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Bill Two — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:21:34 GMT

c/rock, thanks for info about the Hackney blood in Hambletonian. Didn't know that, but it sure makes sense. It always seemed odd to me that a thoroughbred would have a propensity to trot. I know that he was the foundation sire of the breed, but have often wondered what kind of mares he covered to begin the breed?

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Bill Two — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:08:50 GMT

Alex's Big Fan: The jumpers that compete at venues like Fair Hill, Colonial and Saratoga are thoroughbreds to my knowledge. Standardbred is the generic term given to trotters and pacers.

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Householder — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:29:51 GMT

Let Acclamation roll out in 1:12 and change an pay the price. Should make for a very interesting Pacific Classic.

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Linda in Texas — Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:23:12 GMT

Best looking winner today to me was Lea, a big powerful dark bay colt from Claiborne Farms, had a beautiful long smooth stride, stretched out and won. He stayed right on the rail around the last curve did not go wide nor get distracted, just a nice nice win. A Giant's Causeway colt out of a Gaileo Dam.

And good for Hard Spun, sire of The Coach Club Oaks No.1 winner and 2. place, Questing and Zo Impressive. Saratoga Race 10.

A nice race day with lots of horses in many of the races every where. Very Impressive also the number of horses entered at Saratoga.

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longtimeracingfan — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:42 GMT

Ole railbird, please be patient, here's a bit more off topic but if you hang in I'll get to the thoroughbred parts of my comments.

Alex'sBigFan, for many years I owned (at the beginning, by accident, but it was a stroke of good luck, we covered many happy miles together) an Appaloosa stallion named Simcoe's Just Imagine. He was bred in Canada, foaled in 1949, where he was registered as Just Imagine. He was #19 in the Canadian Appaloosa Registry! His sire, Polka Dot Prince, was #1. Here's the TB connection: PDP's sire was listed as Tommy Davis (TB). Our own Pedigree Ann was nice enough to try to find this horse for me, but to no avail. Names could have been changed or it could have been something as simple as "Tommy Davis' Thoroughbred" --- at any rate, I am most appreciative of Ann's efforts. I had a strong interest in the Appy breed for many years because of this horse, but never owned another Appy. He was a great companion, lived to past 26, and sired maybe a dozen foals that I know of, the last one at age 25. Red Eagle was one of the pillars of the Appy breed as it was being gathered up and formulated. He was a popular sire, for his color and his all around usefulness.

I too remember the story of Roy and Dale's daughter Robin. It took courage and fortitude in those days to raise a Downs child, and your parents are to be commended. I've known several Downs adults, and they have been delightful people. They obviously benefited from Dale and Roy's public efforts and the more private ones like your folks.

Also: FEW jumpers are standardbreds (though I knew one back in the 60s, named Humphrey Clinker, who would trot up to a jump, pop over, and trot off to the next, a very awkward sight!) because the trot (and even less so, the pace) are not efficient for the motion and effort of jumping. Gallopers are the best jumpers... and up until ??35-40 years ago, probably 90%+ of all jumpers (including hunters, which is a sector judged on manners, pace, and suitability for the foxhunting field; jumpers are judged solely on how they get around the course, knockdowns are penalized and the fastest clean trip is the winner, no matter how unevenly done) were Thoroughbreds. I'm sure many of those were former racehorses... the great Kelso was a field hunter for his owner for many years.

Then in the ?early to mid 70s the Warmblood breeds began to clean up in the ring. Warmbloods, in their many local and intermixed breeds, are a cross between a TB and a draft horse... the athletic ability from the TB and the larger size and the stodgier temperament from the draft breeds. ?They were ideal for the person who had to stable his or her horse at the local riding school, and did the disciplines of jumping or dressage (both suited for smaller quarters and settings, not like cattle work or racing or endurance riding). Germany and Belgium and the Netherlands were the core of this, with Sweden and Denmark having some top ones a well. The Trakehner is slightly different, as it is specifically a cross between a big coach horse breed (of the prior centuries, 1800s and maybe earlier?) and BOTH the TB and the Arabian. Traks are very often the prettiest of the warmbloods ... they are usually VERY athletic. Here's the kicker: a granddaughter of one of my original Arabian mares (who was 13 hands 3 inches on a tall day) was accepted into the Trakehner studbook on evidence of her gaits, her temperament, and her foal by a TB stallion. Go figure.

Morgans: c/rock has pretty well covered that. Except to add that I have known a lot of Morgans and they have all had very sweet, amenable temperaments; and though the original Figure was match-raced (the short sprints of colonial times, precursor to the QH races now), they are not now known for speed type athleticism, but as cowhorses they are superb and they are also the most wonderful driving and family horses.

The American Saddlebred was a combination of TB/Narraganset Pacer, TB/Morgan, TB/Hackney, TB/Standardbred, Morgan/Standardbred, and intermixings of these.

As you can see the TB historically has given a lot to the horsemen of many generations... more than is generally acknowledged.

Back under my rock for a bit. Thanks for stirring up my little grey cells...

Hope Dr. H. just lets that nice horse run, without the sideshow.

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Linda in Texas — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:09:21 GMT

Bill Two i did not know Hambletonian was a thoroughbred. The the article about him i read said that "Hambletonian had the head only a mother would love." I did read up on Goshen, NY and found the Harness Museum is located there. Very nice.

Also The Morgan was the first 'documented' American Breed horse.

And in the beginning of mounted police in NYC, Morgan's were the horse of choice for that duty due to their even keeled personalities.

But before that, they were used in the Civil War, Sheridan's horse was named 'Rienzi'

and Stonewall Jackson's was named

'Little Sorrel.' Morgans were also the horse of choice by The Pony Express and The Cavalry. An aside here is that my brother is buried in a location 10 miles outside of San Antonio off I 10 in a small cemetery that once was the 'stopping off' location where The Wells Fargo wagons changed out ponies and dropped off mail for the outlying areas. He is buried under a stand of mesquite trees in the shape of a Horse Shoe! This horse thing runs deep in my bones. Sorry.

Just wanted to mention that.

I addressed Alex'sBigFan in another email but it got too long. Will shorten it up and submit it later about our common denominator's, our family members with Down Syndrome. Lots of interests that pull on the heart strings and make one a little tough but sensitive all at the same time.

Linda

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c/rock — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:10:36 GMT

Hambletonian was not a pure-bred Thoroughbred. He had a good dose of Hackney blood, which is probably where he got his talent at the trot. Hackneys have always been superior driving horses. The Morgan horse is an old American breed which was founded by one stallion, Figure, who was later called Justin Morgan after his owner. Figure was a mix of Thoroughbred and Arabian blood. He also was a superior trotter. You will find Morgan blood in the pedigrees of many American breeds, such as Standardbreds, American Saddlebreds and Tennessee Walking horses. Morgans today are a terrific show and pleasure horse, particularly in saddle seat or harness.

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Alex'sBigFan — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:21:35 GMT

Longtimeracingfan,

What is a Morgan mare? I have heard that used before and in old harness racing movies as well?

Bill Two,

I didn't know that Hambletonian was a thoroughbred either. We learn so much here on Steve's blogs. Thanks for that information. What are the jumpers, standardbreds?

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Bill Two — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 00:16:12 GMT

Linda in Texas: Did you know that Hambletonian was a thoroughbred? For some odd genetic reason the horse liked to trot and passed that on to his get. Amazing but true. It's really interesting to me that a thoroughbred is the foundation sire of the standardbred breed. They don't look thoroughbreds today, but sometimes they gallop like them - to the chagrin of the people who wager on them! I find your posts very interesting and educational. Thanks.

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Alex'sBigFan — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:49:30 GMT

Longtimeracingfan,

I'm immersed in and mesmerized by all the history you are giving us. I love the Apaloosas too. Red Eagle sounds like an amazing horse as well. Sounds like the days when men were men and stallions were stallions. The Kellogg Ranch sounds like it was quite the place. Now every time I take a spoonful of my cereal I am going to think of all their great horse history. And every time I watch Mr. Ed now I am going to love him even more because I now know his background.

Linda in Texas,

Yep, I'll be wearing my blue dress at the Haskell, Betsy will be home with my brother. In this outfit I ought to escort Hansen out myself, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee, hee!

Going off topic, so Old Railbird is gonna darn shoot me!, but you mentioned Dale Evans and Roy Rogers. In the early 1950's Dale Evans gave birth to a Down Syndrome little girl named I believe Robin. Dale wrote a book, a tiny, wee bit of a book in size, but it would be so powerful that it would impact how America viewed the care of the Down Syndrome. Dale decided to keep and raise the child at home, as did my parents who had my sister in 1960. Both sets of parents were advised to "put the child away" and the Down Syndrome were institutonalized more often than not. Both sets of parents disregarded the advice of the doctors and raised their children in loving homes. Unfortunately Dale's daughter died I believe at age 2 or 3, my sister is still alive, albeit not well now, at age 50 but suffering from Alzheimer's with a feeding tube confined to a bed and wheelchair. The name of the book was entitled simply, "Angel Unaware." Such a befitting title, for they are angels and so unaware of their plight in life, that they are the victims of an ill-fated chromosome and most are facing developping Alzheimer's later in life into their forties. The book recounts Robin's brief life through Robin's eyes as told by her mother. My parents had that book in their home. I know several of us have or had relatives with Downs.

I wish I had the view of the Hollywood Hills in my rearview mirror instead, here I pass the Big M everyday and there is NYC off in the distance.

Happy weekend to all, one week to go to the Haskell!!!! C'mon Dr Hansen, hold a "Meet Hansen" contest!!!!!!!!!

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Linda in Texas — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:48:12 GMT

Alex'sBigFan - you wearin' your designer blue dress and Betsy wearin' your white hat for the parade? :)

Happy Horse Racing today to you and yours from Texas where i don't have the view of New York City in my rear view mirror badly as i would love to.

Cheers !

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longtimeracingfan — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:48:48 GMT

Alex'sBigFan (by the way I always liked Alex, so glad to see him having some success as a sire!) ---

No, the Kellogg Ranch did not breed for partbred Arabians, they were a sort of stallion station for all of southern California and for a very long time were one of the very cream of American Arabian breeders. Later management under Cal Poly after 1960 made some unfortunate breeding choices (fad over quality). But back in the 40s, the Kellogg stallions were available to any mare of any breed (or mixture) as well as their own broodmare band and they really populated California (and the Northwest, Oregon, Washington, Idaho in particular) with some really good Arabian stock, many of which went to small owners or to work on cattle ranches and were essentially lost from sight or did not have much opportunity to breed on. They were a major US Army Remount station for many years as well. Two results of Arabian partbreds were the wonderful Appaloosa stallion Red Eagle (by the Kellogg stallion Ferras; a friend of mine, now 80, used to trail ride with his owner Claude Thompson in southern California and remembers Red Eagle well, a well conformed horse who could and would do just about any job on a ranch. The other was farther east, another Apaloosa named Peter K. I'm drawing a blank as to his sire... but the Arab stallion Borkaan (I THINK he was the sire of Peter K too) was the sire of another well known showbiz horse, Gene Autry's Champion (one of them; the main one).

Antez was not successful in Poland because they thought he sired soft pasterns; he probably did. He left only a few foals there, and one son came to the US. Back in those days a big breeding season might be five mares, so there weren't many to begin with.

Add in WWII and the aftermaths in many countries and there weren't many being bred due to lack of facilities, feeds, funds, etc., not to mention the many that were lost due to war.

But to answer your question more directly, many people brought their "grade" mares to the Arabian stallions, and though there was a registry for them, some weren't registered and their records and histories were lost. Many folks just wanted prettier horses, or better riding horses, and eventually there grew a substantial show-ring demand for them and you could see get of one stallion with entries in Western (from the QH and stock-type mares) and English (from the TB and Saddlebred and Morgan type mares), and some that did both. I'm out of the show-ring stuff these days, by choice, and have no idea what's going on there now.

OMIGAWSH, a TRANQUILIZER to a horse trying to get up? How awful.

Any newer news on Holy Candy? Isn't his dam still a pasturemate of Zenyatta and 12Z?

Linda in Texas and Bill Two ---

My late brother and his wife spent a week or two on Mackinac Island and their reaction was much like yours, wonderful relaxed ambiance, fresh air, nostalgia everywhere.

Let me add my belated agreement, Steve, that we'd all love to see a Haskin family snapshot at Saratoga. Mandy's grown up a bit since those shots with Holy Bull...

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Linda in Texas — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:13:08 GMT

longtimeracingfan that was superb. I had not thought to look him up. That is amazing all the connections and his bloodlines.

Thank you so much. I think it was maybe seeing Mr. Ed and the horses that were ridden by Hopalong Cassidy,The Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers and Dale and Gene Autrey that started my love of horses if i were to really admit the truth.

There was something that drew me to horses and those old t v programs i never will forget nor the impact they had on me, Then i got my own horses when i was fourteenish!

And speaking of cousins, longtimeracingfan,just in the last year thru Ancestry.com i have found i do have some living second cousins. And i had great aunts and uncles and history i had no earthly idea i had. One daughter of a second cousin rides Event Horses. Love those also. So of course that cousin i feel especially connected to. The love of horses is indeed in my bloodlines. My mother inspired me first of course.

Bill Two have never been to Goshen, NY but when i do i will have to visit their track. Thank you for the suggestion. My first "horse" book was Hambletonian which i have probably mentioned before. I still have the book and it is beaucoup years old and not a page is tattered. I treasure it. Hambletonian the horse was born in upstate New York in 1849, and he spent his entire life in Orange County, NY an hour from NYC. Though he never raced his descendents did thus in 1923 when several men got together to start trotting races they chose Hambletonian as the name for the premier race, The Hambletonian. And the book i read was all about the horse it was named after. Quite

amazing. But then again they all are. And today "every American- Bred Harness horse traces in his male line to Hambletonian. That is saying something awesome.

Alex'sbigfan, your mention of the demise of Deputy Minister is seconded. I read that yesterday and she must have been quite special and a gutsy gal with a reserve to match which was passed on to Curlin. Her owners are no doubt terribly affected by her loss at age 18 due to Laminitis, the scourge of the earth. Why can't a cure for it be found? We have lost so many great ones and not so great ones too young to that awful disease. I know that research has found ways to treat it and to lessen it's destruction but i would love to see it totally gone from a reason to lose any horse.

Wishing everyone a wonderful week end of racing. And best wishes for safe trips to all, both horse and rider.

Thank you Steve.

Linda

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Alex'sBigFan — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:38:49 GMT

Longtimeracingfan,

Wow, thanks for that history on Antez and The Harvester, that was great reading it. Did Mr. Kellogg or Mr. Dickinson or neither own the daughter of Antez (Zetna Hara) who was bred to The Harvester? Even Antez did some shuttling in those days! Antez sounds like he was quite an exceptional and intelligent animal and am glad you can trace him in your Arabians. So The Harvester ended up with Antez's daughter and somehow we got Mr. Ed!

I was reading in Wikipedia also that there were two stories on Mr. Ed's death. Alan the actor claims that Ed's trainer was away and whoever was attending to Ed thought he was in distress trying to get up as Ed was heavy, and gave him a tranquilizer which evidently killed him. There was another horse who was a stand in later for still photos who was euthanized due to old age complications who everyone thought was Ed. Ed's remains are thought to be scattered in California at a location known only to the trainer. Poor guy must have returned from wherever he was and was heartbroken to learn of Ed. I wonder if that trainer is still alive today?

Sounds like happy times back then, nothing to do they said let's have a parade!!!

Opening day at Del Mar looks so inviting wish I could be in CA.

Hope Went The Day Well is ok, another one sidelined. And RIP Curlin's dam. And c'mon Hansen get ready for the Haskell parade!!!

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Bill Two — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:45:10 GMT

Linda in Texas: Mackinac Island is indeed a magical place and could certainly understand why that movie with Chris Reeve and Jane Seymour was filmed there. The first time I saw the Grand Hotel I thought it was a mirage. Just like Saratoga. Another place that harkens back to another age is Historic Track in Goshen, N.Y. It's where the Harness Racing Hall of Fame is located and they hold a great meet there every summer that is part of what is known as the Grand Circuit in harness racing. It's like no other racetrack I've ever been to. If you haven't been there please do yourself a favor and make a visit. You won't be sorry.

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Householder — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:58:31 GMT

Record crowd at Del Mar opening day (over 47,000) on Wednesday!

Saturday brings out Acclamation in his quest for his 8th straight graded stakes win.

His last at BHP looked pretty easy.

Let him jog out in early splits and pay the price.

Just ask the best dirt horse in the county Game on Dude.

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sanmanmick — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:56:27 GMT

about to spend some time at my fifteenth straight saratoga meet.

made my first trip to spa in 1968.

cant think of a better place to spend time with friends

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longtimeracingfan — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:08:19 GMT

Alex's Big Fan---

Your reference to Mr Ed and his alter ego Bamboo Harvester made me go look him up for myself. It's easy for me to see, no matter what else was in his pedigree, that he got a great deal of his amenable disposition and trainability from his dam's Arabian sire Antez.

Antez was from desertbred stock imported by Homer Davenport in 1906. Antez was, in his younger days, the favorite trail horse of his owner, W.K. Kellogg who was not only the cereal magnate, but also the founder of the famed Kellogg Ranch near Pomona, CA, which was, from 1926 until about 1960-62, the best source of superb riding and breeding stock Arabians. For whatever reason, Antez was sold to Gen. J.M. Dickinson in Tennessee, who did a lot with his horses as well--- in a time trial (NOT a race) Antez apparently ran faster than anybody in the breed had up to that point--- it was in the 1930s. [I'm running off memory here, no exact reference material to hand] This attracted the attention of the Polish breeders who bought him and hied him off to Poland where they did (and still do) a goodly amount of racing with their Arabians, partly as proof of physical and mental soundness. [Nowadays they breed mostly for sales to the US and other European countries, but that's not relevant here] To make a long story short he was only a moderate success there, and was sent back to the US where he lived out his life.

One of the tales told about him was that while riding Antez on a trail ride with friends, Mr. Kellogg's saddle slipped and he ended up underneath the horse, his foot caught in the stirrup. Instead of running off in fright, Antez stood there patiently waiting for his release... and when the friends finally realized Mr. Kellogg was not with them, they went back and found him still dangling under Antez, and the horse just standing there quietly waiting. Mr. Kellogg was by this time in his life (60-70s-ish), rather portly, and he was losing some of his eyesight. He always remembered how Antez behaved.

I have Antez blood [far back now] in all my Arabians, and while I can't say he has any real influence nowadays, he's still a horse well respected in pedigrees.

The other item I noted right away about Mr. Ed/Bamboo Harvester is that he was a son of a stallion named The Harvester. The Harvester was a palomino Saddlebred, tracing to some of the famous names of the breed. He was a well known parade horse in that hotbed of parade horses, southern California --- I can remember hearing his name when I was a kid. I don't recall whether I ever saw him, don't think so? One of my neighbors had a palomino mare who was bred to him, and she had a colt which was a palomino, but he did have a blue eye which even then I did not care for. At any rate, The Harvester sired a number of foals, most of which grew up to be --- guess what --- parade horses. There are few horses tracing to him now, I only found one thin line in a cursory rundown of The Harvester's get. And those were via a half-Arabian mare so were essentially a dead end, though The Harvester did sire some full Saddlebreds. A LOT of people rode in the parades back then, full siver saddle rigs and all, and palominos were of course the stars... so many of the stallions who were parade horses were never bred, people not wanting them to be studdish in a parade situation. the original Trigger was never bred for that same reason (what a shame, in hindsight!!).

Yeah, Alex's Big Fan, I'm waiting too!!! Though I was pleased to see a full brother to a favorite of mine (Stormello, lost far too young) win half of the feature pair at Del Mar.

Linda in Texas, I think we must be cousins or something...

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Linda in Texas — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:59:55 GMT

Bill Two Thanks - i also enjoyed your post and am delighted you remember the 70's and your visit to Saratoga. I loved everything about it and the grandstands and

the track. Even though it was mid

December, cold and raining the first time i was there. I felt the presence of crowds and could see horses training on the tracks. And then i went back during the late summer one year and saw it all in living color.

Saratoga to me was like visiting Mackinac Island and the Grand Hotel several summers ago.

It actually was where the movie "A Place in Time" with Christopher Reeve (rip) and Jane Seymour starred in was filmed. Bill Two referred to a place in time in his post and that brought Mackinack Island to mind. Two very special places in my memory bank.

On Mackinack Island no autos are allowed, just bicycles and horse drawn buggies the only mode of transportation once you get on the island. Loved it. I bet you know how i got from place to place, not on a bicycle!:) I was in my realm of wishing i had been born 100 years earlier or maybe 50 at least.

Alex'sBigFan - I know you know i loved Mr. Ed and i watch the 'old time goodies' myself.

I know we are in for a treat when the 'Mr. Haskin Visits Spa Land' articles start appearing and maybe some up close photos of the sights.

Thank you Steve.

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Fran Loszynski — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:14:42 GMT

I recently received a book on Saratoga Racetrack from 2005. What a treat that was for my birthday. Steve there is no better than Saratoga, ahhh Seabiscuit and that beautiful Fall scenery. Quote from Seabiscuit " How far do you want me to take the horse?---"

Answer: "Till he stops!" Go Saratoga, thank you for the Travers and the great win of Afleet Express.

Saratoga loves Afleet Alex the way I do! Someday up the Hudson we will return, I just know it. Have you ever trailed in to the train station there in Saratoga Springs Steve? you should it is like the era of Seabiscuit surrounds you!

Go Hansen in the Haskell if you run.

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Pedigree Ann — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:14:23 GMT

Sceptre - Silver Charm wasn't worked in 10 and change or a sub-22 quarter for the audience to go "oooh" over. The sales topper breezed 3f in a reasonable work time. Insanity had not yet taken over.

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Alex'sBigFan — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 03:37:48 GMT

I'm bored waiting for the Haskell so what am I doing? Reading the pedigree of Bamboo Harvester, or Mr. Ed!!!!! His dam, Zetna Hara was part Arabian, interesting. I watched more episodes over the last two weekends and in one Wilbur comes into the barn one mornng and Ed has a towel around his head and his tail soaking in sudsy water in a bucket behind him! Wilbur asks Ed what are you doing? Ed says his hairdresser was off so he had to do it himself! Wilbur begins squeezing the soap out of Ed's tail and Ed says, "watch it that's a tail not a mop." Then he wanted to watch racing on TV and Wilbur had to put on Hiahleah. Ed's neice was running again and came in last, and Ed says, "oh that's my lazy brother's fault." And in one Ed untied a boat from a dock with his mouth, what an amazing animal he was. Must have been quite a trainer too working with him.

Ok, back to reality. The Haskell is not the Haskell without Baffert so hopefully Paynter is in. I agree, a photo of the Haskin family enjoying Saratoga would be great!!!

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mz — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:19:21 GMT

...little, blocky YEARLING (not 2YO) at one of E.P.Taylor's sales...

Gheesh...Ineed to re-read my stuff before sending it out

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mz — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:20:52 GMT

anita b: La Prevoyante won every start at two, including a bunch of 2YO stakes at Saratoga, and ended up being voted HOY by one of the polls (the other two polls went to Secretariat, another pretty good 2YO you may have heard of -- 2YO's reigned supreme in '72).

I don't think she got to Saratoga as a 3YO but as a 4YO, she won three consecutive sprints there, as far as I believe.

I was upset when they had to put her down as a 4YO. Just think of what-might-have-been: by Buckpasser out of a full sister to Northern Dancer!

I also remember Fanfreluche winning the Alabama but I'm not sure she ran as a 4YO. Also chamption and HOY. Luckily, she made it into the breeding shed and wow!

Both Jean-Louis Levesque horses -- hence, the Quebecois names. I think Mr. Levesque may have been one of those who initially like a little, blocky 2YO at one of the E.P.Taylor yearling sales but passed him up for another son of Nearctic. He ended up with Pierlou (who wasn't so bad) but he passed on Northern Dancer.

(thx anita b for making me go down memory lane!)

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Matthew W — Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:02:48 GMT

Oceanside split 12-1 #2's!: Race #6: #2 Canyouletmedowneasy, can sit from the inside, then pounce--and in 2nd division, #2 Power Foot just might be the best horse at 12-1, not sure he will get the job done from far back, as they don't usually do at Del Mar, but I really do think Power Foot will be flying late, and will figure in the exacta! 12-1 but I think he may creep up! Ca-Ching! I'm not sayin they will both win, I just think they both will outrun their odds...