is about i.e., exchanging of views. You clearly do not have the stomach for same and I understand. I will gladly accede to your request unconditionally.

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Coldfacts — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:10:39 GMT

Mike Relva,

It is evident you are one of my sleeper haters. Thanks for coming out as I can now add you to the list. It is unfortunate that you have chosen to align yourself with the like of the VET. In so doing your have reaffirmed that great minds think alike but fools seldom differ. Off all the persons that have made submission to this blog you have chosen THE VET as a mentor? Shame on you!

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Deacon — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 06:15:24 GMT

Ky Vet:

Bravo............

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KY VET — Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:30:43 GMT

COLDCUTS! WHY DO PEOPLE DEBATE YOUR "FACTS"? BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THEM! 2 YRS AGO ON MSN CHAT, YOU WERE NEVER RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING! EVER! GOOD THING YOU DON'T BET MORE THAN 2 DOLLARS...I BET HORSES FOR A LIVING..IVE HAD 4 OUT OF THE LAST 5 DERBYS RIGHT..(MINE THAT BIRD WAS A STUNNER) ..YOU THINK PLETCHER CAN'T TRAIN....REALLY?....YOU SAY DIALED IN CAN'T CLOSE...WHAT? YOU SAY UNCLE MO ISN'T GREAT......UH HUH? YOU SAY BOTH THOSE HORSES HAVE BAD STRIDES? YOU KNOW THIS HOW? YOU SAID 2 YRS AGO STORM CAT WASNT GOOD BREEDING.....ON AND ON AND ON......AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE CANT UNDERSTAND YOUR FACTS?...MAYBE PEOPLE CAN SEE THE OBVIOUS! PLETCHER HAS ALOT OF HORSES GO OFF FORM BECAUSE HE TRAINS HUNDERDS OF GREAT HORSES...HORSES GO OFF FORM.! ESPECIALLY FAST ONES! EVER THINK OF THAT? DIALED IN IS A BIG CLOSER...YOU KEEP TALKING TIME OF HIS LAST RACE? HOW ABOUT GOING 22 AND CHANGE 3 RACES BACK? IN ONLY HIS 2ND START? LOOK AT A VID OF HIS 1ST RACE! NOT A CLOSER? NO BURST? LOOK AT HIS LAST RACE...DO YOU SEE ONLY 1 HORSE FLYING PAST HORSES? SEE ANYONE ELSE MOVING? STRIDE? UNCLE MO BAD HIGH STRIDE? HE RUNS WITH HIS HEAD DOWN....HERES A TIP...COUNT HOW MANY STRIDES IN HIS CUP RACE, STRETCH TO THE WIRE.....THEN COMPARE HIS STRIDE # TO ANYONE ELSE IN RACE.....HE HAS A LONG, NEAR PERFECT STRIDE.....HE IS NOT EVEN A BIG HORSE...HIS STRIDE IS SOOO LONG....CANT GO DISTANCE? WATCH HIM RUN....IS HE RANK? NO! HE JUST JOGS...PROFESSIONAL HIS TRAINER SAYS.....SMART...YET YOU THINK THE FACTOR RELAXES?.....FACTS? FACTS?.......MORE LIKE ALOT OF BALONEY....FROM COLDCUTS!!!!!!!!

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Deacon — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:28:00 GMT

Coldfacts: I have nothing personally against you, but you did get my dander up. I have my reasons for what I believe and you have yours, we can agree to disagree. But I do believe that you contradict yourself, you seem to always give pedigree statistics and the times of a particular race as a parameter for what you believe. I do not discount what you say, my point is that in one race I do not use those measures on who I bet on. My process has served me well. Uncle Mo was sick on Wood Memorial day, so he didn't fire. No statistic you could come up with could have predicted that.

I done very well with my handicapping over the years using my methods and I will continue to do so. I will make you a deal, leave my opinions alone and I will do the same for you......