Subsidize or Downsize - by Robert Laurence

re: Subsidize or Downsize - by Robert Laurence

john — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:24:44 GMT

Great article, Mr Laurence. I was on a plane to Costa Rica for a two week vacation and must have read this article a dozen times. Your right how did Nascar ever run on by horses? Talk about watching paint dry. Problems with horse racing is itself, When guys like Dutrow speak, steroids, betting big on his horse, John Q Public takes this as horse racing is not on the up and up, I asked a few friends why they didn't bet on horse any more and that was the response I got, they feel a better shake at the slots, so till we clean up our image, we better take everything we can get. One person said to me isn't it strange trainers of top older horse,top three year old, top filly, all got positive test and you want me to bet on them he said.I had no responce, as he prceeded to bet $25 on a blackjack hand.

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John in Baltimore — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:15:21 GMT

Horse racing will die if subsidized.  Why?  Because Horse Racing must stand on its own as a sport.  We in Maryland are looking to vote on slots to support education and horse racing.  And if tax revenue goes down you cannot tell me that the citizens of our state will not clamor to reduce the horse racing subsidy in order to maintain education spending.

Horse racing needs to consolidate and organize better.  We need a group of 12 or so tracks to be the "major league" for horse racing.  We need to consolidate purse money into bigger purses and have bigger fields chasing these consolidating purses.  By having some national organization running things, we can get real TV coverage and revenue, plus the gamblers worldwide will love the better (bigger fields) gambling product.

Finally, the idea of horse racing supporting agriculture is overstated.  Rural economies do much better when there are diversified farms and businesses in the area producing a wide range of products.  The high margin business in farming is now locally produced (and sometimes organic) food products for the new type of consumers.  Horse farms are part of the shrinking monoculture in the rural economy.

So I cannot wait until we get a commissioner of racing, an organized "big league" and racing stars that race until they are 5 years old.  Subsidies won't do this.

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wiseguy — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:56:02 GMT

I have no problem with horse racing receiving subsidies from casinos and slot machines. Considering the economic benefits that racing provides to the states and provinces that it is conducted in as well as the taxes the  governments take out of the handle, property taxes from farms, taxes on wages and purse earnings. It shocks me that they aren't coming with ways to help horse racing thrive. Granted the industry does shoots itself in the foot more often than not, just seeing the news of Dutrow and Assmussen with their positives is great example. Some simple solutions to some of the problems with horse racing: Problem; Stars being retired after very brief career-Solution; Foals can only be registered with the jockey club if they were conceived by parents 5 years of age or older. Problem: Illegal Drugs; Harsh penalties for the Trainer and the Owner(s). Problem: Weak, Sappy TV coverage on big days. Solution: Get some serious horseplayers involved in the production, show more races, show past performance replays of contending horses, have higher expectations of the audience knowledge of the game. If the networks treated the NFL the same as they do horse racing they'd have half the audience. Who would watch?

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Bill — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:06:55 GMT

Mark my words, the NTRA will not be around in another 2-4 years.  Hopefully the industry will make a national office with the power to regulate things, but that is wishful thinking at this point.  Horseracing is going to downsize itself and not even realize it until it is too late.  The powers that be want to hold on to that perceived power and will damage the sport even more so then it already is.  The industry is really good at giving lip service, they are all talk and no action.  That will not change, even with Congress asking questions.  If the horse industry is to stubborn (or stupid) to help itself, then it is time to put it out to pasture and leave it to die.

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J.D IN OWENSBORO KY — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:59:15 GMT

The racing industry in the Commonwealth of Kentucky must be led by the stupidest people on the face of the earth. In their pursuit of the almighty dollar they have told the world that they could care less about the most important part of the equation and that is the fans (customers). The political leaders could not make everyone happy so they decided to again do nothing about the gambling issue and dollars that could be used in Kentucky to subsidise racing and help with the budget shortfalls are now going to other states where they are tickle pink and laughing all the way to the bank. They will even send busses to pick us up. Then you have Churchill Downs and the Kentucky Horsemen along with the Horsemen in Florida and other states who in their quest for more dollars have told all the racing fans (customers) that they could care less about them and they don't want their business and they can go elsewhere to play. Hey, send your money to New York or California we don't want it. Briliant don't you think. I guess being ranked 48th or 46th in education for so many years really does show.

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Michael E.Moneta — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:54:16 GMT

Horse racing has never been marketed the right way and will not be with Waldrop in charge at the NTRA.In a recent interview on a PBS broadcast the guy could not spit out the right answers for the triple crown purses.If the handle keeps rising (include what is going offshore )how can the sport be dying as they keep saying.Get someone who knows what they are talking about in charge and take care of the bettors.

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Bellwether — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:31:02 GMT

for the last fifty years most of the sport has hsd NO EXPOSURE OR REEL PROMOTION...that's about to change...Long Live The King!!!

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ofelia — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:33:51 GMT

Racing subsidy? After racing has squandered it's greatest horses by sending them to the breeding shed too soon, slaughters or abandons the losers, gluts the market with inferior/weak horses, drugs them and then races them into the ground; what is the subsidy for? Back in the day of racing greats, the wealthy owners bred for sport. Racing was not a business; it was a pastime. The goal was to breed a horse that could run, and run , and then run!! Stallions were personal property not commodities. Breeding the racehorse was an art in the day of Federico Tesio who bred TWO undefeated horses of several races (1. Nearco-line of Secretariat and 2. Ribot - line of Arts & Letters/Key to the Mint, broodmare line of Barbaro, etc.) Tesio was a man of modest means but possesed a boundless love and knowledge of the thoroughbred.

Subsidy? Gimme a break!

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Richard R — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:22:43 GMT

If horse racing were a real business where market forces determined who stayed in business and who left, then the handful of tracks' scenario is what we would have today.  The racing product stinks.  Short fields.  Meds to keep sore horses in training.  More meds to keep horses with breathing and respiratory problems in training.  Meds to make horses grow muscle and add weight.  Medication becomes an important handicapping factor.

What's the figure these days of the number of owners who lose money from their racing operations:  80%?  So the subsidies are already in place.  Subsidies from slots, subsidies from special state supplements to purses, subsidies from "appearance fees" for horses that don't figure in the purse distribution, subsidies from owners who are pursuing a hobby or like the status achievement from owning race horses, subsidies from tax write-offs for losing operations, subsidies from customers who have their winning proceeds reduced by the arcane practice of breakage not to mention the grandest subsidy of all, the obnoxious takeouts that are being levied on bets.

So racing is already subsidized to the point where it loooks like a welfare operation, and it continues to decline.  Like I said before, "If racing were a real business...."

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Frank D — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:07:49 GMT

The gambling aspect, betting strategies and having fun need to be accentuated.

Hank "The Hammer" Goldberg's and Kenny Mayne's gambling strategies need to be explained better. Why an exacta bet with a win back up bet?. What is the strategy for their Pick 3 selections? Accentuate how much money you can win with a huge trifecta, superfecta, Pick 6 carry over, etc.

I've had my fill of hearing about Kent Desormeaux's sons health issues, Rick Dutrow's substance abuse, murdered girl friends, sleeping in tack rooms, etc.

Show people how you can make some money and have some fun. That's what the casinos sell.

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Steve D — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:50:00 GMT

"First, the sport is still packaged first and foremost as gamblers’ entertainment."

Not sure what you are watching, bro. All I see is human interest crap and everyone hoping for a dead horse to report on.

Perhaps if racing actually was packaged as intelligent gambling, you'd see some improvements.