Haskin's Derby Trail: El Al Jets Ready to Take Off

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christine — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:50:13 GMT

with the recent news of aftercare for thoroughbreds i am interested again in horseracing. slightly off topic, is there any news about banning the 'under tack shows'? thank you.

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Pedigree Ann — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:00:02 GMT

Blistering involved putting a caustic agent on the shin, the theory being it would act as a "counter-irritant" to pull more healing action from the body to the area. Pin firing involved creating tiny burns on the shin with a red-hot iron, for the same reason. Neither is accepted veterinary practice today.

What heals bucked shins is 'tincture of time.' If the pain is not severe, light exercise should be continued. Otherwise, rest will do it. Some old-time outfits would send a 2yo to the farm after it bucked shins as a remedy.

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JON R — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:56:30 GMT

So now we have comments/explanations on what a bucked shin is, how about something on pin-fired and blistered as a treatment in the "old days?" (Those terms were mentioned.) What's a good description of those and why, if they worked in the old days, aren't they used now?

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KY VET — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:44:43 GMT

Horses break their legs every time they run......shin buck is a broken leg....micro fractures every time they run....this is how bones get stronger too......micro factures promote bone healing or growth......

re: Haskin's Derby Trail: El Al Jets Ready to Take Off

dadofrachelalexandra — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:09:29 GMT

Steve,

Off the subject, just wondered if you had any thoughts on the name for Rachel Alexandra's new colt? I submitted mine to the Stonestreet Farms contest already. Hope I get lucky!

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AngelaInAbilene — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:01:14 GMT

To fast, to soon causes bucked shins. It is just as common in QH's as it is TB's. In the bad old days, a shin bucked horse was pin-fired and blistered.

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Pedigree Ann — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:25:07 GMT

Bucked shins used to be considered 'normal' and something most young horses went through in the training process. We know now that it means the trainer pushed into speed works before the horse had built up its muscle and bone density with fast trotting and galloping (jogging does not do it). See the Maryland shin study for the ways to avoid it.

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trackjack — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:16:16 GMT

Thanks papillon for the info.

DanC,

You can also go to the Bloodhorse search box, type in "bucked shins" and some great articles come up, especially one from 'Thoroughbred Bloggers Alliance' dated Aug. 27, 2010.

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papillon — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:03:53 GMT

DanC--"Bucked shins is a painful, acute periostitis (i.e. the membrane) on the cranial surface of the large metacarpal or metatarsal (the area that on a horse that corresponds with the same area on a human, under the knee and above the ankle, that we call the shin) bone.

It is seen most often in the forelimbs of young Thoroughbreds (2- to 3-yr-olds) in training and racing, and less commonly in Standardbreds and Quarter Horses.

This injury is generally brought about by strains placed on the dorsal cortex during high-speed exercise in young horses in which the bones are not fully conditioned. Microfractures (ie, stress fractures) are believed to be involved. It may progress to a cortical saucer fracture or even incomplete longitudinal fracture. In mild cases, subperiosteal hematoma formation and thickening of the superficial face of the cortex may be all that is clinically apparent. There is a warm, painful swelling on the cranial surface of the affected bone. The horse is usually lame initially, the stride is short, and the severity of the lameness increases with exercise.

Rest from training is important until the soreness and inflammation resolve." (from merck)

when did el padrino buck his shins?

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iceman92 — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:54:07 GMT

like to see if discreet dancer can beat algorithms after missing a workout

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Dr Drunkinbum — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:06:28 GMT

El and Al have quite possibly the two best strides i've seen in a 3yo this year. I certainly haven't seen any that are better so they are right up there with any. I still think that Al has been the most relaxed, easy, dominating winner so far. I think of Curlin and his easy, dominating 3yo wins. I also think this is the best crop since 2007 and could easily surpass it. Really a fun read. Thanks Steve.

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trackjack — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:45:45 GMT

Thanks for another informative article, Steve. To break youngsters like these and watch them excel on the track and be on the Derby trail must be a true joy. This is not sour grapes and I enjoy watching them run and handicapping as much as the next person but I have always felt that thoroughbreds should not be raced as two year olds. They are still growing and maturing and bucked shins are as predictable as Derby fever. I know this will not change, just venting. Thanks for setting the background on these two colts.

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DanC — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:28:00 GMT

Can someone please explain what "shin bucked" is? Thanks.

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edrul427 — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:25:53 GMT

This combo of father & son are the top of the top.Yes they get top quality horses but they produce the best performance out of this marvelous equine athlete.All the best to them.