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re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

KMan — Sun, 18 May 2008 19:58:32 GMT

Jess Jackson has plenty of money, but only one Curlin. Even at $100 mil for a stud deal that would barely register in his net worth. I doubt that the 20 percent remaining interest he has acquired concerns him too much, as it would probably only make a few million difference one way or the other to any sale plans. It's probably worth it for him to see the horse stay on the track. For IEAH the Big Brown deal will probably be by far the biggest they've done.

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

Long Time Race Fan — Sat, 17 May 2008 05:06:44 GMT

Personally I'd like to see Big Brown win big, both races remaining. If he does he WILL draw new people to the sport, he will probably get big endorsements (UPS anyone) and this will draw attention to racing as well.

But Big Brown has already shown himself injury prone. He is into the most gruelling schedule in racing and at the highest level. He is being asked to perform like never before. There are no foregone conclusions that he'll win the Triple Crown whatsoever. I pray he has a safe trip before I pray he wins.

Given his hooves, it would be more prudent to retire him sooner rather than later. God forbid he accomplished something amazing and then met a fate like Ruffian, Barbaro, or Eight Belles.

I agree that Sheik Hamdan's way of managing a stable is the better way. But remember, the Arabs revere the horses first and foremost, and frankly they can afford to be much more discriminating in their care and breeding. Don't forget every Throroughbred must trace its lineage to one of three Arabian studs.

I hope the Sheikh can affect bloodlines in a positive way. But for now, for American racing it has to be as much about the money as anything else. . . Its DARN expensive for these non-Saudi types to be invloved in!

So Good Luck and Go Big Brown!!!

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

joe — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:52:41 GMT

I see nore and more similarities between BB and Fusaichi Pegasus, who was also hailed as a triple crown horse after the Derby, only to bomb in the Preakness and later the Breeders' Cup. Rushed into the breeding shed, his initial fee has plunged. The Smarty Jones and FunnyCide crews were certainly more appealing triple crown players than the BB people.

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

Can't think of a good name to use here — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:09:25 GMT

For those that applaud Jess Jackson for keeping Curlin racing at 4, i'm thinking it wasn't for the sport of it. I'm thinking it had to do with the ongoing litigation of some of his owners. They want to get that out of the way before retiring the horse. I don't think keeping him racing at 4 was done for the sport of it.

But this is why i'm a fan of Sheikh Hamdan. He's not so quick to retire his horses. He will do right by them though, he will not risk an injury. When Invasor was hurt, he did right by him and retired him. If he hadn't gotten hurt, he would have finished out the year, his 5 year old year. We don't see many champions retiring at the ripe old age of 5 that often. He is also doing right by limiting his book to 85 mares. Unlike some that will breed to over 200. The way to get racing to how it used to be, with sounder horses, is to start with the breeder's. They made the changes we see on the track today. They are the reason we haven't seen a triple crown in 30 years. We can start by gelding Unbridled's Song.

As far as Big Brown is concerned, even if he didn't win the derby, i wouldn't have seen him running past the age of 3. Does it matter really if they announced that he would retire at the end of the year? It would have happened anyway. If he wins the TC, it wouldn't surprise me if he was immediately retired. Changes need to be made for racing to survive. And it has to start with the breeder's.

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

dud dew — Fri, 16 May 2008 05:48:51 GMT

(sorry) the clueless bunch (e.g.,

Zito, declaring today, before a string of followup nonsense, "..to keep the sport strong") at the top of the game don't get it, and never will (with a few welcome exceptions).

Others who are bright enough, simply aren't rich enough, given that breeding prizes are given disproportionately to the Derby winner).

Mandates from the Feds - no racing at two (y'can train at two, since SOME evidence suggests that's good for SOME horses), no breeding for horses who don't race a minimum number of races at four. Triple Crown for all horses four and up.

Qualifying festivals for threes, when their training, and not an arbitrary calendar, says they are ready. Modest, but sufficient prize-money for threes, big shift in that arena to fours and fives and sixes. Horses proving their strength and stamina, as well as speed, ON THE TRACK, OVER TIME, get to have the greatest influence in the gene pool, not the relatively unproven and potentially unsound adolescents who are today's Derby winners.

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

SnowWalker — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:42:45 GMT

I almost don't even want to see Big Brown win the Preakness (let alone the whole Triple Crown) when I hear things like "will not race at 4 years of age". I hope he shoots blanks! ;)

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

Mike — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:40:05 GMT

You all make very emotional arguments, and as a fan myself I truly appreciate your love of the sport, but realistically there is no way you can blame Mr. Iavarone and IEAH for striking a deal and retiring Big Brown after this season. Perhaps, in hindsight Mr. Iavarone would have rather not said anything about the stud deal (as it fell through today), but working towards one is no crime. While it would be great to see Big Brown continue racing through his 4 year old year, if you were his owner, I'm pretty confident you too would make the decision to take 40-50 million dollars for his stud rights as a 3 year old. Keep in mind, as well, that Mr. Iavarone is a Wall Street guy and he sets up his stable as a hedgefund. He invested (About) 3 million to purchase Big Brown and now is going to sell his rights for 40-50 million. Looks like a good investment to me. I'd join their stable any day.

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

Daniel R. Brooks — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:22:22 GMT

If you bet the farm in the Derby,you got well.Same game,parley it for another big score.A Rose and a Black Eyed Susan for a well deserving owner,trainer, and consumate jockey.

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

Dale H — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:23:57 GMT

On Saturday I will be attending my 23rd Preakness and for the first time I will not be rooting for the Derby winner. Given this week's announcement, a win by Big Brown would only serve to bolster the critics' arguments that owners are out for the big buck. At least they could have had the decency to wait until after the Belmont. Obviously what is good for racing and its fans is far, far down on their list of concerns if, in fact, it was even on their list.Ok....Someone give me the odds: Big Brown sweeps the Triple Crown and his connections announce his immediate retirement - for the good of the horse, of course.

re: Preakness Draw: In the 'Zone'

Carlo — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:15:55 GMT

What has ever happened to horse racing? As youngsters we never even knew about breeding plans nor did we care.We simply thrilled at the fact our equine heros were crossing the finish line.

Gone are the days of Affirmed,Seattle Slew and Alysheba.Days when you were sure a horse would run at 4 and maybe even at 5.

The people who own Big Brown are ruining our sport.Yes it's OUR sport...the fans. How can we support Big Brown and his bid for the triple crown knowing it is only a means to an end.

Greedy people indeed have found out this horse racing thing is a good way to make money but forget the race part ;let's hustle the poor horse off to the breeding shed and start raking in the hay!

In recent times champs like Smarty Jones,Street Sense and Hard Spun were all pushed into an early retirement.Kudos to the owners of Curlin for keeping their horse around.They know there are still thrills to be had on the racetrack,a few more records to be set,higher mountains to climb.

Horse racing is a sport about dreams and people who love money are trying to to take the dream away.

Poor Big Brown will do what his owners want him to do but as for me, I will be rooting for the gelding Tres Borrachos to run past the wire first!