Haskin's Derby Report: Monday Madness

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Slew.em.All — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:12:47 GMT

Judging by their works/gallops,the horses that seem to be thriving @ Churchill in my opinion are: IWR-he looks really good gliding over the track,sitting on a big race. POTN-seems to be in tip-top shape,dirt will not be a problem. FF-looks ready and able to step it up following his 7week chillin' period. GQ-love the way he's been galloping over the surface he's used too,big sturdy colt looks to be on top of his game. DP-is handling the track perfectly and looks very good.

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Blind Follower — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:59:12 GMT

Lol, this is the funniest group of bloggers I have ever read.

Who is this Draynay? Lol, every post he/she writes spouts out Beyers as if they are God's word.

You might want to look at Dunkirk's Beyer again, Draynay. I recall, at one time it was quite a few points lower. You speak of Beyer figures with such confidence, as if you think they are science. One day the Beyer number is this the next it is that and next week it could be something else ( adjustments are constant, lol ). That is not science that you spout so authoritativly, but, just some other guys ( and his helpers ) opinion.

Mathmatics is a science. Three plus three equals six, today, 50 years ago and 50 years from now.

How can your opinion be taken seriously when your entire contention of why one horse is better than another is by mimicking some other guys OPINION ( Beyer )?

Whenever I hear people making arguments about horses and their quality by stating Beyer figures ( as if the figures were accepted by all as precise or even relevant )my thoughts are that those people are either intellectually lazy or they lack a true understanding of this sport and are trying to fake otherwise.

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SSC — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:54:02 GMT

Wanda - FF worked beautifully and I did not notice anything unusual in the gallop out

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slewofdamascus — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:41:59 GMT

Pretty unfair of Pletcher, imo, regarding TTP and Advice; the connections from the other eligible horses deserve a lot better, but that's why no one will shed a tear if his 0-fer streak in the Derby continues.

Just because it's "his right" to do something or other doesn't mean he has to exercise it. I can't even understand what competitive advantage it gives him to wait? Meanwhile, the connections of the other eligible runners can't make plans, can't do much of anything, certainly can't enjoy the moment thanks to Pletcher.

Jmo, of course.

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draynot — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:40:32 GMT

Even with Quality Road out this field towers over last years pathetic group. There are still 8 horses in here that have produced beyer Figs over 100 at 1 1/16 or longer compared to only 4 last year. Desert Party and Regal Ransom's figs from the other side of the pond translate to 100 or better so they are included. it's going to be a very interesting race indeed.

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MikeG — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:18:54 GMT

Dray - I almost completely agree with you except I believe it will be a two horse race between Dunkirk (108) & Revenge (113 & 103) if it comes down to speed figures. It looks like mostly average horses unless POTN, CC, or MHS jump up huge on dirt like IWR.

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Karen2 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:16:50 GMT

I see they are re-playing that tragic accident on the news. What a sad, sad sight. That poor filly didn't know what hit her. My heart just breaks for her. I also wonder with the warning going off why people weren't paying more attention but I also realize that sometimes these things happen so quick there is no time to respond. Another sad day for our industry. I hope people realize how much most of the people that work with these horses care about them.

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Karen2 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:05:55 GMT

Dray...I'm not sure why I am even responding to your post but you are waaaayyyyy off base by claiming that most of these horses don't belong in the derby. Several of these horses are graded stakes winners. I haven't quite figured out how your mind works and if we even live in the same horse racing world. An "average" group facing Dunkirk??????? These colts are far from average.

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Karen in Texas — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:04:43 GMT

I questioned Square Eddie's presence in the Derby field as well, Justine. Glad they recognized the new issues and did the correct thing in withdrawing him.

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longwaytomay — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:52:06 GMT

Draynay, You do amuse me. Do I think Dunkirk has a shot on Sat? Absolutely. Is this a weak field as you say. Absolutely not!! Now that QR is out I think you can make a case for several horses including the Cali horses. I will wait for post positions before I give my final picks, but I will say that POTN, DP, CC, will be in my tri's and supers. You have to make a stand against one of the favorites and right now I'm tossing IWR. Go ahead and blast away Dray, I just don't think the time figs on synthetics is correct. I think it will take several years before Beyer and the others get it right. I feel that right now it is a work in progress.

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DONNA — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:49:22 GMT

LOL Dray. I was wondering who you would jump on next. I really thought it would be Desert Party or Regal Ransom. So now it is Dunkirk. Hope nothing happens to him before the Derby. Seems every horse you toot, you jinx. I want to thank you for not liking Friesan Fire.

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rgw — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:05:54 GMT

From the prez of the win willy fan club.You guys are missing the boat, grab a line before u sink!

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sophiekea — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:29:53 GMT

I agree with Easy Goer Fan. I have seen that accident too many times on local news channels as well. Its just awful. And Im wondering why that rider didnt try to move out of the way. The horse was barreling down the track with everybody watching him,sirens were going and so it wasnt that hard to notice him coming.

Down here in Florida they have had Polo deaths, many deaths at the showgrounds,etc...And the TV channels are reporting every tragedy they can with horses.

Anyway, Im going for Summer Bird as the upset in the Derby. He has everything going for him at this point.

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draynay — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:53:07 GMT

Wow... I guess many of you here look at Dunkirk and just don't get it. I guess the 108 he posted and the even higher number he sill post in the Derby mean nothing to you. This horse has raced only 3 times and did not race a 2 but this is NOT a strong group of 3 year old horses. With the Pamplemousse out and Big Drama out and Quality Road out you have a MUCH lower class of horses in the Derby. POTN, IWR, and FF have to deal with Dunkirk and there is no reason to believe any one of them is near good enough or fast enough.

You need foundation? Normally yes.. but this is a very average group facing a very talented Dunkirk. Big Brown won on talent last year and Dunkirk will win on TALENT this year. Maybe you should go back and watch Dunkirks Maiden race to see what the Derby will look like this year. The cheap speed will fall apart and Dunkirk will be off to the races.

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EasyGoerFan — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:29:47 GMT

I'm glad to read that General Quarters looks good. Last week I heard reports that he was sluggish and tired.

I cannot believe the "Today" show is airing the footage of the tragic accident that happened at CD on Monday. NBC is promoting the Derby and they want viewers to see that? Does anybody need to see that? No!!