Derby Dozen (video) - February 27, 2012 - Presented by Shadwell Farm

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Bigtex — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:35:51 GMT

HASKIN! HASKIN! HASKIN! HASKIN!…

WHERE'S THE DOZEN FOR 3/05/2012???

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happyticket — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:18:39 GMT

btw i am not agreeing with dray on anything else just the fact that i felt mark v was robbed and el p should have been second. el p did bump into mark v hard enough that it appears that he had a slight stumble giving el p a slight advantage. once that still didn't put mark v away, and he fought back, el p's jock, i believe, decided to pressure him to the rail to slow him down and pinch off mark v. The move effected the outcome of the race, therefore, i think the stewards should have not denied the claim so hastily.

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happyticket — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:45:54 GMT

Wow, Draynay! That is the best comment you have ever posted. I believe Dray is right for once here. Back off the dray! I thought the very same thing when I saw the race. I am surprised that more people have not commented on the interference issue and that the stewards automatically denied claim. Mark should have been bumped up and the other horse dropped. That call made me sick.

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tonka — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:09:59 GMT

Steve,

I just had to smile after the Gotham. :)))) I knew he would do it. I am the one who left you a message at fb. I am glad you were smiling also. What a race.

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tonka — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:53:28 GMT

I guess Hansen answered some BIG questions today.He was totally awesome.

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Davids — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:52:50 GMT

Hansen, 1 dimensional speedball, think again. On a tiring track and a widish trip, Hansen wasn't stopping.

Perhaps the answer to the Holy Bull is a fresh horse and a wet track, as Mike Maker postulated. With some nice horses off the TCT, through injury, over the past week the Gotham result was a ray of sunshine - well, perhaps not for the other trainers.

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tonka — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:45:08 GMT

I guess Hansen answered some of thos e questions. What a race for a head strong colt. 12 wide patient,stalking, when asked did the job beautifully. This was not about the field he beat, but about how he ran the race. He answered my questions with an !!!

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El Kabong — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 18:10:24 GMT

Fans of SOLDAT(from last year's derby)

Look for him Sunday at GP to make his return on Turf. Love this horse and hope Kiaran McLaughlin is right about his preference for Turf.

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predict — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 09:08:50 GMT

Steve,

I noticed you mentioned The Lumber Guy, and I can't help but love this guys name. If he continues onto The Wood, you have to love the name for the race. I believe he Beyered a 90 in his Maiden breaker and then showed push button acceleration in the the Miracle Wood Stakes, which are signs of a good horse. I love the way this guy looks and think he might just be good enough to be a legitimate Derby horse, even though I don't think Derby distance when I see Grand Slam as the sire; can't wait to see what happens with him.

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7 1/2 Furlongs — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 04:58:20 GMT

Steve -

You are right about Liaison and the wager opportunity in Pool 2. If he redeems himself in next race, 50-1 is an overlay. Also,

I like his stablemate, Castaway.

What impresses me most about Castaway is his pedigree. Going as far back as the sixth generation, he has double doses of Ribot, Princequillo, and Hail to Reason. Can't name a more potent trio of distant relatives than this bunch.

If he learns how to settle behind horses down on the inside, we will have a serious contender for the Derby. Once again, thanks for compiling another awesome Derby Dozen list with honorable mention.

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The Deacon — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 02:25:42 GMT

Dr. D: Share the winning name with me, I haven't had a Derby winner since Street Sense..........you are correct, California does have some nice horses. I hope I am wrong and I sure would like to see west coast racing back on the map. The best we have done is a second place finish by Pioneer of the Nile in 2009. It has been quite ahile before that. Maybe Giacomo in 2005 if folks consider him a west coast horse.............good luck

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Davids — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:33:29 GMT

With regard to Dr D's 'theory on medication/maturation,' I believe the Breeders' Cup Medication Policy in a step in the right direction with large ramifications in USA racing overall.

Obviously, many trainers have voiced vehement opposition to the policy but an eventual 'drug' free World Championship of racing week-end can only improve the image of racing in the US.

Anyway, back to the TC and A.P. Indy, has anyone seen Take Charge Indy at Palm Meadows?

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Slew — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:10:50 GMT

(Sorry if this post twice. It didn't seem to take the first time.)

I hate to point out that Dray is a chalk player, so I doubt he had a cent on Mark Valeski since El Padrino was the favorite.

Dr. D.: Let me remind you, Eskenderya, Quality Road and I Want Revenge were not Bernardini progeny, but they failed to be in the starting gate on Derby day. On the other hand, Stay Thirsty, a Bernardini colt raced all last year without problems...only THAS was sidelined. There are a lot of Bernardini's out there, running just fine so...I think we're still ok.

I do, however, agree with Deacon, that Santa Anita has a souped up track for hyperspeed. However, when Cali horses went to Oaklawn, they still won big with Castaway and Secret Circle. So the form is transferring to other tracks.

For thrill seekers, watch Doug O'Neil's horses tomorrow. That lead pony is more than likely to be Lava Man who remains with the barn as a pony. I hope Gun Bow is taking notice. I'd love to see a photo of that.

And tomorrow I have my fingers crossed for Ultimate Eagle and Hansen.

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Forbidden Apple — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:07:50 GMT

My Gotham pick is Side Road. I'm going to box him up with My Adonis in the exacta.

I also think that Emcee is going to run huge in the Tom Fool.

Ultimate Eagle is also set to run the race of his life. After tomorrow he should finally get his due respect.

Look out for the return of Soldat on sunday, he is 100% class.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 20:20:19 GMT

The Deacon

Maybe I'm just being hopeful. I probably am every year but I feel pretty good about them this year. There seems to be so many good ones. You're usually right. We'll see after the big races outside of Calif. I've got the winning name for sure.

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Johnny — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:42:34 GMT

Steve:

You are a true professional to post that guys comments no matter how out of whack they are.

This is much more than another blogger for this site who believes in censorship.

Thank You

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The Deacon — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:23:04 GMT

Dr. D: I certainly could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. My reasoning is valid but a west coast super horse could come along I suppose, ala Majestic Prince. I have been to Santa Anita and the track is lightening fast, the horses are running out of their mind times. What would Spectacular Bid run 10 furlongs today, he holds the world record of 1:57 4/5 I believe. Now fast forward, go to a sandy track like Churchill Downs that is usually slow and then put young 3 year olds on the surface and see what happens. I just can't see it but who knows you are right as much as I am. By the time the Derby rolls around and the injuries taking their toll anything can happen..........

Keep up the funnies, the world needs more humor.

On a side note, maybe Steve can start a contest on naming Big Z's baby, winner take all. How about Bernyatta!!

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Dr Drunkinbum — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:26:23 GMT

What do you think about this theory- Later maturing horses likee AP Indy's and maybe Bernradini's are more likely to be harmed by Lasix and other medications. The body that matures late, is more vulnerable to meds that hinder the natural maturation process, and thus are more susceptible to being harmed by meds and more susceptible to injury. The bones and ligaments need a longer time to mature and if they are pushed too fast too early are more susceptible to injury with or without meds.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:13:19 GMT

nickie

That's quite a duo for Harrington. I'm rooting for both and Gaines with Midnight also. Out Of Bounds is very interesting. The West Coast is dynamite this year but The Deacon discounts the West Coast horses. I don't. With Algorithms out, I see the West Coast as being very strong. I love The Deacons posts but we often disagree about the West Coast horses. Usually he's right. This year he's wrong.

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Racingfan — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 01:38:06 GMT

Always love your lists Steve! I look forward to them every week! So much insightful information! Keep up the great work!

FYI:

Coldfacts is now posting on Jason's blog - don't know about you all but I don't think Draynay for Coldfacts was a good trade! LOL

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Ida Lee — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:02:24 GMT

The beautiful and extemely talented Union Rags has been my Derby horse since his first win as a 2-year-old. I've already had a dream of him in a blanket of roses...

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ROBBIEJOE25 — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:11:32 GMT

Thanks to the bloggers who have joined the Bloodhorse Bloggers league at RTTR contest again the league number is 833505011 and the access code is 619488159 come on and join and the invitation goes out to you as well steve

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Age of Reason — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:49:37 GMT

Bravo, Horsehead. I can tell you why Draynay hasn't moved on from the Risen Star, and it should be obvious: he had a chunk of money on Mark Valeski, and was mad that the stewards didn't help him thwart the rules to make money by declaring Mark Valeski the winner. In my thesaurus, next to the phrase "sour grapes", it says, "see also: Draynay". If his continuing psychotic hate-obsession with Zenyatta is any indicator, he will no doubt still be gnashing his teeth over El Padrino three years from now. Some people like to constantly revisit the past ("Hindsight is 20/20") as a cover for their utter failure to understand and predict events in the present. Such poor souls (if they have a soul) are surely well beyond our mortal ability to help. Can we move on now? :)

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Bigtex — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:43:58 GMT

I heard yesterday on 'At the Races' that the rail had become the worst place to be as the day went along on FOY day. I'm encouraged by that since I'd like to see DISCREET DANCER have a better showing. Sounded like he was fighting through that lane the whole trip. Should VELASQUEZ have known that, is my question?

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Steve Haskin — Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:26:14 GMT

Horsehead, thank you and amen.

Deacon, I dont know why he has decided to return here, but he's free to give his opinion. I'm allowing him to do so, but you are right about his attitude and persistence and disregard for other people's opinions. Now that he's made his point, as erroneous as it might be, on numerous occasions, he'll have to find a new high horse to mount. The subject is now closed.