thank you for the updates, i am so glad to hear nicky will be alright. everyday i look forward to news and updates. love you, nicky knocks, and look forward to seeing you again soon! bless you and continue to be safe.

You are a stunning beauty, heal well and you will have another day in the sun. Bless you Nicanor!

Great to hear!!  My bet is that we'll see some good things out of Nic yet.  Not winning a tripple crown race isnt everything.  Heal fast Nic!!

Matt

by the way, nicky knocks, you can stay in my barn anytime, you can also bring your brother. love you!

So, he will run again, and hopefully, with Edgar in the irons??  

So glad to hear the good news about Nicanor.  Heal hoof, heal, and God bless Nic and all of his connections.

Every time I look at his pictures I'm almost convinced that he is 15-ish hands tall....for sure below 16; and the articles and comments say he's 17?? Did Edgar grow or something? Look at the pictures of Eight Belles, she was 17 and she looks huge comparing to Nicky. Heel well handsome boy and show the world what you really got! Stay safe!

See, even Edgar said he "ran up right into there like that", so I think even Prado was surprised by his surge to the pack :). Nic's probably trash talking the other horses by now, waiting until he can show them "how it's done!" LOL Heal quickly, we'll be watching for your next race!

Windy City; I think Eight Belles was leggier than Nic; Cubs or Sox?

First, thanks so very much for today's update, which sounds good.  

What a relief to read only 8 comments on this more recent blog in comparison to the 321 comments on the previous one.  My fault!  That's what I get for missing one day, huh?  [laughing]

My thanks to Karen in PA (from previous blog) for sharing the link to a wonderful and short article on Nicanor's first race ...

bleacherreport.com/.../118223-nicanor-dust-or-a-diamond-in-the-rough  

How many times did I read Nicanor has "A trait that can't be taught!"  Hey, that sounds good to this fan!  Again, good article.

Wishing Nicanor a speedy but a very successful recovery.  He's in good hands, so that's what counts the most right now.  

I'm with you Windy City...I was there Saturday, up close, and that horse is not 17 hands tall. My OWN horse IS that tall, so I am pretty familiar with the height :)

I think because Nicanor is still kind of gawky and gangly, it gives him the appearance perhaps of being taller than he really is.

In the post parade and gallop back with the rest of the field, he wasn't towering over anyone else.

Of course, how tall he is isn't relevant to a thing, but just thought I'd throw my .02 in the ring on it.

Thank you for putting our minds at ease. Rumors were flying everywhere. Thanks to Mr Matz for putting everyone straight. Rest, relax and wait for another day, Nic.

Most excellent news.  I am sure we will see Nicanor back when it's time, and frankly a Kentucky Derby win is not every great horses' career.  Looking forward to seeing what Nicanor has learned and what he becomes.  

When you watch that race, his excelleration shows some interesting speed.  And he did show natural bravery.  Now that he got knocked around a little, stumbled, and sees what a race is all about, let's see if he digs deep and learns how to manage what he's got.

I guess that's what we all do every day, right?

So I look forward to watching Nicanor's story unfold, whatever it may be.

Loved Lentenor's video and can't wait to see more about him.

Maybe another jockey would help.

You have to say one thing for the Matz barn. They sure turn out a beautifully groomed horse.

Believe it or not, this may be a blessing in disguise.  Now Nicanor will have some time to heal up and to just train and learn the game of racing.  Looking at the pictures of the post parade, he still looks a little on the thin side.  If this is the case, when he is done growing, and he moves forward in his training, he should be a bear when he shows up again.  I would not look for him before the beginning of April.  It would be nice to see him run at Churchill, but no rush.  Even if it means you don't run until Summer, no rush.  We will all be here waiting.

Take all the time you need Nicanor,you sure are handsome.Love you unconditionally.This is just a bump in the road for you I know great things will happen.Take care!

Great news that Nicanor is ok.  Thanks for putting our minds at rest and great that there is so much less negativity on this site thus far!

The photos are lovely.

All the best for a swift recovery Nicanor!

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie

Nic should heal within 4 to 6 weeks, my mare grabbed her quarter when she was still showing and it took about that long to heal.  Mid-March we may see him again, but there is no chance now for him to go to the KD.  Maybe he'll make the Preakness and/or Belmont.  I watched the race from Saturday and I'm not convinced that Prado will be the best jockey choice for Nic, I think I'd like to see Garrett Gomez ride him.  Prado has too much of a connection to Barbaro and tried to ride him like Barbaro.  I'm just thrilled that Nic finally raced.  I'm looking forward to the 2yos starting their season this summer.  I suspect we'll see Lentenor run this summer, he is much more mature then Nic was at his age.  

As far as Nicanor's height - look at him in relation to the pony horse. He seems to be towering over him.

Hopefully he won't retire, that would be really disapointing. Hopefully not. Thanks for the update, he's a really handsome horse.

Thanks Amanda, the photos are fantastic. And here's to a quick and speedy healing process for Nicanor. And not so much to race him, but as anyone knows, a cut always feels much better after the protective scab has fallen away.

That's right, GINNIEJ -- traits that can't be taught . . .

In retrospect, aren't you shocked at how many people negatively pounced on Nicanor for one race ... this young horse's debut race???  It's really amazing.  

Whatever the story's outcome is, we are merely at the beginning.

Thanks for the report--sounds good! He should be back in a couple of months or so.

What beautiful pictures. He is beautiful, just like his bros.  And, how tall is he?  or is the pony just short?  I know Dynaformer is 17 hands so maybe Nic got his height from daddy and his looks from mama?  Anyway, I hope Nic will come back; it was very exciting to see him race. Just stay sound boy.  

One woman's "negative" is another woman's "realistic", I believe.  And it is deeply, dreamily unrealistic to think this horse will make a grade I race this spring, if ever.  I think Nicanor ran like a very green horse in need of more conditioning.  Maybe he will follow his sire line and succeed on turf.  Maybe he will mature into a reliable stakes horse at four.  But his connections are not stupid and they always do what is best for their horses so don't expect to see him on Preakness Day unless he's maybe ready to run in the Barbaro Stakes.  After one race, we knew Barbaro was something special.  Same for Curlin, Big Brown, Secretariat and all the other horse that folks use as examples of champions who didn't break their maidens at first asking like Barbaro did.  All I'm saying is, keep your expectations reasonable.  All the love in the world could not save Barbaro and all the love in the world will not make Nicanor a top three year old prospect any time soon.    

Grey K,

Just out of curiosity (and sincerely, not out of meanness), why does it matter to you if some of the horse's fans are unrealistic?

Does it really matter if some of the fans hope to see this particular horse in the Preakness or Belmont?

Was there, saw him live.  Very striking colt.  Appears he needs to fill out a bit, but that's normal.  I'd take it slow, not worry about any of the spring races, let him develop in mind as well as physical demeanor. Then you may have a nice summer and fall campaign where you can pick and choose your spots and end up with a fresh, healthy strong horse.

To try to emulate Barbaro is foolish, most honestly know that.  But having a decent horse that can finish this year well means the opportunity for a good four year old season, maybe longer.

Edgar Prado is an experienced jockey.He`s ridden many horses. I don`t think another jockey will make a difference good or bad.

The Pictures of Nicanor are just delightful, many thanks for them...

Edgar might be a little too aggressive a rider to suit Nicanor.  It was a perfect match with Barbaro, maybe not so much with Nic.  The more I watch the race, the more I wonder what the heck was that?  I would like to see Gomez (obviously!), or Johnny V., or, if they move Nic to the turf, Corey Nakatani.  Currently Nic has the body type of a Better Talk Now, and American turf racing could certainly use a champion turfer.  It would be a lot easier on his body too.  Yes, Michael Matz's horses are so perfectly groomed and physically conditioned.  Remember in last years derby Visionaire's coat was referred to as resplendid by Mr. Haskin!

Grey K -- reasonable and realistic or unreasonable and unrealistic, turf or dirt, like or unlike Barbaro, it's still the beginning of a story . . . Nicanor's story.  

And though I agree that the wonderful over ripe dreams of so many of the experienced as well as nacient fans may not happen (they do have a right to them), we are still watching a beautiful story unfold, and we are only at the beginning.  

BEAUTIFUL because of Barbaro, BEAUTIFUL because of the connections and that we know they will do all the right things for Nicanor, Lentenor and others to come. BEAUTIFUL because of the passions this story has engendered, the interest and money and commitment the FOB's and others have put on the table that would not have been there before for laminitis research funding, for The New Bolton Center, for thousands of rescued horses, etc.  

THAT means something.

And BEAUTIFUL because even if Nicanor, Lentenor, or any of the others to come do not achieve anything near what Barbaro did (after all, he was really amazing, and we didn't even see the heights he COULD HAVE/WOULD HAVE achieved), these FOB's and others would still have the greatest affection for those horses.

That's why I am really kind of piqued at those who denounce them as stupid, ridiculous, etc. Everyone has a right to their opinions, whether they come from and emotional or intellectual place, but is it essential to the strength of their position to skewer the other by denouncing them so absolutly?

However this story effects the hopeful, they have a right to it --even if the aspirations may seem out of line to others.  Is it really hurtin anyone? -- it may even have helped those who bet against Nicanor to make a little extra dough.

I am just happy that there is SO much attention on this "horse story" and the legacy of Barbaro because regardless of the performance outcome of Barbaro's siblings, this is some racing history we are a part of. Not all history is of grand achievement, but it is a story, and the fact that it is so affecting is interesting in itself.  

And in the hearts of so many of those here and elsewhere who want so much for Nicanor et al who may not reach it, it is indeed a story of "horse love" and that's a good thing.

I am thrilled to hear he doing fine!! I hope he heals up quickly so he can get back to racing and show some people that he has what it takes to be a great racehorse! I know he can do, and I wish other people had the faith in him as I do. Get Well Nicanor!! Love Ya!

In 2007, Curlin won the Preakness. He didn't even debut until February of that year.

Maybe Nicanor will make it into the KY Derby..., we'll just have to wait and see.

Perfect excuse for matz to keep this horse from racing, the horse wasn't ready and doesn't have the ability of his brother ,there are some very good 3 year olds emerging and by the classics nobody will make such a big deal about Nic who won't run in any of them or a major stakes race.Saturday 3 year old stakes will give the Racing fans a cleraer picture of the 3 year olds.

Can anyone explain what happened to the color of Nic's tail?  It used to be very dark.  Florida sunlight or something else?

The most thing is Nicanor came out of the race safe,that's what matters most!

TO KAREN,PA:

You make an interesting point. It's disqusting that many live miserable lives and in a sick way take delite on wishing terrible events on innocent animals!

nakayama, there is NO way that Nicanor will make it to the Kentucky Derby.  His injury is going to take a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks before Matz will consider a race for him, and probably 8 weeks.  He hasn't broken his maiden yet, which means he will not have the stakes earnings to qualify for the Kentucky Derby.  The best we could hope for would be the Preakness and/or the Belmont but likely Matz won't enter him in either one unless he breaks his maiden on his next race.

Edgar Prado is an aggressive jockey, as evidenced by his ride in last year's Preakness in an attempt to beat Big Brown.  He ran Riley Tucker so badly that the horse who was close to the lead for much of the race ended up DEAD LAST.  I do not think Prado's style suited Nicanor and I think Matz chose him for sentimental reasons.  Garrett Gomez has a more patient riding style which I think will do more for this young, inexperienced colt.  Even Kent Desormeaux would probably be better than Prado.  I do believe Nicanor has the speed and the talent to be great, but he is going to need more experience and a different jockey to do it.

I really don't think anyone here has wished a "terrible event" on Nicanor or any other horse, for that matter... and I've re-read all the posts, both here and the massive blog that went up right after the race. What I do see is a group that wants a realistic approach to this horse, and another group that ascribes wings to him. Granted, there were a few really rotten, snide comments like "I'm glad he lost", but none wished the horse ill. Come to think of it, that's a pretty crappy thing to say, anyhow!!

It is grossly unfair to place unreal expectations on this, or any other horse. They are flesh and blood and bone, and are breakable, just as humans are. They are living creatures who will never be able to reach the heights we are asking of them. Some try very hard, some try a bit, and some don't give a damn where they finish in a race. Some mature early, some late and others never. Human expectations never color a horse's approach to life. WE create the goals we want them to attain and sometimes they don't make it....SO WHAT??? We care for them anyway, whether they are Barbaro, Secretariat or Swan's Way (see www.oldfriendsequine.org ). It is true that   the outside of a horse is beneficial to the inside of man. But we have got to remember that Nicanor is still just a horse, not Pegasus. The odds are not good that he will become the best horse that ever looked through a bridle...no disrespect to The Bid...

We should just try to be reasonable about Nicanor and his little brother and any other horse you hitch a wagon to, and allow them to be real..........they are more fun that way.

TO RECHELLE:

If a respected trainer like Matz goes with Prado,then thats good enough for me.

TO 2 TIME VALLEY PLAYER OF THE YR.

Seems like we've heard this record before!

I, for one think he's beautiful, and I'm glad he's going to be okay.

Is there any truth to the rumor that, because of the ability he's shown, Mrs. Jackson will be using him as a foxhunter in Chester County this fall?

I agree Rechelle... what ever happened to Riley Tucker?  I was actually there that day, and I remember worrying about that horse (you just reminded me).  Edgar is too aggressive for my taste.  

Needler in VA, you are so cool... I enjoy every one of your posts.  The young kids on here should read them, and realize that it doesn't matter if Nic makes it to the Derby.  It isn't the be all to end all.  In fact, it has become kind of a scary proposition, and I am glad Nic will not be in it... or I would have a heart attack watching it.  Watching this horse come of age from the ground up has been quite an experience.  Everyone just learn from it... we don't know how it will turn out.  And as Needler pointed out, rejoice in all the horses.  They don't have to be champs to win your heart.

Think Nicanor would make a good steeplechaser someday.  He's big, strong, eager and has a turf pedigree.  Let him grow up.  Most 'chasers don't come into their own until six or seven years old.

He still needs time to grow into himself. He was foaled on March 15th, so he technically is still two-years-old, despite the January 1st rule for all Thoroughbred birthdays. He also may have been overwhelmed by such a large field--11 other horses is way different for a maiden that training with a stablemate in the mornings. Hopefully, he will heal, develop more mentally and physically, and make his next start on the grass.  

Mike Relva, I was not making the point that you interpreted other than that those who take a very positive and perhaps overly excited position about Nicanor should not be subjected to the kinds of denigrating commments and aggressive skewering that some of the bloggers were aiming at them.

No one's feelings or hopes should be demoralized in order to support someone else's more "expert"opinion. If someone wished harm to the horses, then they clearly have some problems.

We are entertaining each others' feedback, knowledge and experiences as well as our enthusiasms.  This is supposed to be a forum for a dialogue for those who enjoy Nicanor, Lentenor and all the connections as well as racing.

Just want to be clear, and I thank you for your feedback anyway Mike Relva.

To NEEDLER IN VIRGINIA: Thanks for the link to the Old Friends website. I'd argue that the horses who really need our love are those like Swan's Way; all those stallions who never make commercially viable studs; all those claimer geldings who have no place to go after their racing days are over. If starry-eyed horse lovers could turn their energy toward helping them, the racing world would be better for it.

I know what it is to be starry eyed over a horse. The very first racehorse I ever loved was named Bally Ache. He was the 1960 Preakness winner who died of a twisted intestine later that year. I was a very young child at the time, and that was my first introduction to tragedy. Yet here it is nearly 49 years later, and I still remember Bally. So I don't begrudge anyone their dreams of glory for their favorite horses. But pragmatism also has its place, because without it, all of the negative aspects of the sport will go unresolved.

Bally was buried at Bosque Bonita Farm, now called Lane's End. groups.msn.com/.../gailslexingtonpixapr03.msnw

Tiznowbaby I smiled when I read your post about Nicanor's turnout.  I commented on that way back when he was in training.  He actually appears to be wearing a bit that fits properly.

For the non-horsemen posting on here, grabbing a quarter isn't a quick fix.  A grabbed quarter finished the career of Rockport Harbor because it just wouldn't heal.  Not saying that this is as bad, but one should be prepared for the unexpected where horses are concerned.  

So I'm in a racing partnership, and have been dying to pull my horse's mane, bang his tail, and trim his whiskers.   Maybe our trainer would hire me.  :-) The best to Nicnaor as he heals.

Holy Buckets.  After trying to skim through some 400 posts, the over anlysis and speculation regarding this horse are more prevalent now that he has raced verses when he was unraced.  There is little to nothing known about this horse now, than there was prior to Saturday.  A maiden that grabs a quarter, stumbles, and is flagged by the starter with a flawed start doesn't win.  The fact that he sprinted and faded means very little, but so does the fact he sprinted in the first place.  There is nothing conclusive about that race that would suggest the level of talent, or lack there of, that he will have.  It was inconclusive.  He was certainly overbet as some suggested, more so than I ever would have believed.  However, some of these posts reflected, from a race, useless for evaluation border on lunacy.    Dynaformer and La Ville Rouge are a poor mating, are you kidding-wrong- the dosage indices and nick rating represent an above opportunity.  In fact, most strains within 3 generations crosssing Roberto with Mr. Prospector are excellent opportunities.  Prado is the wrong jockey, ridiculous, but even if you believe it, Garrett Gomez coming off of the SA meet to ride a maiden is more crazy.  Has he even ever ridden for Matz or Lael????  The connections making excuses, lunacy, what does Matz or Roy Jackson need to prove to a nay sayer on a blog?  Matz has been up front in his assesment of the horse, and is embellishment really his style?  The owner is worth nine figures whether you like his horse or not.  He would be if there was no Nicanor (or Barbaro for that matter)and like the trainer, is clearly not out to impress anyone.  Several of the best horse of all time lost there first race, yes, and many of the greatest would have lost in that MSW after the start Nicanor had, but as it has been pointed out there is absolutely no reason to believe he is in the same universe as Sectretariat, Bernardini, et al..  He may be good, he may not, same as when he was unraced.

Congress shutting down racing, yah right, however like every other industry, an over regulated environment will be destructive.

Does racing need Nicanor?  Maybe not, but it definitely needs what he represents: the following of new casual fans that can be converted to enthusiasts. That could lead to the replacement of  some sponsorship and advertising revenue; because while the wagering is the lifeblood of the industry, it cannot carry the torch on its own, which is widely documented.  The business model in racing does need to change.  If not Barbaro's family, something needs to account for a new fan base.

Great pictures and thanks for the update. Nicanor's fans, like myself, want him to be safe and happy. No matter how long it may take for him to heal from the injury, we will wait. We want him to be well.

Sometimes I think that everyone was pushing to get Nick to the track when he really has not had much training with his growing spurts.  Yes he did get a taste of racing and am sure that it helped him put a few pieces of the puzzle together.  As much as we want to see him race soon I really think we (the public) should let him take it slowly and at his own pace. I have stated many times before that Dynaformers get better with age.  So what if he doesn't race again until summer or fall, by then he will have a lot of his growth and size and we could see him running from 4-5 with success.  I for one am willing to give him that time, will miss seeing his blog if he is not getting ready to run but know that good things come to those who wait patiently.  Rest easy young man and take you time in learning and enjoy what you do on your terms.  I have stated win or lose you will be always have a bet from me.

Thanks for talking to Michael and for the great pics.

Barbaro will be remembered not only for his performances but for his fight to survive against the odds. Nicky is not Barbaro, but he has his own talents to be developed. If he continues to practice once he heals, and takes on races, and keeps on getting better and better, he may not show us that he was a really good racehorse right from the start like his big brother, but he may show us that you don't just give up after one (or more)races but you keep on fighting...keep on trying...until you win....or become a great racehorse...or even something else. But for now, just get well. The races can wait.    

to Mike R., dude you need some prozac, your too high strung everyone has a right to an opinion even if you do not agree, like i  said this  horse is  nothing like his brother and you'll hear the record again. He quit running when he got into the heat of the battle.You won't see him for awhile. Relax man these are only opinions and comments i believe to be true.this  is america the land of the free and free speech.

Considering Nicanor hurt himself and didn't show his best, I wouldn't start knocking Edgar right now. He did everything right in this race in my opinion. If Matz trusts him on the horse then that's all that really matters. I really like them together.

Nicanor is stunningly beautiful!  Thank you so much for the update on his health.  Will keep him in my thoughts and prayers.  Gosh he is gorgeous:)

Can anyone explain what happened to the color of Nic's tail?  It used to be very dark.  Florida sunlight or something else?

His tail is not bleached. Some bay's have silver or gold highlights in their tail. It's a genetic color thing. With low winter light behind him streaming through, it just made it glow like a river of silver, didn't it? Gorgeous picture. Gorgeous horse. Here's to healing well and staying healthy.

NIcky has a great career in front of him with a great trainer and jockey.  Racing season has just begun and remember "It's not over 'till it's over".  All the best Nicky and stay safe!!!

Brett, you do know this is a Barbaro and his brothers blog, right?  That name Bernardini just elicits the worst memories...

I think most people on this site who love Nicanor and Lentenor mainly want them to have happy and safe racing careers and do not think they are the second coming of Pegasus!!!!  It's ok to dream anyway!  If they do really well that will be great, but if not most of us will still love them!

Nicanor and Lentenor are generating a tremendous amount of interest, the numbers of comments they get proves that and surely that is a very good thing for racing generally!

I for one would prefer people to follow racing because they love and admire the beautiful horses and respect the people involved rather than as a means of getting money by betting!  I have nothing against betting in moderation but risking huge sums of money on a horse race does seem somewhat stupid to me!

However to love racing because of the likes of Nicanor and Lentenor and their connections does not seem stupid at all!!!!!

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie

KAREN,PA:

Good Point! But, I think others need to be paying attention to what you are saying,also.

oldgraymare-

I'd love to see him as a Grand Prix jumper! I'm MM could figure out how to get him there ...

Man in Havana is with a jumper rider in Chester County. If he has talent we may see him in the Amateur-Owners at Devon. Wouldn't that be great to have a jumper have such a following!

2 TIME VALLEY PLAYER:

That's right everyone has the right of free speech,but your problem is you can't handle that most don't agree with your account of Nicanor's race. I don't know how many horses you own,but in my opinion he didn't give up as you state. Looks like if you really have followed racing for 45yrs. you could realize that an injury can affect the outcome. As far as your statement about the "land of the free",etc. then you shouldn't be giving me advice regarding yesterdays blog that maybe I should put my horses out in a pasture. Tell you what,when you start helping pay my racing bills I'll start taking your expert advice. How does that sound?

Nicky, can make the derby, if he heals fast enough. and runs well. I dont care if he goes to the derby, or the preakness. Hes alive, hes beautiful, and hes fast. Some great race horses havent run in the derby, and they are great bc they ran well. Let him heal, and let him be nicanor.

To Helsbelles and For Big Red......thanks! I LOVE Swan's Way....talk about a hard knocking low level claimer!!! AND he has the sweetest disposition... as if he forgives all the crap he had to put up with. I'm not certain I could be that kind. He's the one I look for first when we are at Old Friends, even though we own a share of Creator....probably a tiny bit of his exceptionally fuzzy mane!

Back to Nicanor and Lentenor....I made the point VERY badly that expecting the moon from either of these guys is unrealistic and lines one up for disappointment. All I hope for ANY horse is a safe, pleasant life with hay, oats, water, a peppermint now and then, loads of love from owners, a mud puddle to roll in, and a big shade tree for a hot afternoon. All the rest is icing, AND if they can go fast and win a buck or two, then so much the better!

Cheers to everyone, and my thoughts are with anyone in Kentucky. who is expecting a foal any second now....may you have LOTS of light AND heat during the baby season!

Wow!  Love him or not, you have to agree this is one VERY POPULAR horse.

I certainly think that in view of what fine horsemen the Jacksons and Michael Matz are, there would be NO chance of seeing this colt foxhunting, grand prix jumping or any fences for a VERY long time!  Regardless of how he races, young horses aren't suitable for that kind of event. Most of your better jumpers are 10 yrs old and then some.  The strain on bones, joints and soft tissue makes racing stress look minor in comparison!  I think that there will be some demand for him at stud, in view of Dynaformer's advancing age, and the fact that he does carry all of Barbaro's genes.  I hope he does well in whatever he ends up doing!

Needler in VA you are just super cool. I think expectations were high for Nicanor because he is Barbaros brother. He may or may not achieve at that level. But I believe ther will always be a fan base for him no matter. Look at Eli and Peyton Manning. It happens but how often? Sometimes you are Sylvester and Frank Stallone.

Thanks Mike !  I'm with ya', and I think the tone seems to be calming down a bit, and some graciousness is taking hold, so I think it's all good.

Seems like you've seen a lot and lived a lot with horses in your life, and I wish you the best in any good work you're doing in that good effort.  The costs of horse care and feeding are tremendous, and my hat is off to you for what you put into your horses.

Your passion and care is obvious.

Best to all, as I think the majority of us have nothing but good will and passion in our hearts.

Looking forward to more from everyone . . . boy, Nicanor and Lentenor sure ARE popular, MJ !!

I remember reading about another horse who came out the starting gates badly in his first race and he went on to do amazing things! His name? Secretariat!

TO CASSIDY:

Just wanted to express my thanks for your kind words.

aduckworth - thanks for the correction on the height of Dynaformer.  I was assuming 17 hands is his height 'cuz it is listed on the online Stallion Register here on the BloodHorse.  Anyway, Nicanor does look very tall next to the pony but also very slender, so it may be Nic does appear taller, or the pony is just short. But, just like Unbridled's Song is listed as 17 hands, that can be true knowing Eight Belles was such a big, tall, beautiful girl; anyway, I'm just admiring the beauty of the horse and Nic is definetly a pretty boy. I hope we get to see him run again. Win or lose doesn't matter, just knowing he's Barbaro's bro makes him so special just to see him at all.

I just wondered why Lentenor had vet wrap on behind. Has he run down in his works or is it there just for support?

Thanks for the update and pictures! We really do appreciate them. So glad to hear Nicanor is healing ok. His health, after all, is ultimately more important than racing. Nicanor's owners, the Jacksons, and the entire Team Nicanor are doing what's best for the horse by allowing him to heal completely. In the end, it will be worth it. If Nicanor were not to go on to a real racing career, he will still benefit by being healthy and happy and he will still hold a special place in my heart as well as those of other family members and friends. And if he does continue on to a successful racing career, he will still have the best chances of winning many races if he is healthy and happy within himself.

He looked great...Matz would not have run him if he wasn't ready.  Nic made some good moves in the race...looked like he was just trying to find his way.  If he never runs again and/or never wins a race, I still think he is amazing...just like I think ALL animals are amazing creatures...with more empathy, love, and understanding than the majority of humans.  If Nic could write, he would probably say thanks to all his supporters, he's sorry if he disappointed anyone, he tried his best, and he'll keep on keeping on as best as he can...he's still learning.  All Creatures Great and Small, some of us just love them all.

LONG LIVE THE KING!!!...

If you believe public pressure and public expectations had anything to do with when and where Nicanor raced, you're the nut! Just because Nicanor's fans wanted to see and hear everthing about him doesn't mean his connections were pressured to run him.  I defy anyone to produce proof that says Nicanor's connections were ever unrealistic in their description of him and the plans that were in place for his future. It's beyond belief that so many are against innocent dreamers and lovers of this horse, banging their heads against the wall because a few people use the wrong terminology, ranting and raving because someone wants him to be in the derby. Who in the hell cares if they seem uninformed about the odds or chance that Nicanor will make the grade. It's heartwarming to know they are interested enough to join in and be counted as fans. Embrace them and encourage them, maybe, just maybe, there's a potential owner, trainer or sponsor out there among them. To - OLD GRAY MARE and 2 time valley player of the year -  Be glad I don't monitor this blog, anytime I saw your comments I would hit the old "hammer to the brain button" and see if some common sense could be found. Give it a rest, you're not funny, you're not smart and you're not entertaining. You are hateful and boring.  kudos to those of you that supply articles and web sites that pertain to Nicanor. That's what we need more of, knowledge and input from informed sources. Poo-poo on non- believers, Nicanor will run again! I know it can be a serious injury but Michael Matz said he's doing fine and thats enough for me. Some one likened it to getting stepped on from behind, I was at the 84 Olympics and saw Mary Decker go down when Lola Budd steped on her heal, dashing the dreams and hope of a nation for the womens 1500M medal. Lola Budd ran barefooted. If thats like Nicanors injury, yes he displayed great courage in his debut. I have no doubt about his abilities, I saw a willing and determined young horse ZOOM into the crowd, that takes heart and nerve. Nicanor has his fathers fighting spirit, thats what I saw. Dynaformer and La Ville Rouge's connections should be very proud right now, they have produced a very nice colt. As beautiful as the day is long.

Why not a a durable sturdy boot to protect the quarters, as it appears on occasion, that overstriding yields the front hoof not getting out of the way soon enough.  Forging is painful, and many a shoe can be riped off due to hind hoof striking the front. Some type of boot that the toe of the hind hoof would slide off of without any damage.  With all the technology, one would think that we would have developed front leg protection for a running Thoroughbred.

Horsenut 23 - Cubs :-)and Arlington Park... ;-)

There is one way for Nicanor to get into the Kentucky Derby. He would have to win his maiden in the Florida Derby. But he would have to be completely healed and train hard for at least two weeks before the race. I watched his race on HRTV. Nicanor went right into the gate, looked around at all the other horses like he was sizing them up. Bottom line is, he needed the race. Nic will do just fine next time out.

Nicanor looked gorgeous in his race day photos--I'm so glad he is doing well!!

There will never be another Barbaro - he was so beautiful - his brothers have some very big shoes to fill - but they are so beautiful - I think Lentenor looks more like Barbaro - I'll pray for their safety throughout their racing career - i'm sure we'll see them in the winner circle.  Love to all of their connections.

What about the birth of the new colt: La Ville Rouge/Dynaformer, when is he due? Soon I would think? Wow, just cant wait.  

Nicanor, my sweet one just cant wait for you to be recovered from injury racing in the fall will be fine with me.  

anyone watch the repeat HBO documentary on Barbaro ( for me its still so sad and hurtfull) It is forever in my memory.Such a sorrow for all of the wonderful horses that have died: Barbaro,Eight Belles,Pine Island,George Washington to name a few the list is just too great.  Changes really must be made for the horse.

Gosh Nicanor you are handsome. Edgar and you are quite a pair. You compliment each other. KAREN,PA-- you said all the right things. All the FOBs will always be a fan of yours Nicanor. God bless you, MM, PB and Edgar. Hope your booboo doesn't sting to bad.Did I mention how stunning your pictures are?? Looking forward to next great adventure

Glad to hear nicanor is doing well. I'm glad there are no plans set for him just yet.  They will let him heal and no doubt we will see him again. Live long and be happy big boy!!! love ya.

Breezin - I'd like to share some insight. He most certainly does not carry all of Barbaro's genes. And I think that's what perpetuates all the crazy pie-in-the-sky talk here. Hope I explain this well, but be forewarned, genetics is boring.

If Dynaformer and LaVille Rouge each contribute one gene, then the offspring has a 50:50 chance of receiving it. If they each contribute 2 genes(let's say, hoof size and endurance) then there is a 50% X 50% = 0.25% chance of getting both genes to the same offspring. If you have 7 genes, the chance is less than 1%. Now, imagine over a thousand genes - heart size, endurance, tail color, etc. It really becomes almost iimpossible for, as it is overstated in these blogs, "lightning to strike twice".

Regarding your observations about grand prix jumper, I agree. He's too youg. But I still think this magnificent horse will be riding to hounds in the next year or two. Tally Ho!!

Just to remind everyone that Edgar Prado is in the Hall of Fame. That race unfolded like a lot of races do for first time starters. He broke slow, rushed up and faded. Nine out of ten horses who break slow and rush up fade just like he did. And, then he grabs a quarter which had to be somewhat painful and not experiencing that before he was very uncomfortable mentally and physically.

helsbelles, why would there be any negative thinking towards Bernardini?  It wasn't Bernardini's fault that Barbaro broke down in the Preakness.  IF any other horse in that race caused any injury to Barbaro, it MIGHT have been Brother Derek (there was some question of if BD accidentally stepped/kicked Barbaro in the leg that broke at the start of the race).  However, most likely it was a freak accident, possibly caused by Barbaro breaking through the starting gate before the start of the race.  

Don't hold bad thoughts towards Bernardini, he did nothing wrong and ran a spectacular race in the Preakness, as well as the rest of his career.

That is one beautiful horse....He has a bright future, wait and see, it will take some time for him to further mature. He has a great trainer who puts the welfare of Nicanor first, this is the way it should be. I have seen him working out at Fairhill in Maryland, he is a very large handsome colt....God speed Nicanor, we love you....

It does not matter that Nicanor did not win his debut.  Barbaro touched my heart, and with love I will follow the career of Nicanor, Lentenor and the little guy that will soon be born to this wonderful family. I hope that someday I can have the privilege of seeing Nicanor in person. I followed Cowtown Cat's through his 3 year old season and went to Lone Star Park to see him race as a 4 year old. It did not matter that he did not win, it only mattered that I was lucky enough to see him in person.  Like Cowtown Cat, I will be thrilled to follow Nic's career and maybe someday see him race in person. Best Wishes Nicanor. Your true fans will always be here to cheer you on.

it was such a treasure to watch barbaro grow, now we are watching nicanor, lentenor, and coming up with babynor. i will continue to watch and pray they be blessed with good health and lots of love....

Ragsy, La Ville Rouge is due in late February.  She is carrying a colt.

For Big Red,

I went to the website and saw the grave marker for Bally Ache, very pretty.  I watched a movie, Phar Lap, and fell in love w/ horses.  Throughout my life, I have thought of Phar Lap and found inspiration from his story.  I have collected several things from the 30's about him.  It is amazing how these animals impact us in such an emotional way.  Most of us on this blog get that, we feel that that words can't adequately describe.  

I wish La Ville Rouge/Dynaformer would get it together and have a filly.  They need to have a horse conversation about that.  :)

To Dona,

Your post (2/3/09 11:41)should be placed at the top of all the upcoming Nic blogs. You brought everything into perspective. Maybe we can recommend that the naysayers would be better spending their time listening to conservative talk radio and let us, the fans, enjoy these beautiful animals.

Sandieh, "Babynor"?  Cute and clever!

Now, I'd like to respectfully ask tha those of you  with professional horse experience on this blog, please identify yourselves.  Would love to know wpecifics, but would like to know who I am talking with before I offer an uninormed comment or opinion.  I am strictly a fan, with no experience whatsoever, but lots of opinions! What about the rest of you?  There are certain of you who sound very informed and knowledgable and whose opinions I would like to hear much more of.

Ruffian

I have one thing to say about this last race.  THANK GOD it was Prado that was on Nicanor. God Bless his heart.  

Does anyone have an update on how he is doing?  I haven't read all the blogs yet.  

Rechelle, I don't hold bad thoughts towards Bernardini, or any other horse.  I fully admit I displayed a purely emotional knee-jerk reaction upon reading his name here.  Of course what happened that day is in no way Bernardini's fault, and he is a beautiful horse.  But, I don't believe I'm alone in not fully embracing him-- unfair as it is.  Because of what occurred that day, he was not as popular as he deserved to be.  His name will forever be linked to the pain of Barbaro's tragic demise.  Ok, let's move on to more cheerful things now...

It's nice to see everyone starting to get along on this blog! See, it can be done! Just ignore the naysayers, they just want to have something to argue about again, focus on all the POSITIVE comments here instead.

Windy City: Go Cubs! diehard fan, and I live in the south suburbs,near Balmoral :) !!!!!!!!!

Stardust: I think that is why they keep getting together, looking for that girl ! :) I know all too well after having "My Three Sons", and I just had my first grandbaby-it's a GIRL !!!!! So, there is a chance for La Ville Rouge/Dynaformer after all !!!!!!:)

will keep my fingers crossed that nicanor heals up fine, and races this summer.

stardust, i thank god that edgar was riding to, a very experienced jockey who knew when to back off a bit. but i can only bet his heart was in overdrive until he knew nicky was alright. may he continue to be safe.

Mike Rev, you are incorrect i have no problem with differing opinions but apparently you do, as for your main point that the horses safety was the most important thing from any race, that's the chance they take they are race horses and breakdowns happen , i don't wish that on a horse or human, i suggest  you keep your horses in their stall 23 hours and walk them 1hour[if you really have any] and don't race them. Dude you do need something to alleviate your stress , your the one who can't stand when the truth be told, He QUIT! that's my opinion and many others, this is not ment as bashing of the horse just my opinion as i saw the race now go feed your horses and pet them , you'll nevver have A WINNER with your training theory and babying.Any athelete who is serious trains hard and results show the more you train the better you become at your sport, if your theory was followed we'd have no serious horse racing , maybe trotters that's it. Relax have a beer or take some valium these are only opinions, if he wins in the future i'll eat crow and congradulate matz and the horse but so far he's not impressed me with the race or workout times.It'll be along time before he goes back to the races he needs serious work and improve his workout times.That's my blog  opinion, so don't get bent out of shape!

Dona, Dona the Prima Dona, personal attacks don't bother me, its only a blog.Apparently unless everyone shares your same opinion you feel like you have to attack with words, go right ahead its  your right as a American citizen , freedom of speech.I found your blog very amusing.the horse is beautiful and that will win a races for him.now your all fired up and ready to send a attack blog, smile and make it vicious.

I think we are all trying to analyze a situation that was what it was,first race we all had high expectations maybe we are at fault for that not Nicanor.He sure is handsome isn't he!

2 time valley player of the year, it isn't good for ANY horse to be in a stall that much.  I've got a 16yo Hanoverian/Thoroughbred mare that has retired from showing and she spends actually most of her time in a pasture with 10 other horses.  I had tried to keep her in a stall when I first got her and she kicked the walls, cribbed all the time (chewed the wood) and was basically a miserable brat of a horse.  I turned her out with the others and she is happy as a clam, and hasn't suffered any more serious of an injury that being kicked.  A horse in a stall gets bored and acts out.  A horse that is allowed to BE a horse is happy and more relaxed.  

horsenut23

Yeah well they just need to keep on trying.  Sooner or later they will get it right.  If she has 20 foals and they are all colts, just think of all the fun we will have cause of all of Barbaro's siblings.  Heck, we may get to the point where "every race" in the Breeders cup is won by A La Ville Rouge/Dynaformer horse.  Wouldn't that go down in the books of history!  That may even make it as this last election.  

That would be great.  EVERY single race in the BC was won by a brother or sister of Barbaro.  That would be so cool  :)

sandieh

I can only imagine what was going on with Edgar.  He was devistated with Barbaro and just in the parade, it sure did take me down memory lane with those layel colors and Nicanor.  Then the injury coming out of the gate.  WOW too freaky for me.  I trust Edgar 100% and feel he is the only jockey that should be on Barbaro's brothers.  Had it not been him on Babaro, I don't think that horse would have been stopped as fast.  I believe that Edgar had a huge part in saving Barbaro that day.  I have a huge amount of respect for him and the rest of the Barbaro family.  THEY GET IT!  :)

Agree totally with Audra about animals - we could learn a lot from them especialy as a lot are totally unconditional and very forgiving!  My dog is anyway and my chinchilla,hamster and gerbil!

Also agree about Bernrdini.  Barbaro's death WAS NOT his fault! He was a wonderful racehorse who will hopefully be a great stallion.  As hopefully in time Nicanor and Lentenor may be!

Is there anything to prevent horses from "grabbig a quarter" available which can be used to avoid it happening to Nicanor again?

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie

Abbie.  What is this about Bernrdini?  He is a wonderful horse.  He didn't do anything to hurt Barbaro.  I love that horse.  It is sad that he had the bitter/sweet win but where did this come from?  Maybe I haven't read everything on here.  I don't think that Barbaro's injury was anyones fault.  It's sad that it happened and very glad he had Edgar on him.  Edgar was an Angel for Barbaro that day.  

TO 2 TIME VALLEY PLAYER:

I'VE NEVER SAID YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION. YOU MADE REFERENCEREGARDING YOUR OPINION THAT HE QUIT,OK FINE.BUT,IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE OTHER NOTES POSTED ON HERE AND OTHER BLOGS MOST DON'T AGREE THAT THE HORSE QUIT. GET A REALITY CHECK! YOU SEEM EAGER TO HAND OUT ADVICE HOW I SHOULD TRAIN MY THREE HORSES,HERE IS SOME ADVICE,GET A BRAIN! I DON'T NEED DRUGS TO CALM DOWN,I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I SEE YOU IGNORED MY PIECE OF ADVICE TO YOU FROM YESTERDAY WHEN I STATED IF YOU WANNA TELL HOW TO RUN MY HORSES THEN YOU NEED TO PAY MY BILLS! YOU ARE WAY OVER YOUR HEAD,PERIOD. YOUR PROBLEM,ONE OF THEM IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE "A BULLY ON A PLAYGROUND" THEN YOU NEED TO REALIZE THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU! IT'S YOUR BUSINESS AND RIGHT TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION,BUT DID YOU THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU ATTACKED THIS HORSE,CALLING HIM "THE NEW GREEN MONKEY" AND A "STIFF",QUESTIONING THE CONNECTIONS METHODS AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT EVERYONE WOULD AGREE? GUESS WHAT,THAT'S MY RIGHT TO DISAGREE!

TO DONA:

You are on point! Can you believe some of the people( giving them benefit of the doubt that they are actually human) that's on this blog,lol?

TO DANZIGGIRL: Yes, Secretariat did lose his first race. Years ago I had the privilege of having lunch with Red's trainer, Lucien Lauren. Lucien always said that Red should never have been beaten. He blamed the jockey for that first loss. One loss, in the '72 Champagne Stakes, was a controversial disqualification. Red actually finished 1st. Lucien blamed himself for Red's other three losses. The story of Secretariat is too long to get into here. So I just want to remind folks that, going on 36 years after his wins in the Kentucky Derby and Belmont, Red still holds the Derby and Belmont records. His 2:24 for the 1 1/2 miles in the Belmont is still a world record for that distance on dirt. A horse like that comes along once, maybe twice in a century, and I don't expect to ever see his like again in my lifetime.

TO ALL: That being said, I have loved many racehorses over the years, too many to name them all. But the love I had for the sport since childhood began to weaken with Ruffian's breakdown and only accelerated with each such incident since then. For me, Barbaro, Eight Belles and the breakdowns of other recent stars are just the latest in a string of tragedies, each one taking a piece of my heart. So, over the past 10-15 years, I have not involved myself with the sport like I once did. My point being that racing loses far more fans and potential fans each time one of their stars goes down during a big race than it ever gains through other means.

All of you who love Barbaro and his brothers can best honor them by pressuring the racing powers that be to keep up efforts to improve safety for the horses and the people who work around them. True, breakdowns and injuries can't be prevented 100%, but that's no excuse for doing virtually nothing, which was the case until very, very recently when the sport was embarrassed by all the breakdowns in its premier races. Also pressure the racing PTB to provide ways to retrain and place horses whose racing careers are over, and who will not go to the breeding shed. Without such improvements, all these blogs are so many useless words, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." (Shakespeare)

I agree Stardust.   I followed Barbaro's progress via the Bloodhorse and Brisnet Bloodstock journal websites every day and was willing him to live and praying that he would.  Edgar was terrific the way he stopped him so fast and kept him calm. Ad he often visited as you all know.  There is No doubt whatsoever that he loved Barbaro. Hope most jockeys do love the horses and believe they do.  Pretty pointless being involved in the sport if you do not!  

Someone said something about Bernardini but this is a site with so many comments on it so that it is impossible to keep track of them all and i skip the negative ones anyway!  Just caught the name of a great favourite of mine so slowed the scrolling down!

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie

Can we behave ourselves here?

Do you want Amanda to shut this blog, and future blogs down, because some people have to personally attack others? The personal attacks need to stop, I for one don't want these blogs to stop. Let's keep our opinions to the subject of Nicanor & connections, NOT each other, okay?

Thank you in advance!

Thanks Bonnie,  for your kind words.   I admit to seeing red when creeps come out from under their rock and make stupid remarks about a horse that just put his life on the line for the world to see. Nicanor and all the other race horses deserve our caring and admiration for what we humans put them thru. That goes for all animals, both domestic and wild. It's galling to see how animals are bred and raised for profit and some never get descent humane care. Puppy mills for instance and racehorses slaughtered in Puerto Rico just because they're not fast enough in some owner or trainer's opinion. It's sickening. I think anyone using an animal to make money has the duty to ensure that animal has proper care for the rest of it's life. Who speaks for the horse if not the public at large. Why can't some of the money the likes of Storm Cat generated over the course of their breeding careers be put aside for the offspring that will never have an option of retirement or death. I don't care large or small operation, they have no right to create an animal unless there's a plan for the subsequent caring of that animal and the costs involved. Don't have the money? Don't get in the business. Don't have a plan? Don't get in the business. Get a job, start another business but stop breeding animals that are doomed to a life of mistreatment and horrible death. I just want to scream when I think of Ferdinand and how he must have felt when he realized what was happening to him. They do know something horrible is going on. Yes, the lesser known face the same treatment but he was a Derby winner. Don't we all say how hard it is for a horse to get to that winners circle. We all share the blame for what happened to him. Sometimes good people do bad things, that's why we need watchdogs and regulations. Not everyone can be trusted especially when it comes to a matter of money. Some people act like Mr and Mrs Jackson did wrong by Our Man in Havana. Are you serious? He has a good home and is well cared for, oh if only all could have the same fate. See words and opinions are not to be used lightly, sometimes they're like weapons and can be turned against you. Bad mouthing Nicanor or his connections makes no sense whatso ever, sometimes you should keep your opinion to your self. I don't remember anyone saying this is going to be a blog for opinions. I remember reading that this was going to be a blog to track the life and times of Barbaro's brothers and our opinions and comments were welcomed. In the begining it was exactly that, then someone wrote on the bathroom wall "have something stupid and mean to say" or " have a mean spirited opinion of life in general", go forth and be envious of the masses. Here they are, claiming their right to be heard. Pity.  This is Dona, the Prima Dona, signing off. Boy, if only my friends and family would treat me like one. Would'nt that be swell?  Renee Flemming has nothing on me!!  

TO HORSENUT23:

I couldn't agree more,you are correct,but if you look at the individual that lit the fuse,you will see if wasn't myself. I'm merely responding to an individual that hasn't nothing but insults and disdain for Nicanor and some of the readers here.

Thanks Mike for the mention, your're okay by me. Owning horses and ensuring their welfare creates a special place for the likes of you. Good to have you on this blog speaking out as an owner and a fan. Knowledge and sincerity are very much appreciated and most welcome.

oh my, I spelled Renee Flemings name wrong. Guess that takes away my Prima Dona standing. Back to my career as a devout fan!  Feel better, Nicanor. Mr Matz said you were a little sore. Hope your oats taste good and the water is always cool. Does your stable buddy have a name?  Love you, your little Bro, all those who care after you and for you.

2 time player of the year I suddenly realize how much you  LOVE Nicanor.  Your here all the time.

Thanks for watching those Barbaro brothers.  They hook you in don't they?

Here are some interesting facts when worrying about Nicanor:

1. Sir Barton-first triple crown winner, was a maiden when he won the Derby in 1919. In fact, he was coupled with the highly regarded Billy Kelly.

2. Man O' War routinely lost to Golden Broom in racing trials because he was learning to use his size to advantage. Golden Broom was the quicker colt, but Man O' War ended up the better of the two.

3. Secretariat was 4th in his first start to Herbull. Remember him? Didn't think so.

4. Nicanor's race the other day looked a little like Big Brown's Belmont, didn't it?

5. Arazi was considered a sure thing, and finished off the board in the Derby

6. watch Donnaguska's first race and then compare to Nicanor. Where's her fan board?

My points here are that the best horses don't always finish first, and the highly regarded ones can fail. Donnaguska, by the way, ran a lot like Silky Sullivan in her first race and really hasn't duplicated that effort. Nicanor moved nicely, as one poster said, and then faded, probably from the pain and excitement. He may need one or two more races to win.

Mikie R, take some Prozac, you have no answer just a excuse the horse "Quit running" in the heat of the battle, face reality , this was a not a hollywood movie script, he came back fine[you did save the  race on your DVR right watch it again no limping or signs of distress]if he was  hurt so bad why did matz get him back on the track jogging  2 days later dahh some injury? As for your bills I doubt you have any horses and if you do they probably have flowers attached to their ears, so keep babying them . Your started the mouthing off with the personal attack and need to chill out go pet your so called race horses but be careful you don't injure them , what do you want to do next take away the jockey's whip -calling it cruelty to animals. Nic showed nothing special  in his works and in his debut why don't you call matz and tell him about your so called novice training method maybe that will get Nic into the winner's circle.I am sure those bettors who went to the windows and bet him feel the same way a "stiff in his first race", I don't care what other bloggers say or feel everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is America !By the way at least The Green Monkey didn't quit in any of his races he just wasn't very good.

Dona.  I so agree with you.  Poor Ferdinand.  My GOD!  That was horrible.  People that own horses or any type of animal should be responisbile for that animal for life.  If THEY can't take care of it OK then find someone who can.  What in the world is so hard about that?  My blood boils when I think of that poor horse that won the Derby and then wound up with such a horrible ending.  I just know he was crying inside trying to figure out what he did wrong :(  I don't even want to say how I really feel about all of that.  I like my freedom.  That was just the straw that really nailed it for me.  I think that these owners should be responsible owners before, during and AFTER the races of ALL of the horses.  After all, THEY ARE THE OWNERS!!!  Just because the horse stopped making them money?  My God what type heart do these people have?  These horses are very precious animals and they are more than JUST an animal. They are part of the family.  At least to me they are.  OK I better stop before I say something that will upset Amanda.  Man God Bless Nicanor and ALL of the horses.  They ALL deserve a good life.  Who cares if they cross that stupid finish line a half a second before another horse.  BIG DEAL!  They are still very special animals and they have so much to offer.  

Dora , Dora the prima Dora , if you and mikie don't like what I say don't read it, there are more important things in life then getting all stressed out because of someone's opinion,he Quit running accept reality- I don't hate the horse just telling it the way I saw it, name calling and insults won't change the fact He was a "stiff" in his first race. I'm sure many of my fellow New Yorkers would agree with that statement.

Mike Relva:

I truly respect you and your opinions, and I know who the troublemakers are, but we do have the responisiblity of whether we feed into their "anger" or not. I was in management for 20yrs,( lost my job last May). I know all too well how NOT to respond to people like that, you just don't! Responding to them fed their "fire". I know it is hard when it is directed AT you, but rise above that(and them) and just ignore them. It was a very personal attack about your training methods and such, but they like to push buttons to get people going. Everyone's best option is to ignore, nobody get pulled in by their taunts, and only answer the "positive" bloggers.

I have never owned a horse, probably never will as I've never had the funds(or will), but I have ridden in the past and take lessons now,have always taken an interest in horseracing(hit the KY barns back in the 60's) as well as volunteering at 3-day events, I adopt dogs, and was very moved by Barbaro's plight. I am humbled by those who have had the pleasure of working with horses for most of their lives, I can only wish it had been me. We are here as a POSITIVE INFLUENCE on racing, let us all try to remember that (even the naysayers)and continue on with our support of Barbaro's connections, and all thoroughbreds, lets keep them safe!

Thanks Amanda for the update on Nicanor.  I am very happy to hear the he will be fine.  Right now I just want him to rest for the following weeks until he heals. Even though he lost his first race that is not important right now what is important is that Nicanor is ok and will be fine and to hope that he will have a happy life right now.  I don't care if we wins or looses in the future I just want to see him safe that is all that matters to me.  Nicanor I will always be your fan even when you don't win you will always have a really important place in my heart.  Hope you get well soon and hope to see you strong and healthy again.  Although you look gorgeous in your first race.  Thanls again Amanda for the update on Nicanor.

Big Red:

thanks for your words of wisdom!

I understand what happened with Bernadine, he was rather tossed aside with the tragedy of Barbaro, but we all love him.

Thanks horsenut23 for your wisdom. I sometimes get carried away sometimes. I will try to adhere to your suggestion.

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful!  Love to see the horse so perfectly turned out.  The outstanding grooming must be reflective of Michael Matz's days in the top show rings (& Olympics).  That barn really does a great job.  Contrats and best to all of you!

Wow, Nicky. Even though you didn't win, boy are you fast! Watching you brought tears to my eyes because you so reminded me of your big brother! Good luck with your boo-boo! Can't wait to see you race again!

First of All, Nicanor did great for his first race, He showed speed, He listened to Edgar, He will be fine once he heals, NEXT, Everyone that is here for Barbaro's Brothers NEEDS to ignore these IDIOTS that make hateful remarks, they only do this because they have no life, heart, common sense, etc...., IF we ignore them, they will go away.......Trust me !, With that said, Get Healthy Nicanor.......

MIKE RELVA   horsenut23 is right.  You have positive and good things to say about Nicanor and the horses.  When people come to a blog like this and they put down the horse that this blog is dedicated to, what does that tell you?  It tells me that they just want to upset people.  Don't pay any attention to them and they will get bored and go away.  Really they don't have anything positive to offer so why even bother reading their posts.  If you see a name that you know the post will upset you, just don't read it.  Scroll by it and go to the next one.  It isn't that hard to do.  :)  I like your comments.  They are educating and they are good comments.  Keep them coming.  

I am glad that Nicanor is getting better.  Again.  Thank GOD for Edgar.  

Ferdinand wasn't just an esteemed Kentucky Derby winner-- as a four year old he was Horse of the Year and champion older male, winning the Breeder's Cup Classic.  If I remember the story correctly, after he was sent to Japan one of his owners lost touch with him.  And then after a prolonged attempt to find him discovered it was too late.  I really don't understand;  If it was about money, then why didn't the guy responsible for this heinous act make an attempt to sell him back to his multi-millionaire owners.  Maybe it was for darker reasons.  

For Big Red:  Perfectly stated!  I agree and commiserate with everything you said.  Although, I do think it is vital that people voice their opinions (thank goodness for blogs and the internet), otherwise it will be assumed that we are accepting of the status quo.

With Nic resting his sore foot, I thought I would take the time to ask of all of you for some guidance.

As I posted before, I did the run of farms in KY in the 60's, got to see, Citation, On And On, Never Bend, etc.

I've been at Rolex the last couple of years, but never got the chance to see the farms. I know several have closed or changed hands, and I checked out some of the trips that will you take to several farms, some I noticed were private visits.

Gone are the days when we just followed directions and showed up at the barns! :) Ah, those were the days! Anyway, I'm really wanting to know if any of the shuttles are better than the others, or whose barns may give better tours, and I suppose, there are few off limits to visitors also. I'm planning my trip to Rolex again and want to hit the barns this year. Can you help me out?

A big THANK YOU to all!

Sandieh: Babynor IS a cute and catchy name! :)

Folks, speaking of brothers... there is a 3-year old full brother to Colonel John, named Mr. Hot Stuff, who is getting people pretty excited.  Let's wish him and Nicanor well.

I went to Rockingham to see Nicanor's race only because I just wanted to see HIM race for the first time! The outcome did not matter to me. He is so beautiful and I was thrilled to watch him! I had no expectations, I only prayed that he came out of it okay. I'm sorry he got hurt, I hope & pray he has a full recovery and it doesn't take too long and that he's not too uncomfortable. I had a big smile on my face from the time he first walked out, all the way through waiting for him to finally cross the finish line!  I'm sure it was about something different for other people, but to me it was all about getting to view this magnificent horse named Nicanor. Horses are so awesome and sometimes I feel they are so unappreciated, and actually are thought of as disposable objects by some people. How sad! The great legacy of Barbaro is how many horses have been saved because of him & his fans, fans who will never forget him and follow his brothers because of their love for Barbaro. We only want the best for them and if that means no Kentucky Derby's for any of them or even no racing at all, well that's fine with me! I'll still want to know how they are doing and still enjoy seeing photos and videos and reading updates. I feel lucky that even one horse like Barbaro came along in my lifetime, he taught me so much. Don't try to tell me "he was JUST a horse"! No way!!! He was a hero, ask any horse who has been saved from slaughter! If only they could talk......!!!

Rechelle: Your comment from the 3rd of March about Prado's ride on Riley Tucker may be off a little. He was pretty sharp from the gate and sometimes it's hard to get them to come back. The other thing may be that the trainer told him to send him away from the gate. Riders generally ride to instructions and Prado is known as a "money" rider" in other words when there's money on the line he can get pretty aggressive. You always want a rider to do his best and that includes being aggressive. Prado is one of the best at what he does and believe you me he don't like running up the track.

TO: 2 TIME VALLEY PLAYER

Bet you would be the type to trip all over yourself to shake hands w/ the Jacksons amd Matz,lol.

I would have gone to the ends of the Earth to find and get Ferdinand.  I really can't say what I feel about that on this blog.  I don't want to go to jail.  I am keeping my mouth shut.  :)

Mikie R you'd lose the bet. I won't go away, when I want I'll express my opinion as everyone should.Truth sometimes hurts and breaks a illusion but that's life.Being a trainer -owner maybe you can explain why he was out jogging 2 days after the race if he was hurt so bad  -was it  a miracle cure  ????I hope he wins every race he runs from now on I'll gladly eat crow!I bet you can't resist reading the every blog I write  no way you can skip what 2 time valley player of the year has to say.I enjoy reading all the comments and zings for giving my opinion!

Horsenut23, You mean if someone expresses their opinion on what they saw, that its being mean-surley a intelligent man like you who was in management for 20 years can interput things better then that.It's just a opinion not hate of Nic or matz, when did america become so that everyhting said has to be politically correct.I bet you read every blog , you can't skip mine and here is a suggestion maybe you can become a apprentice trainer under Mikie R.Lighten up my comment was not guided by trying to be politically correct to appease bloggers but rather as a horse racing fan.He wasn't the first horse to pull a Roberto Duran "no mas" and won't be the last.

Nicanor needs to get well and completely heal before his next race. It's unfortunate that this injury and loss happened in his first race. However, there will be other races and other opportunities to practice and get better and better with experience. There is every benefit to good health for animals as well as people, and Nicanor is indeed fortunate to have owners, trainer, and a team that cares about him enough to give him adequte time to heal and develop his potential.

TO: 2 TIME HORSE PLAYER:

I'm done debating what Nicanor did or didn't do! As I stated recently,you are correct in the fact that you have the right to express your opinions like anyone else. Don't try to spin it differently,ok? I can understand your anger with me,but what did the other reader do to warrant calling her names? Seems to me you are obsessed with how I treat my animals. Here's the million dollar question. Is it really any of your business what I do? Do I try to inject my opinion about what movie to watch or how fast or slow you drive your car? Makes zero sense to me. Maybe you live a dull life and find nothing better to do than be a pest! Or maybe your attitude reflects the area in which you live where lack of tact comes with the territory!

TO: HORSENUT23

I know what you say is right,but I can't back off from a "bully",just isn't my style. You are a better man than myself!

LucyVan Pelt

I hear ya.  If only they could speak English.  They do have their ways of letting us know that they are very greatful for what we do for them when we do save them.  Horses are very smart.  :)  They know.  

helsbelles, Glad you mentioned Mr Hot Stuff. I made a mental note to mention him after I heard he had won. Well you know how mental notes are, if you don't lose them someone steals them. lol  Anyway, his win was very impressive. So much for brothers not following suit. It may be rare (don't know the odds) but it does happen and thats all that counts. Mr Hot Stuff is everything his name implies.  Someone said Edgar Prado was an aggressive rider and I don't know what that means. Are you saying he doesn't listen to instructions? Will take things into his own hands no matter what? I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen with riders of Edgar's ilk. Lesser known riders, trying to gt a name for themselves or the likes of Paco Lopez. Now there's an aggressive rider and despite his skills or talent, I hope he never gets the chance to ride for Mr Matz or get the mount on any Lael horse. Not unless there's a 100% change in his attitude. There seems to be a fine line between being aggressive and riding with authority. Guess it depends on which side of the fence you sit, the horse above all else or winning above all else. Jerry Bailey was all about winning, untill Cigar changed his mind and life forever. Bailey has said many times he never cared one way or another about the animal until he got to know Cigar. So, people can change but they rarely do without that defining moment. Edgar Prado is not in that catagory, he has proven time and again that the horse is the main thing and with luck and good judgement, there will be a tomorrow for both him and the horse. Yeah, we should all be thankful Edgar was on Nicanor and grateful that he wrapped him up to race another day.  LONG LIVE EDGAR and LONG LIVE NICANOR!

I am so glad to hear that Nicanor is doing well.  He had a very difficult race last Saturday and I hope that it doesn't discourage him next time.  Unfortunately, Barbaro's brothers are going to have a more difficult time because they will have a target on their backs just because of who they are.  When Barbaro began his racing career nobody knew who he was and he had no target on him.  He also broke his maiden at an easier track than Gulfstream and the maiden race is always a confidence builder.  I think that it probably was not an accident that Nicanor was bumped at the starting gate and he was completely boxed in at the rail so Prado had to move him outside.  I think that Nicanor did his best under very difficult circumstances.

For Big Red

You put it perfectly.   may use different language but I am saying the same thing in my posts.  We NEED to find a way to house these horses when they are tossed to the streets.  THAT is upsetting people everywhere.  The breakdowns are bad enough.  What is worse for the industry is what they do AFTER the horse isn't making any more money.  THAT is what is making way over half of the population very angry.  I think that anyone that has a half a brain would know that it only takes voices to be heard to get something done and signed into law.  

Look at what has been accomplished with Barbaro.  FOB's don't back down.  We win.  Barabro never lost a race and he didn't lose the one that he broke down in either.  He is winning that race.  Each and every day, the horses are getting better and better treatment.

The breakdown of Ruffian was what started it for me too.  In the last 10 years, though it seems as though just way way too many horses are breaking down.  Something is really wrong.  

Ragsy

I wish that Bernardini would have been in a better position.  I just know that he felt something too.  Horses can tell when one of their own goes down.  I think BB really noticed it with Eight Belles.  Poor horse. :( They really love each other.  I liked Bernardini from the very first time I saw him.  He is a beautiful horse. When I see someone blaming him for Barbaro's breakdown it is about the most rediculas thing that someone can say.  Come on he is a horse.  I do feel that the gates sould be a little farther apart though.  That could help some of this mosh coming out of the gates.  I think they are too close together.  The horses need room to get that first bolt without worrying about running into another horse.  :-(

Subject: Ferdinand.  If memory serves me correctly, he was "sold" to someone or a syndicate in Japan to stand at stud.  May have been there were not any ties to send him back to the states once they no longer wanted him.  The Japanese culture eats horse. The culture did not hold the same view toward horses that we hold, then, and may not now. For sometime, they didn't partake of breeding, they just purchased for two and three year old racing seasons, then discarded the horses. The culture did not feel obligated to take care of them after their running usefulness. Hence, owners, trainers, just discarded them.  

After the hue and cry of his death, it appears the Japanese may have changed their thoughts concerning serving Thoroughbred on the plate.

Lately, many have returned to the states.  They may have changed their viewpoint.  We know they now breed for some of the market.

It's comparable to the Chinese and Philipinoes.  One eats cat and the other eats dog.  What they do in their own countries, fine.  Just don't come here and expect to continue certain cultural practices.

Our western culture, for the most part, is steeped in the concepts of stewardship as defined by God's Laws, statutes, and judgments. We also pay attention to the dietary restrictions.

If we are going to breed them, and bring them into the world, then we should take care of them.  That is the western view, for most of us.  Other cultures don't have the same view.

horsenut23, by all means call the farms for appointments to see the stallions, but try to wait until the breeding season is pretty well over. The farm folks have a lot to deal with this time of year, and I'd hate to get in their way. The people at Three Chimneys have always been wonderful to us, gracious and generous with their time, too. HOWEVER, if you really want to see some old champions up close and personal, go around the corner from the Horse Park to Old Friends Equine in Georgetown and ask for a tour. You'll get to see a LOT of the old guys with stunning credentials, as well as some less-known fellas and girls, AND Silver Charm the Smaller. A tour worth the time, a feeling of great connection with our past heroes, and you get to meet a bunch of terrific people who care for these great old friends. Check them out, please, at www.oldfriendsequine.org . Great folks, great horses, beautiful setting and a wonderful cause. Maybe, with luck and people like Michael Blowen, we won't have to hear of of the loss of another Ferdinand. I STILL want to know how a Derby winner and Horse of the Year (twice, I think?) can fall through the cracks like that..............

Happy February, everyone!

I am glad to hear the Nicanor is doing ok. I hope he makes a speedy recovery and returns to racing. Edgar did a great job with him as well.

What stupid nonsense about Edgar not being the "right" jockey because he was "used to" Barbaro.

Edgar Prado has ridden many, many

horses and knows how to adjust to

any horse. He has won over 5000 races! There is no better jockey for Nicanor than Edgar; he will bring the love. I can't believe anyone who knows racing would make these statements.

Sam Anderer

I have lived all over this world.  In Japan they eat cats.  I remember one day ordering some chicken and a woman told me "are you sure you want to eat that"?  I did't understand.  She told me meeeeeeeeoooooow.  You have to be very careful over there when you are eating chicken because it looks and from what I have heard tastes like cats.  I stayed away from all of that stuff in Asia.  

In Hong Kong the main course is dog.  It is over 300 US dollars for a steak of dog.  When I lived all over that part of the world, I stuck with seafood.  I always ate rice and fish and other seafood.  That way I knew that I wasn't getting fooled.  One thing too that people may not know is in Japan, they use human waist in their rice fields for fertilizer.  Just thought I would tell you guys that in case you ever decided to go there.  

If you go to Asia, just stick with things that you know what they are.  If the menu is un-readable, get eggs or toast LOL.  Most of the time on those menues that are not in English they have pictures of the food your ordering.  The have no FDA over there so all of their food is open market.  

OK there is your biology lesson for the day if your traveling to Asia.  The farther south you go there, the worse it gets.  :(

I just may turn into a veggie before the end of the year with these blogs LOL!  :)

Love you Nicanor.  Take care of that foot, enjoy all the love that is around you, you lucky horse. :)

Good detailed article on the subject of"grabbing a quarter" over on Quarter Horse Track, Ask the Vet.  Wanted to know more about the subject, so when I googled "Horses who Grabbed a quarter?, it came up, complete with illustrations and a photo.  Just hope he avoids infection and is able to bear his weight evenly while he's healing

There seems to be a great difference of opinion on Nicanor's size.  Several posts on several blogs describe him differently.  One poster even called him "petite"!  Could we get a definitive answer about Nicanor's size, please?

To Mike Relva:

You're a better man because, I'm a woman! LOL :-) No one is actually better than another, just more experienced in some aspects of the contraversies of life.Nobody is perfect, I have enough contraversy in my life without expending the energy to converse with chronic instigators.I was the single mother of three boys, therin lies the experience! :-)

To needler in Virginia; Thanks, I was already planning on visitng Old Friends, just wanted to know if anyone had a particular tour group or farm that gave a better than average rating.I'll have to plan another visit for most of the farms, as Rolex runs in April, the week before the Derby, and is a pretty busy time for those studs! :)

Karen, how astute...it is the love between people and horses...that's exactly what Penny Chenery said about the love affair between Secretariat and his fans...it's all about the horse.

There are no "bad" racehorses, only talented and less-talented. Even less-talented give their all, it just isn't enough.

About Dynaformer and LaVille Rouge having a filly in the future - maybe the Jacksons could name her "Barberella!" It would very interesting to see what a filly from this family would look like!

To Mikie R, I'm from New York  City and proud, I have no anger toward you or any blogger Dona  the prima Dona was takeoff on a song from Dion, she understood  the joke ,you didn't.No debate you just hated that he lost and quit running I stated my opinion and your anger took over because you can't the results of  the race! I noticed you had no answer for him being back on the track jogging 2 days  after he had this so called bad  "injury'., I'm disappointed ,you being a trainer I thought you'd know what miracle matz used to get the horse back so quick from such a "the  injury". my life is just fine no stress obviously you can't say the same, you get all shook up because someone told the truth on his race and took it as a personal attack on the horse. He was a stiff in that race[ask the bettors] , a no mas , that is reality and YOUR the one who decided to start the personal attacks and fired away with the zings toward me. you bragged that you were a horse trainer, i still doubt it, you decided to express your anger toward me with comments that's why this all started-that's a fact if you had kept your mouth shut blooggers wouldn't have to read our  rebuttels . I replied to your zings so who's the bully -you and your mouth. I don't back down either Mikie , chillout and skip my blog if you can't take the truth or like my opinion.I don't play the politically correct words routine that most gutless people in America have come to accept.now if you want to continue so will I.

why don't you explain why the horse was back on the track in 2 days jogging wasn't the injury the reason he quit running?what excuse will it be next time?

Dona, didn't mean to steal your mental note :) I hate it when that happens to me.  Boy, I didn't know that about Jerry Bailey, not caring about his mounts until Cigar came into his life.  I suspect a lot of jockeys are that way.  I would think they would almost have to be, to continue doing what they do.  If you watch the DVD documentary movie about Laffit Pincay Jr you get that feeling about certain jockeys.  When Indyanne broke down, Russell Baze was beside himself, which endears him to me... knowing that she mattered to him.

Pertaining to Edgar Prado, my answer is:  Yes, it has been documented that he has done those things.  That being said, obviously I am here because I adore Barbaro, and Edgar was a HUGE part of that.  He gave him a perfect ride in the Kentucky Derby... got him in perfect striking position.  And then on that horrible day in MD, he saved him... for the time being.  BUT, Edgar is an adult and makes a lot of money at what he does, and is NOT beyond criticism.  Nicanor is my boy (yeah right, like I pay the bills), and I want him to get the best ride possible, and on his debut I don't believe he did.  By the way, how impressive was the winner who was also a first-time starter, ridden by one of my favorite jocks Calvin Borel?!  Thank goodness that Street Sense ended his racing career safely, because I used to joke with people that if something were to happen to that horse on the track, Calvin would do himself in right there... he loved that horse so much... Big Daddy Rabbit!

I'm glad he's doing ok ^^

Did anyone watch "Jockeys" on Animal Planet tonight? Although we know the outcome of some races, it will be interesting to see how the "behind the scenes" plays out.

Maybe some of you have lived this yourselves or you know of someone?

Have a good evening, hope your Saturday will be a good as mine as we'll be in the 50's here around the Windy City!

Make the gates wider apart?  That is insane.  The outside horses might not like that as they have to try that much harder.  

Rechelle, if you're out there somewhere, you mentioned Riley Tucker and I wondered whatever happened to him after last years Preakness, well... would you believe he is running Saturday at santa anita in an allowance race #2 for Baffert (Gomez aboard).  Good luck Riley!

Nicanor is an extremely confident and aggressive horse; he is unyielding.  Please watch the video again.  If he had not been injured at the start it's hard to say what he would have done.  Go to you tube and watch secretariat in the preakness.  Then watch him in the Belmont.  Secretariat's trainer told Ron Turcotte, before the Belmont, to just let him run his own race.  I am looking at this race in a most unbiased way, and I believe that Nicanor simply wanted to do it his way.  If he had not been injured, it may have gone his way.  We don't know. I am beginning to believe that this is a most extraordinary horse.    

I WAS AT GULFSTREAM PARK THAT DAY, NICANOR IS HUGE, 17 IS RIGHT ON JUST THAT HE IS SLENDER, BUT NOT SKINNY, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL HORSE. I WATCH HIM FOR 7 STRAIGHT MINUTES IN THE PADDOCK. AWESOME LOOKING HORSE

helsbelles, thanks for fessing-up to the theft. Knew it had to be someone else and not me that lost it. lol       Horsenut23, I watched both segments of the Jockeys and found it pretty interesting (didn't like the format: building suspense tactics) and will be interesting to see just how real the disagrements get.  Know a fairly famous jockey and her tales of racing will make your hair stand on end. Sometimes things get really heated  in the jock room with fists and all.  helsbelles, sorry but can't share you opinion of Calvin Borel. Not that I dislike him but I don't care for the way he hugs the rail. Street Sense was very lucky the rail opened for him. Everybody says better to be lucky than good  but live by the rail and die by the rail. I'd rather see a more versatile style; Garret Gomez or Mike Smith for instance. Johnny Velasquez or Edgar Prado , non of the guys fall into that catagory. Calvin seems to te a nice guy but I personally don't like his style, Kent Dessormeaux either. That's just my opinion. You mentioned Pincay but you don't want me to get started on him. Let's just say he did change and mellow somewhat after Shoemaker retired and leave it at that. I like to think maybe he would have rode differently if he had it to do over again. Shoemaker was my all time favorite because he let the horse do its thing and nobody can ever say he beat a horse across the finish line. He had the kindest hands of any jockey I've ever heard of. Personally, he could be a rascal at times but when it came to horses, Willy was a prince.  You're right about one thing, that horse Calvin was on looked impressive. Anybody see Stardom Bound today? Very nice ride from Mike Smith. Looked like she might get left out in the cold but Mikey got her through the hole and away she went. Stardom Bound's next race will be the Sanita Anita Derby against the boys. If Nicanor can't make the Derby, maybe Stardom Bound will. Sure would like to see a fill win it again. Did you know Regret was the first  undefeated horse to win the Derby? She must have been something. Got her picture from the bloodhorse classics section and a jockey pin from the Kentucky Derby gift shop to add to my collection, all thanks to Barbaro who brought me back from my self imposed exile of racing. Thanks big guy.

To 2 Time Valley Player --

Unnecessary.  I ask you to kindly chill.  You are really leaving a bad taste within this blog, and that's really enough.  You've made me, and maybe others, turn away from reading it as regularly.

Whether you're right or wrong, that's not the issue.  Everything here is pretty subjective since none of us are on the inside of this scenario.  

But I do think a certain level of maturity would make you know that you should end this. Take your one-on-one off the board with whomever you want to continue, but you're like people in a movie theatre who won't stop talking because they think it's their right of free speech without observing certain levels of social consciousness.  

I lived in New York for over a dozen years, and you're not its best example !

Marigold:  Had the pleasure of spending time with Nicanor in May of 2008.  He is NOT petite.  Back then, before his "growth spurt", I thought he was tall then.  He is far from petite.  He is a gorgeous boy.  Had donkey ears back then, but he seems to have grown into them.  He has a wonderful character and spirit, but he is far from petitie.

Thanks for the update on Nicanor!  It's good to know that he is continuing to heal and now we must just learn to be patient in waiting for his next start.  Thanks.

To Karen PA, your long writing way up near the top of the blog. Well wisdom is a wonderful thing. I truely enjoyed!!!

Rochelle & helsbelles:

In case you didn't get to check, Riley Tucker DID win his race Saturday! Go Riley!

2 Time Valley Player of the Year, are you related to Karma Kool Kid?  .  

Wanda, didn't you mean Nicanor had the wraps on his back legs?  Lentenor wasn't wearing any wraps in the video.

To Everyone Else, let's just ignore 2 Time Valley Player of the Year, and maybe he'll go away.

Christy

Not that much. Just enough to where the horses don't run into each other coming out of the gate.  A GOOD racehorse will win from ANY post.  :)

horsenut23

I knew about it and I talked to someone that did watch it.  I will not watch it because of the breakdowns.  I already know that would make me mad so no I didn't watch it.  If they would keep the horses breakdowns off the program, I may watch it but they won't. :(

helsbelles

Edgar too aggressive to ride Nicanor?  WOW!  It was his NON-AGGRESSIVE act that probably saved his leg in the maiden.  Edgar can ride any horse and in any way he wants to.  He should be the ONLY one on Nicanor as well as the rest of the Barbaro brothers.  He GETS IT!  :)

helsbelles

Calvin, Gomez, Johny, Corie are all very good jockeys. The thing is with Nicanor, he is a different kind of horse.  He is a race horse yeah but he is also being watched by people that HATE the sport.  Edgar is the jockey that should be on that horse.  The Nation knows the Barbaro/Prado connection.  I don't think that the Jackson's would have it any other way.  They care about Nicanor more than just winning.  This horse is in the spotlight and could very well make or break this sport in the eyes of the people of this country.  I am sorry if I seemed harsh but I hope you can understand where I am coming from.  Being a lover of Barbaro, it shouldn't be that hard :)  

By the way.  I love Calvin a lot.  Always have admired him.  :)

TO: 2 TIME VALLEY PLAYER:

First,I never stated that I'm a trainer,I said I OWN HORSES.In case you haven't noticed there's a difference. Second,I have no answer to your question why Nicanor is training again. Why don't you call Michael Matz? I'm sure he would give you an answer,probably a very quick one,lol. You comment a few days ago regarding that myself and others' can't resist reading your responses is,at best,pretty sad. Who are you attempting to convince,me or yourself? I could care less  what you say,think whatever! You probably live some sad little life,lol. You can't deal with the readers that don't agree with everything you write. I'm not the bully,I just give as good as I get,simple as that!

TO: KAREN& MARIGOLD

I couldn't agree more. Thanks!

Barbara

You are so right.  It appears that there are a lot of stupid comments over here.  I wonder if these people are getting bored with their own social circle.  The thing with Barbaro is he is THE HORSE that has changed the entire sport.  One has to be a complete idiot in order to "think" the we FOB's won't back down.  We have accomplished a lot!  We intend to keep right on going.  We are going to win this war.  We are for the saftey and the well being of the horses.  In the end it is the FOB's that will prevale and the rest of you will just have to live with it.  A lot of you don't know who is in the Barbaro circle and never will.   One day, you will look back and remember the Preakness in 2006 as being the day that started the change for the racing industry in the states.  I am here to tell you guys that if I or anyone I know remotely gets wind of a trainer/owner abusing/neglecting their horses with performance enhancing drugs, or ANY type of neglect, it will not go without me making noise.  I am for the horse.  

I am for the HONEST people in the industry.  The rest of them need to go elsewhere so that horseracing can continue as a sport that re gains its reputation.  Trust me.  I will not back down and ANY true FOB understands exactly where I am coming from.  If you are an owner or trainer that is not on the up and up, don't let me get wind of it.  :)

MIKE RELVA

Right on!  Matz wouldn't give a person like that the time of day. He is way above those types of attitudes.  He is a nice guy and a very good and honest trainer that CARES about the horse!  If he is reading this stuff, he probably finds quite the chuckle that there are people that nuts in the industry (or so they THINK they are in the industry).  Let them babble.  The more they babble, the funnier it gets to the people that really are in tune with the reality of this sport and the pressure that is happening because of Barbaro.  :)

First of all, Kudos to Stardust & Mike Relva, ALSO, A reminder, IGNORE Pigheaded remarks on this Blog and these people(I use that term lighly), will GO AWAY, Trust Me. Second, I found it interesting That four of Michael Matz's Horses were included in the List for early nominees in the 2009 Triple Crown Races.....They are: NICANOR, His buddy, Rockland, another buddy Ice Road, and Hennigan. I am not reading much into this, but figured some people here would like to know. Hope everything is going well with Nic's injury, GET WELL.....

Greg J

I have always always loved Matz and the tremendious way he cares about his horses.  He is amazing.  There is so much quality in the things he does and he is so good at what he does.  He is genuine.  Chelokee.  That was really sad when he broke down. I so often thank GOD that Matz was his trainer.  Who knows what would have happened to that horse if he wasn't.  

Any up-dates on Nicanor?  I am glad that Matz has this many horses going for the TC.  I still think Nincanor may have a shot at the Derby.  It is still very early.   Good things happen to good people and Matz is sure up there with one of he best in this industry.  :)

TO: STARDUST& GREG J

Thank you!

Matz has always been known for his care of horses. He is a very compassionate man. You'll remember he was in that airplane crash (Iowa?), where he helped to rescue other passengers, including children. Anyone doubting the care of his horses needs to have their head examined!

Mike Relva; how old are the horses you have in training? I couldn't find the post about it from the other blog.

stardust: For your information Chelokee is an entire so when he broke down they looked around for a stud farm that would stand him. Vinery took him and he stands for 7,500$. He had value in anybodys hands,not just because of Matz. He is a GIII stake winner so if he doesn't throw anything his first year or two he'll be down the road in some regional market. I understand that you are a big Matz fan but there are lots of good trainers out there that are just as caring as him. Please don't take this wrong but he doesn't hold the patent on it.

horsenut23   Just imagine if all the trainers were like Matz.  Wouldn't that be nice.  He is number on with me.  I don't want to put down names but there are a lot of trainers that I really wish were like him.  Sadly, good people like that are rare.  At least we know that The Barbaro family will be OK.  

Your welcome Mike.  

Stardust,

If I walk into a bar and say "Nicanor raced at Gulfstream last week," I would most certainly be met with blank stares. Ditto my workplace, ditto my school, ditto just about anywhere I go. NOBODY outside of racing is watching Nicanor or even knows who he is.

Because we all on this blog follow horseracing, and by extension (logic would dictate), have some affinity for horses, we are all very aware of who Barbaro is, and who his brothers are. But frankly, the only reason anyone outside our relatively small circle of "friends" even knows who Barbaro is, is not even because he broke down in the Preakness, but because he was in the news at least once a month for 8 months during his recovery.

No one outside this circle cares who Eight Belles is, and have not thought of her since the furor over her breakdown died down last summer. No one will think about her again until this year's Derby, when her name is mentioned and the video clips shown again and again on Derby weekend. "Do you remember Eight Belles?" is as important in the minds of non-horsey people as "Whatever happened to that champion showdog that got away at the airport?" is to dog-show people. No one talks about it anymore. To say they do is disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst.

Breakdowns at racetracks is not the greatest problem facing our country today, and I'm sure that 99% of Congress is not the least bit concerned about it. I'm sure it doesn't keep Barack Obama up nights. I'm reasonably sure that George W. Bush did not sit around twisting his mustache, thinking of all the ways he could cause the most harm to America's racehorses. What I'm most sure of is that you are exaggerating the concern of our lawmakers over the state of racing today.

HI HORSENUT23:

I'VE GOT TWO THAT ARE 3YR OLDS & THE OTHER ONE IS FOUR.

horsenut23

What is really sad is that a huge amount of trainers are nothing like Matz.  I don't think they should have a training license. I wish all of them could be like Matz and care about the development of the horse and letting the horse grow to maturity before putting it on the track.  Unfortunatally, they want that money and when they don't get it, the horse is worthless.  That is what angers me about all of this.  There are so many people that care nothing about the purse and the being able to say their horse won the race.  Nicanor doesn't need to win any races to be loved by all of us.  Had Chelokee been with a different trainer, he probably wouldn't be alive today.  I adore Matz and the Jacksons.  Wish everyone would follow suit but they won't.  It really is a sad state of events.  :(

Concerned Fan;

I beg to differ with you on the fact that no one outside this blog is interested in Barbaro and his siblings, or Eight Belles. I have several non-horsey fans who ask me about them anytime they see or hear about another injury/fatality. Do you think Eight Belles' connections don't think of her? Just because there is not a blog here for her doesn't mean the word isn't out or discussions aren't happening elsewhere. Most people in "bars" are not into world/current events, they are only worried about what is happening in their own world.

HELLO STARDUST:

I AGREE W/YOU REGARDING MATZ. HE'S ONE OF THE BEST YOU WILL EVER SEE.

Hi Mike.  How is the weather where you are?  How are your horses?  

Yeah God gave the racing industry an Angel when he dropped Matz into the barn.  :)  I think he IS the best.  

Concerned Fan.  OK I am going to tell you what Congress is looking at OK?  

1.  They are doing research with the help of outside people on the BREEDING of these race horses and coming up with solutions for that.

2.  They are looking at the racetracks and the safety of the surfaces of these tracks.

3.  They are talking about the AGE of the racehorse.  Running them at 3 to 4 instead of 2.

4.  They are really starting to clamp down on the owners and trainers that are not taking responsibility for their horses AFTER they race.  In fact, they have even gone far enough to talk about putting into law that if one ownes a racehorse, they MUST not discard that horse after the racing career.  They must find a good home for the horse OR they cannot have the horse.  THIS is starting to surface.  There will be fines involved and if it is bad enough time in jail.  

5.  They are at wits end with the performance enhancing drugs and any drugs "including" Lastix for these horses.  They are talking about putting that into law.  

6.  The biggest and most talked about thing is the breeding.  THAT would eliminate all of the unwanted horses.  That is the thing that starts this spriral.  

7.  HR 503 is as good as passed.  

8.  They are just getting started.  If you recall, Barack Obabama reversed the bill that BUSH put in for the killing of the wolves.  HE is for the animals.  NOT against them.  

They are doing what they are doing and you are not going to change it.  The FOB's are very much in tune with a lot of this and we are everywhere.  We have friends everywhere.  We are for the horse and the SAFTEY of the horse and getting the horses into a good home when they are done racing.  

ALL because of BARBARO!!!!!!! :)

OK Amanda.  I don't know anything about her owners.  I do know that she had a good trainer.  I just go by what I have heard all over the place.  Sorry :(  

I was devastated when she fell and that is all I heard for weeks was that it was the jockeys fault.  Most of this was coming from people that are not into racing.  With regard to her owners, I have no idea about them.

Yeah Wanda your right.  I just wish that she hadnt' died.  That really pulled me away from racing when that happened.  I used to be a lot more into it until the KD that day.  I really loved her.  :(

Quoted from Horsenut23:

"Concerned Fan;

I beg to differ with you on the fact that no one outside this blog is interested in Barbaro and his siblings, or Eight Belles. I have several non-horsey fans who ask me about them anytime they see or hear about another injury/fatality."

Horsenut, do you think they would even know who Eight Belles was if it weren't for your interest in horse racing? I doubt it. They probably don't sit around asking EACH OTHER about Eight Belles - they ask you because of your relationship to horse racing.

"Do you think Eight Belles' connections don't think of her? Just because there is not a blog here for her doesn't mean the word isn't out or discussions aren't happening elsewhere."

This is a ludicrous question. Eight Belles' connections are, OBVIOUSLY, in the circle of horse-racing people. By circle of "friends," I did not imply this blog exclusively - I meant the circle of people with at least a mild interest in horseracing who follow the sport and are concerned about its participants - horses, jocks, connections. I have no involvement whatsoever in the business end of the business, I am, as my name implies, a "concerned fan." We are few and far between. Most people I know think horse racing occurs for 5 weeks out of the year - never mind the Breeder's Cup - what is that? Just because YOU are interested in horse racing does not mean the WORLD is. The WORLD doesn't care. If PETA has not caused the ruckus that they did after last year's Kentucky Derby, it would have been a blurb on the news on Derby evening, and then gone. As it is, Eight Belles was but a fleeting memory by summer, in the minds of the general public. This does not in any way diminish the tragedy of her death, or tarnish her memory - it is just a fact. The general public is not mourning Eight Belles, and has forgotten about her until her stakes race comes up in May and makes news, and the video of her demise is run ad nauseum on Derby Day. Do you think the guy down the street acknowledges the Barbaro Stakes? hmmm... doubt it.

"Most people in "bars" are not into world/current events, they are only worried about what is happening in their own world."

Well, aren't YOU the snooty one! Can your generalization get any more sweeping? Most people in "bars" (not talking down-and-out drunks here, just someone I would sit at a table and have a beer with, if I drank beer) have their finger on the pulse of this nation - much more so than the mucky-mucks on Capitol Hill, the ones who are voting in just a few minutes to mortage our grandchildren's future on a trillion-dollar barrel of pork. Outside of horse-racing circles, no one I know is talking about breakdowns on the racetrack or calling for the banning of horse racing. My coworkers know the names and stats of the Vikings defensive line, but if I say "Big Brown" they wait for the noun described by the adjective ("big brown... what?"). Our circle is fairly exclusive, because again, NOBODY CARES, and as such, nobody whose name isn't followed by ", animal rights activist" is calling for shutting down horse racing, and certainly nobody on Capitol Hill. I think they have bigger fish to fry.

stardust I understand that you have a strong commitment to the welfare of horses but you must be factual when you make comments like that. Do you understand that those kind of comments hurt people? It doesn't do your cause any good when I or anyone reads that and responds with the comments we do. Stardust I wish she hadn't died either, but it doesn't alter the fact that she did. The same applies to Barbaro or any other. I followed his recovery every day on Bloodhorse.com, and cried when he foundered in the other foot cause I knew the battle was lost. I have lost a few over the years, they were all my friends and shed some tears over them. That's life in racing or anything else.

From Stardust -

"They are doing what they are doing and you are not going to change it.  The FOB's are very much in tune with a lot of this and we are everywhere.  We have friends everywhere.  We are for the horse and the SAFTEY of the horse and getting the horses into a good home when they are done racing.  

ALL because of BARBARO!!!!!!! :)"

Stardust, where are your FOB buddies backing you up on this? I have seen ony one other person comment on HR 503. Which does NOT address horses breaking down on the track, which you claim people are getting fed up with. Nothing you listed addresses safety of horses on the track. (and the word is LASIX - get a dictionary!)

I know there are many FOBs on this board, but I don't see any of them backing up your claims here.

Thank you for editing Stardust.

Be aware that when she is not the queen of this site, she will bad-mouth the Jacksons too.

Barbaro and Eight Belles broke my heart, but I still support racing and still want to watch beautiful, talented horses run.

Christy  FYI  I asked her to remove that.  Who are you?  I will never say anything bad about the Jacksons, Matz or the FOB team.  We are the ones making a difference.  

Wanda.  I do have a very strong desire to see these horses treated right.  I aksed Amada to remove that post.  That was not very right.  I do think there are a lot of naysayers on this blog that are here to cause trouble.  

Your right Wanda.  That is why I emailed Amanda and asked her to remove that post.  I wrote that out of emotion.  Sorry.  :(

No worries stardust,keep your passion for Barbaro's brothers and you'll be alright okay?

Mike Relva: Just curious what's day money now at Tampa or Gulfstream?

Wanda.  That is what I have done all along.  I have been there from the beginning of all of this with Barbaro and my passion will make a difference.  There are a lot of us that have made a difference with getting the rules changed and that is what the legacy of Barbaro is all about.  

Thanks for understanding.  :)  You seem to GET IT.  

H.R. 503 was introduced FEBRUARY 1, 2005, well before Barbaro stepped on a racetrack. It has passed the house several times, but apparently defeated in the Senate, which is why it is being re-introduced in the House in this session (for at least the third time). "As good as passed" is a pipe dream. See the other post, "Nicanor finishes off the board," for other info I posted about this bill.

Wanda, Stardust is a FOB wannabe. She claimed on another board that when she allegedly spoke to these "important people in Congress" about horse racing, that she had to take off her Barbaro bracelet. How much of a "Friend" do you have to be to remove your most obvious testimonial to that fact?

Most of us on this blog are Fans of Barabro.  There are a few of you that are not.  We all know who we are.  :)

Thanks Wanda for letting me off the hook.  

TO CONCERNED:

You challenge Stardust for what reason? Just because maybe you don't agree with her. Guess what,it's called a democracy!

Hi Mike.  Did you answer me on how your horses are doing?  I am not paying any more attention to these naysayers.  Not worth my time.  We need to get back on track here with what this blog is about and that is Barbaro, Nicanor and Lentanor and the baby colt that has not been born.  Jacksons, Prado and Matz and the wonderful changes that have taken place because of all of the above mentioned names.  :)  

Wanda.  Barbaro is all over our house.  I have several thing RE: him like all of his books and DVD's and quite a few braceletts, shirts which I have always worn. I actually need to get some more.  They are worn out.  I have always loved that horse and always will.  I am very open about that.  I sure do miss the big guy. :(  Most people that know me know that I love that horse more than life itself.  :)

Mike Relva; Did you breed your horses, or buy them at the sales?

Did you catch the new blog? Great pics of Nicanor, I have to think up a poem yet, as I just got home from work!

stardust: sweetie you were never on the "hook". Just be true to yourself and everything else is just window dressing.

Thanks Wanda.  I know what I know and how I feel about all of this.  You have very good advise.  :)

Concerned Fan: Just take it for what it is. We don't know each other at all and sometimes we don't come across the way we want to. It's just a blog{ no disrespect Amanda} it can't hurt you. I know that sounds corny but it's true. You all have a great day okay?

To Mike R - I challenged her because I would like to see proof of her claims. Whatever. You all believe what you want... I just proved she is lying about H.R. 503 having been "started by Gretchen Jackson after Barbaro was put down," and you want to slaver at her feet because she says she loves Barbaro. I have a Barbaro Beanie Baby, does that make me an expert on the spacing of starting gates? Out of respect for Amanda and this blog, I will say no more, you all make up your own minds.

Amanda - I so greatly appreciate all you are doing here! And I am also grateful to the Jacksons and Michael Matz for their generosity with information and photos. I know that they are very busy and to share with the fans like this is a very kind thing for them to do. I will try to stay on topic from now on!

TO: CONCERNED FAN

You are out of bounds stating that I "slaver" to Stardust. As to your reference that Stardust lied,guess my only question would be what law school did you graduate from! Everyone has the right to an opinion,you don't reside in an exclusive club!

I think that this blog is meant for the Fans of Barbaro and the connections to Barbaro, NOT people that want to come over here and start trouble.  

We were with Barbaro from the beginning and on the 29th of January 2007 in the morning, we all went through hell on Earth together.  WE all GET IT.  I believe that the demise of Barbaro has done a lot of good for all of the horses.  Had that not happened, nothing would be changing.  The FOB's have saved thousands of horses.  We also are very against the neglect of a horse.  If a trainer or owner is drugging their horses or neglecting their horses, don't let an FOB get wind of it.  They will not last long.  That is all I am trying to get across.  We are very passionate about our horse BARBARO!  He is our horse because the Jackson's let him be the Nations horse.  There is not one day that goes by that I don't think about him or talk about him.  

His brothers are a very bright light to horseracing.  The sport really needs that right now!  It is the first time since the demise of Barbaro that there has been a huge fan base for a horse that hasn't even won a race.  We watched him grow up.  We are watching Lentanor grow up.  We can't wait to see the next baby.  WE LOVE Barbaro. :)

TO HORSENUT23:

I purchased the three horses in Kentucky and transported them to Miami,where I'm org. from.

HELLO STARDUST:

I cannot blame you regarding not paying anymore attention to some of these people. Some are great and others,whom will remain nameless. People like you and myself have forgot more than they would ever know,period! I mean,I'm far from being an expert just learning. Some,especially on the past couple of blogs think they wrote the book on it all. It's amusing,to say the least! As to your question,two of my horses are doing well,the other has a hairline fracture,which although my current trainer wants to begin training soon,I'm not going to start again for an extra three months. As I've stated I ALWAYS do whats best for the horse,they come first and I've stepped on many toes,but could care less,doesn't matter. My only priority is my horses health.

Mike don't bother with the naysayers.  Really it isn't healthy.  We know that Nicanor is one heck of a horse and that he has brought JOY into the racing industry. We also know all about what is going on with the purse slashing and the tracks shutting down.  I just hope that this all turns out to be where the bad people are outsted and the good people remain in the sport.  That is how any sport should be.  

Horseracing can be a very good sport when the people that care for the horse are true to their horses.  After all, it is the horse that is the main character here.  Without the horse, there is no horseracing.  We have to put the horse first.  I am happy to see that there are good trainers like Matz and others that do care about their horses even after they get done racing.  It is the ones that are drugging their horses and kicking them to the curb after they can't race anymore that is going to mess it up.  Let us all look good and hard at the way the Jacksons and Matz take care of their horses.  Maybe people can learn from them.  They are remarkable people.  In order for horseracing to continue, it has to change and it has to change for the horse.  Otherwise, people may as well be out there driving a car around the track.  

Horses are very special animals.  If they win or lose, they still deserve a good life.  That is what is most important.  

As a true FOB I am against any type of shady stuff going on in the racing industry.  I will make a lot of noise if I find out about it.  I am sure just about any true Fan of Barbaro would do the very same thing.  :)

Anyone that wants to know what is going on with the government can find out if they know where to go.  The entire system has changed.  Things that have already been released are on the Internet.  Things that are not, I am not saying anything.  I was gone most of last month and came back to a ton of work.  I don't have time to do research for people.  

Now let's get on track with Nicanor.  If you don't like the horse, get off this blog.  This is a blog that is dedicated to Barbaro and his brothers.  Bless their huge hearts.  

I think that Nicanor will win his next race and if he doesn't, I DON'T CARE!  He is still number one right now in my eyes.  I think all FOB's feel the same way.  We all know that he will never replace Barbaro.  We don't want him to.  We want him to be him and we love him for who HE is.  As with Lentanor.  He is his own horse.  We love them all.  :)

Nicanor and Lentanor are the KINGS of this blog and the other blogs.  Let us not lose site of that!

OK Dynaformer.  Let's get serious and next time, how about a filly. :)

Dona,  AMEN!  I saw the same things and feel more positive about his abilities now than I did before his debut (when I was worried about everything).  Now I know he is courageous, he is competitive, he is fast, and he has heart.  He has the best owners, trainer, and jockey et al.  He  knows what it is all about now, having raced. He can't fail!

From Mike R -

"TO: CONCERNED FAN

You are out of bounds stating that I "slaver" to Stardust. As to your reference that Stardust lied,guess my only question would be what law school did you graduate from! Everyone has the right to an opinion,you don't reside in an exclusive club!"

Find another explanation for it. She lied. Face it. I posted directly from the text of the bill - you can find it here -

thomas.loc.gov/.../z

Opinions are opinions, and you know what they say - everyone's got one - but facts are facts, and her "facts" are wrong. The bill was introduced in 2005. She is trying to puff up her own self-importance by exaggerating not only her involvement with FOB, but also with some unnamed people in Congress. The only reason this bill was introduced this year (for the third time, that I can tell) is because it has failed to pass the Senate. It was not "started by Gretchen Jackson when Barbaro was put down" as Stardust states. Thus, it is a lie. So when she said she never lies, she lied. And when she said she's never been banned from a message board, she also lied, and she knows it. I don't care, she can lie like a rug all day long, but when she comes on a board like this and claims the sky is falling on horse racing, and tells people to be careful what they say about Nicanor because he's "being watched," and when she calls connections she knows nothing about "greedy," and basically horse-abusers and killers, that is wrong. When she says that "most" of the trainers are bad, that is wrong too. It is not true, and she has absolutely nothing to back it up. When she says that Chelokee would be dead under another trainer other than Matz, she has no reasoning for it. And when she says that Nicanor is being watched by people in Congress and people who HATE horse-racing, she is also lying. So if you believe it or give her a pass on it, you are slavering at her feet. Make up your own mind.

FWIW, my husband is a law student. I know quite a bit.

And I will now return to topic.

Nick name for Nicanor.  Nica ROAR!  He sure has speed.  That is obvious.  That darn injury.  

Hope you are getting better sweet Nicanor.  You are such a pretty horse.  :)

Concerned Fan.  The Nation is watching all of the horses and the reason they are watching Nicanor is cause he is the most famous one.

I think pretty much everyone that is a true FOB knows I that I am on the up and up.  

I for one am very against what a lot of trainers are doing to their horses ie. drugs and things to mask the pain.  I will be the first take it to administration about trainers I hear about that are doing that to their horses.  

As for the 503 it wasn't not a very big deal until the demise of Barbaro.  It is then when Gretchen Jackson asked us 'as a group' to start writing and communicating with the state reps.  We got a least 2 slaughter houses shut down for good and we are almost there with the whole bill.  

We have rescued a lot of horses that people have kicked to the curb cause they didn't come in the money.  Some of us have saved horses that have been neglected and some of us just take horses hat no one else wants because they can't race anymore to the owners or trainers satisfacion.  

As far as who I know and what I know, that is none of your buiseness.  I would not tell you anything anyway.  You will see it on TV or in the papers one of these days.  You will find out other ways.  You don't need to hear it from me.

RE: any other message boards, I have been in a couple that I have left because they were not pleasent to be in.  I have seen things in message boards that have blown my mind to the point where there have been print outs to give to the appropriate people in DC.  I have no idea what you are taking about and I have no idea who you are.  I frankly don't really want to know you.  You seem to me like a child that isn't even old enough to drive or wager.  Your tone is very nasty and that we don't need here.  

This is a site for Nicanor and Lentnor, not Osama Bin Laden.  Do me a favor and please just go home. I don't think you are a FOB at all.  I believe you are over here to start trouble.  We don't want to hear it. None of us.  If you can't talk about the horses that this site is dedicated to then go somewhere else where you can talk about this negative stuff.

Thank You in advance.  

Nicanor is being loved and watched by MANY that hate horse racing.  That is a good thing.  At least there are people that are willing to watch the sport because there is finally a horse that they are interested in.  Why in the world would that be a bad thing.  

Of course people are going to make noise if something happens to Nicanor.  That is a given.  As well as Lentanor.  They are the stars on the track and we all know it.  What I love is the fact that they have brought so much love to horse racing to people that really feel negative about the sport.  I think the last horse that did that had a name Barbaro.  :)

Marigold

I think that Nicanor will win his next race.  I don't know but do you think Matz will put him in a turf race?  I can't speak for Matz but my feeling is that the reason for the dirt race was so he could get used to dirt in his face?  What do you all think?  I am kind of suprised that he didn't start on turf but I am positive that MM had a very good reason for putting him on the dirt.  :)

Love you Nicannor aka NICA ROAR! :)

Stardust....As I stated Numerous Times.....IGNORE Pigheaded remarks on this Blog and these people(I use that term lighly), will GO AWAY, Trust Me.....

That's All....

Mike Glad your taking good care of your horses.  We need more people like you!  

This blog has really been comical but I don't think Amanda feels that way.  These naysayers are coming over here to start trouble.  That is obvious.  It is also obvious that they are attacking me for some reason.  You are right about the knowedge though.  We do know what is really going on don't we :)  I guess that is all that matters.  Let them find out the hard way.  Really this is a blog for a star and that shining star shouldn't have to endure this.  

As Kathy said, glad MM isn't letting Nicanor read this blog LOL.  He would have something to say I am sure.  For all we know, he is so smart that he may be reading this blog.  :)  Never know.  Acually no one really knows who is reading this blog and that is why it is important to keep the nasty comments off the board.  Those commments only confirm what people already know and it isn't good for this horse. It certainally is not good for the industry.  

for all of you that read this blog and don't post, these naysayers are just jealous and upset because they are the ones in the wrong and treating their horses wrong.  That is why their on the defense.  Just thought  I would throw that in for all of you guys.  :)

For us FOB's we really are for the horse and want for this to be an hoenst and good sport for the horse.  We hope that the negative doesn't mess things up for the wonderful trainers and owners that are doing things right.  

I wonder how Nicanors hoof is doing.  

Greg J.

Thanks Greg.  How ya been?  Do you think that Barbaro is reading this blog LOL!  I'll start to do that.  It is really getting stupid.  We love you Babaro, Nicanor, Lentanor, Babynor and the other Nors that have not been conceived yet.  

DYNAFORMER!!!!!!  FILLY!!!!!!!!! :)

Amanda.  A debate?  I don't see a debate LOL.  All I see is really nice things being said about everyone and all the horses :)  My eyes are trained not to see bad things.  OK I get it.  :) Thanks.  

I just have to say this.  When I saw Edgar on Nicanor for his last race, in the post parade, it was like going down memory lane. Edgar with those Layel colors on that horse.  My God what a flash of the past.  It was incredible.  He looks great on Nicanor and it is just so cool that he is on him.  Did anyone else get that feeling of going back in time?  

Stardust, Read My Haikus, They will put a tear and a smile on your face, They did on mine...

TO: CONCERNED FAN

If you think for a second horseracing isn't in trouble you are fooling yourself! Also,I watched a feature on HR TV just last week regarding Matz and Chelokee. The feature indicated a track vet wanted to put him down and Matz said he wanted another opinion. You don't have to believe me,that's cool! As I've said Stardust has the right to her opinion just as you and everyone.  If you choose to read the blog,then that's the way it is!

Stardust, I feel secure in Michael's judgement.  Turf or dirt, whatever Michael thinks.  (I confess, I hope it will be turf.) If Nicanor hadn't grabbed a quarter or been bumped, I believe he would have won his debut race.  His competitive nature is what will propel him in the future.  That and his size and speed and heart.

Amanda, any news on how he's doing?

OK I have a new topic that we can talk about.  Amanda probably knows these answers.  Let's mess around with this for awhile.  

1.  How much does Nicanor and Lentanor weigh?

2.  How tall is Nicanor and Lentanor? (down to the millimeter)

3.  In comparison to Barbaro, which one do you guys think are closer to looking like Barbaro?  

4.  With their running styles, which one do you guys think are closer to Barbaro's running style and finally;

5.  Who of the two do you guys think has more of the same personality that Barbaro did.  

I think that we can have a healthy conversation about this.  :)  

Please stop trying to compare them to Barbaro!  No one compares.

Marigold

I totally agree with you on this last race.  Had Nicanor not been injured, I think he would have won it.  It is really freaky that this happened just two days after Barbaro's 2 year date of him going over the Rainbow Bridge.  I was just shocked at the timing and again so glad that Prado was on him.  Can you imagine what was going through his mind when he felt that horse underneath him?  Wonderful jockey.  Wonderful trainer and wonderful horse.  

I too hope that MM puts him on turf but whatever he does do, I know that his main concern is for Nicanor.  I am confident on that. I am so glad that his connections are who they are.  He is one lucky horse.  All of them are. :)

Greg J

Where is it?  :)

Stardust, Latest entry by amanda, Poetry & Pictures, On this Blog, Alot of Great Poems, Mine are Haiku's from Heaven(Did them through the eyes of Barbaro)., Enjoy...

OK Greg Thanks.  I'll check them out.  :)

Mike R said -

"TO: CONCERNED FAN

If you think for a second horseracing isn't in trouble you are fooling yourself! Also,I watched a feature on HR TV just last week regarding Matz and Chelokee. The feature indicated a track vet wanted to put him down and Matz said he wanted another opinion. You don't have to believe me,that's cool!"

Mike R -

I have no doubt that there are issues with horse racing. That is not my point at all. Out of respect for this blog, I will end this discussion here. I've made my points succinctly, that's all I can do.

As for Matz and Chelokee, I have no reason not to believe you. But I also have no reason not to believe that any other trainer of Matz's caliber would not have done the same thing. I have no reason to believe that if Matz hadn't been Chelokee's trainer, Chelokee would be dead.

You absolutely have the right to your opinion. So does everyone who posts here. But opinion can't change facts. Read the facts and form your own conclusions.

As per Amanda's wishes, I believe enough has been said on this topic. Hopefully common sense will prevail.

I am pretty sure that most of us that watched Nicanors last race that are FOB's went back in time.  It was really a heartwarming feeling to see Edgar on Barbaro's baby brother.  Yeah it was a flash from the past.  I believe a lot of us felt the same thing that day. :)

Those of us that GET IT!  

Greg you talking about this one?  LOVE IT!  Boy there is sure a lot of love for this family.  :)

Haiku's From Heaven:

Gretchen-Roy-Doc Dean

I Can Run in Heaven Now !

Fans of Me, Thank You...

La Ville Rouge, Mother...

Dynaformer, My Father...

Your Love Came with Me !

Nic-Len-Baby Bro...

In Your Eyes I Am Complete...

Finish My Journey !

Mike-Peter-Edgar

Take Care of My Family...

Walk-Run-Fly-Finish !

Nicanor, My Bro...

Take the Sadness of The World

Turn it into joy...

Mike. I am so glad to hear that you aren't running your horse with a hairline fracture.  That is so very important.  That makes me smile because it shows the love you have for your horses.  :)  Who cares whos toes you step on.  Let your horses step on those toes LOL.      

Amanda.  I need about 15 to 20 braceletts to give to my friends and family for Vaentines day.  Can you help me out with that?  Everyone wants one that is for helping these horses.  HELP.   :)

Amanda;

Acually it may be closer to Easter.  I don't think I can get them in time for Saturday.  Darn.  Good Easter Colors too.  :)  I want both kinds.  When I was in WA, some people asked me where to get them and I told them I don't know.  I felt like a complete idiot. I only had two with me and I took one off and gave it away.  Now I only have one :( Now that I am home, I can try to find some for everyone.  :)

Yeah that is why I said Easter.  I know that Saturday is way too soon.  Maybe I'll email New Bolten.  There has to be a way to get a bulk of those.  :)

I think now that Nicanor and Lentanor are both going to the track with the Layel colors, one would think they would start making more of them with all three horses.  Just a thought.  I think they would sell like hotcakes.  :)

TO CONCERNED FAN:

I'm done!

Greg J

Go check out the one that I put up. I didn't put a lot of thought into it but I like it.  I am going to do another one when I have some time.  Love doing those.  :)

Stardust, Loved your Poem(Not a Haiku though, lol), Saw you were looking for bracelets, Here is a link to a site that makes them, You can customize them, dual colors(two colors for barbaro?), name, what ever you like, and you can get them within a week, here you go:

www.reminderband.com/.../index.php

Greg J How cool.  Thanks.  Now I can have some made with all of these names.  I want a few for Barbaro but I do want to make sure that this is not stepping on anyones toes.  I am big on following the law when it comes to copywrite stuff.  

Amanda.  Is this cool if I get a bunch of braceletts made for Barbaro with the Layel colors?  Does the wording have to be different than what is on the braceletts that we already have?  

Mike  Your TB's.  Are you the full owner to all three of your horses?  :)

Thank You Amanda.  THAT is what I was concerned about.  I went over there and noticed a lot of different types of braceletts but I don't want to step on anyones toes.  

I' positive Mike meant no harm in that.  I can still use that site he gave me for other stuff.  Does this money go for the Barbaro fund?

Woops I meant Greg sorry about that.  

Amanda as soon as I can find the braceletts over there, I'll pull out the CC.  :)  I can't seem to find them.  Help?  All I see is the syringe and Barbaro with Edgar.  It turns out I am going to need about 30 of these.  I really want this money to go for the Barbaro fund.  

Greg.  It is going to take some brain activity to do the Haiku LOL.  I need to wake up first.  Yours is really really good.  How you made that so long. How long did that take you?  I will be lucky if I can come up with three lines on the Haiku.  :)

Amanda.  

OK I have figured out that this does go to the Barbaro Memorial fund (which is what I want) but when I try to find the braceletts, I can't find them :(  I put them in the search and it came up nada.  I guess I'll keep on searching.  :)  Most of my friends just want the blue ones and a few want both colors.  The blue as you know is the Democratic color :)  

Thanks for the link Amanda, I didn't think you could get them anymore, So when I googled Barbaro Bracelet, That site I gave Stardust came up, Thanks Again...

HI STARDUST:

Yes,I am full owner to my 3 horses.

I admire that you "don't pull any punches",you express your feelings. There's someone on here,I won't mention names that's on several racing blogs that thinks they "wrote the book" on everything. They really turn me off big time.

OK I found the wrist bands.  Making progress here.  It appears that all they have are the blue ones now.  I hope I don't have to do this over the phone.  I would rather order these on line.  Sooooooooooooooooo much easier. :)

Amanda, Is there any news on Nicanor's Injury ?, Is it healing with no problems ?, Has he been Jogging ?, If everything goes OK, Does Michael have any time table for his Return ?, I know that is alot to ask for, But figured it couldn't hurt to ask?, Thanks...

Mike I'll tell you a story that is really funny.  

I have heard that this unnamed person has mom and dad that have a small % of shares in a few race horses.  Maybe 3% to whatever, I don't know.  This person is telling people that this is her/his horse.  What is so comical about that is in a situation like that, there is no such thing as far as I know.  If you own a horse, you own a horse.  If you own part of a horse you own part of a horse.  If mom and dad own part of a horse, that is their horse not your horse.  It is really funny how people say they own race horses and they don't have anything to do with the monetary side, nor the huge expenses that it takes to even be a part owner.  

My opinion is that if you own a horse, you own the horse, hence you pay all the bills RE: the horse and you make all of the decisions RE: your horse.  This owning 5% of a horse does not mean that you own that horse.  Not even close.  It cracks me up.  

So you being the full owner, you are the one to make the final decisons for your horses and when people don't like it OH WELL, they are YOUR horses.  :)

Mike.  There are people all over the world like that.  When I run into those types of people, I don't stick around long.  I like to go where the love is.  I don't need negativity.  I have a very very special friend in the FOB family that I trust with my life.  She has been teaching me that there is so much positive that we can focus on in a day that there is no room for the negative.  That is so true.  She has been like an Angel to me and has really taught me a lot.  

I so admire her and others that I can learn from.   It is the wanna be know it alls that really in life know nothing that have nothing to offer me.  I have plenty of friends.  They are good and kind and honest friends.  I don't need negativity in my life.  I am too old for that.  :)  I would hate to live my life hating everyone.  That would really suck.  That is why I am so much into the Barbaro family.  We all get it and there is so much love in this group.  In the end it is the love that will prevale, not the 5 million dollar purse.  :)

Stardust, if you don't like negetivity, why did you stick around RPH for so long when no one wanted you there?

Just received a photo I ordered on eBay of Nicanor airborne, with Edgar on him, in the stretch on Jan 31.  Nicanor's head is up, his ears are pricked and turned towards Edgar.  Beautiful photo and clear evidenceof Nicanor's size -- he's huge! -- and ability -- he has heart/courage -- and is, of course, very beautiful.Great photograph!

stardust,

There is a phone number on this site that you might be able to call and order some bracelets www.ntra.com/ridingwithbarbaro

DebG,

I remember reading your delightful account of your visit with Nicanor at Fair Hill.  I remember you described him as acting like a teenager with a crush -- he was playful and kind of flirtatious (can a horse be flirtatious?  I'd bet, yes!) Thank you for that post.  Will you be visiting Fair Hill again this Summer?  If, so, you'll get to see Lentenor and I can't wait to read about that encounter!

when will Nicanor race again and when will Lentenor make his debut?

Confused

What are you talking about?  I have been to some other sites and the ones that I considered to be ones where I didn't stay long.  There was one place and that people were saying horrible things about our president.  All I did there was fill up several DVD's.   When I am in a negative site, I exit. I do things sometimes because I am asked to.  

I have always loved the FOB's and the family of Barbaro.  There is so much love for Barbaro and all of his connections that I don't need to go anywhere else RE: horseracing.  I don't have time. I have been a FOB for years.  

BriGuy

Does this money go for Barbaro and his fund?  This is very important!  I have to make sure that I am donating for the Barbaro Memorial fund.  I need the blue bands cause a lot of my friends are on the democratic side of politics.  They want blue braceletts.  I myself want a little of both.  When I was in WA last month, the people that I was with told me to take off my bracelett cause it was blue. The idea of Obama was all about "no red and blue" in this country, hence I could not wear it.  Had it been red and blue, I could have worn it.  Anyway this is the reason why I need the blue braceletts.  I want the blue and green for myself. OK now I am dizzy.

Amanda.  I still can't get anywhere over there.  I am going to need about 30 of these.  Probably 20 blue ones and 10 that are green and blue.  :)

BriGuy

That is the same site Amanda gave me.  I cannot find the bands.  I looked for them for a couple of hours and finally gave up.  :(

Amanda.  I am in a donating mood today.  Take me somewhere that I can get some things with these horses to help with the research and the legacy of Barbaro OK?  :)

Stardust, I thought you made friends with the teenager who said she owned part of a horse?  Why would you bad mouth her on another site?  Not nice.

"When I was in WA last month, the people that I was with told me to take off my bracelett cause it was blue. The idea of Obama was all about "no red and blue" in this country, hence I could not wear it.  Had it been red and blue, I could have worn it.  Anyway this is the reason why I need the blue braceletts."

That is the singlemost stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Nicanor, just wanted to come over and give you my love and prayers.  Enjoy your apples and all the love you are getting and just get better in your own time.  

Love you baby brother.  :)

YES, Nicanor must be healing OK., A mere 16 days after injury, Looks like They took it easy on him, but AWESOME to see he is back on the track...

Nicanor

Your Comment: BARBAROS BROTHER

Date: February 16, 2009

Track: PALM MEADOWS TRAINING CENTER

Distance: Four Furlongs

Time: 51:60 Breezing

Track Condition: Fast

Surface: Dirt

Rank: 12/14

Amanda, Any news on Nicanor's Buddy, Rockland(Smarty's Son)?, He didn't have a great race the day of Nic's Debut, but, As far as I know, He didn't get hurt, But have not seen any work outs for him, Was Curious, That's All, Thanks...

Greg.  Nicanor is back.  How cool is that?  

How are ya?

Concerned Fan

Your comments are the most stupidest things on this board.  LOL

Well we didn't get our Valentine baby foal darn!  Oh well she is really really pregnant.  Really pregnant.  

I don't know anyone that owns part of a horse.  The only people I know that own horses own their own horse.  I don't know the owners of BB or Curlin.  As far as I am concerned, if you have shares in Fred Meyer, it doesn't mean you own the chain of stores or even one of the stores.  Same with a hores.  Shares are shares, ownership is ownership.  When you own something it belongs to you.  Only then is it really yours.  

forget the triple crown races/the only time Nicanor sees dirt he will be walking acrossed it to get to the turf coarse.

Soto

Huh?  Where have you been?  

"Concerned Fan

Your comments are the most stupidest things on this board.  LOL"

Well, I guess stupid is in the eye of the beholder then.

It's LENTENOR, not Lenntanor or Lentanor

It's GRETCHEN Jackson

It's LAEL not Layel

For people and animals you claim to love so much, you show them great disrespect when you PURPOSELY continue to misspell their names.

And the purpose of the bracelet is to pay tribute to Barbaro and benefit the fund in his name, NOT to color-coordinate with your political party. Which does not OWN red or blue, so your comment about ANYONE ON EARTH caring what color your bracelet was is beyond stupid.

I guess now we have to just hope that Nicanor stays safe and I am sure he will with his team.  

Amanda.... Do you have any idea how Lennnnnnnnnnnnnntanor is?  Gotta love him.  I haven't heard anything yet.  Hmmmmmm just wondered.  :)

Didn't attack her, Amanda - just her comments.

OK Amanda.  I shouldn't have responded to that.  That was a mistake on my part.  Sorry.  

Greg J.

Do you think that MM will run Nicanor a mile again?

Never mind Greg.  Answer me in the other blog K?  :)

Question/thought for the day...anyone ever heard the theory of QUALITY over quantity? In looking at the same old same old same old TIRED comments here, apparently not.

You "FOB" types get incensed when someone with common sense and true knowledge of the sport tries to rein in some of the "crazy" with some logic about horse racing over-all, or Nicanor's rather dismal debut specifically, instead of trying to LEARN something.

There are some VERY astute racing people here, who have tried quite kindly to offer other points of view, and you all just rip them to pieces. So you don't care about the SPORT, you simply want the entire world to hop aboard the Nicanor love train. This may be why you're not endearing Nicanor to everyone.

I'm guessing, but I bet it's a good guess... that some people are not being complimentary to Nicanor because they are SICK of him being heralded as the Second Coming.

For we long time, die hard race fans, the absolute quickest and most surefire way to turn us off a horse, is to tout one who has done exactly nothing, while you explain to us (ad nauseum) why he's the greatest we've ever seen. Trust me, we've seen great, and it wasn't at Gulfstream a few weeks ago.

But that aside, we really can still analyze Nicanor's race fairly and objectively, but because we don't offer him every excuse under the sun, it makes us the bad guys.

But I really believe the reason you're seeing some flack around here, is because the "FOBs" (your word, so don't blame me for using it!), don't WANT to learn anything. Unless everyone is posting "Go Nicanor,  we love you, do it for Barbaro"...we're all Satan's henchmen/women.

So who are really being the naysayers here?

Food for thought.

But if nothing more, I'd bet this blog's moderator would just LOVE if she didn't have to filter through hundreds of posts a day that all say the EXACT same thing. Again and again and again.

I of course  would not dare speak for her, so this too is merely a guess, and an opinion.

Assuming there might be a shred of truth to that, though...my hat is off to you! I would so need some serious mood stabilizers!

You are funny, MyMigraine.

I come here to learn about Barbaros brothers and am bored out of my mind.  Not much new to learn about racing but I am still hopeful that there will be posts that are based in reality.  I loved Barbaro and wish only the best for his kin but think it is a disservice to Barbaro to think that he can be duplicated.

I think the best day was when Barbaro won the Derby in 2006.  After the Preakness, a lot of good stuff happened and it happened for all of the horses.  Because of the wonderful horse Barbaro, the entire racing industry is getting better.  Something had to happen.  

This blog is dedicated to Nicanor and Lentenor, and Barbaro. It is here because of the fame of these horses.   Without the love that has passed on from Barbaro, there would be a lot of horses in a lot more danger than they are.  

ONE horse made a huge difference.  We know it, the Nation knows it and Bloodhorse knows it.  Barbaro changed racing for the better 4 all of the horses.  So I am in agreement with what you have to say.

Just remember who started this wonderful journey.  And please remember the overwhleming love there is for the siblings of this beautiful most loved horse that never lost a race.  Not even the one he broke down in.  That race is far from the finish line.  :)

MyMigraine, Point taken, You are Correct in some aspect, BUT, you also have to remember there are alot of young people on this blog, who DO love nicanor just for being nicanor, nothing more, nothing less, so if there do repeat themselves with the same statements over and over, so be it. Let it be. There are also experts here that do contibute alot of sense about the sport, which, I for one , Have learned alot. With that said, This blog is for everyone who loves horses and the sport of racing. What I cannot understand, WHY would it bother ANYONE so much that there is so much love expressed for this family? Also, I highly doubt Amanda hates filtering through these comments at all, You SHOW me any other blog, website, anything, that has this many comments about one specific family(Owners, Trainers, and Barbaro's family)?, The fact is , In my Opinion, IN the recent history of this sport, I honestly do not believe there has EVER been this much interest ever in one specific family, So why can't people just enjoy that fact ?, That's All...

Greg J

I so agree with you.  I have loved a lot of horses all my life.  It wasn't until Barbaro and the brothers started coming into the world that people (and I'll say this again) that don't even like horseracing took an interest.  That is such a good thing.  The sport really needs Nicanor and Lentenor and Babynor and how ever many more that those two produce.  

Nicanor has from the very day he was born was a very special horse.  I have NEVER seen a blog or a site other than Barbaro's that is dedicated to one horse.  This is a first.  The family of Barbaro has imprinted a  solid stamp in our hearts and it will always be there.  It will be there for so many reasons.  When we see the tracks changing surfaces, the ages of the horses changing to when they are older, the toe grabs, the whip, the drugging, and all of the other thing related to the safety of ALL horses who do we think of?  ONE horse by the name of Barbaro.  The ONE horse that in a century made the difference that the racing industry needed to get better.  

Through his siblings, he lives on.  Some of the  fan base that he has are full of people that go to the race ONLY to see Nicanor. I just talked to someone yesterday that knew nothing about race horses but sure did know about Barbaro and the siblings.  

The more love for these horses the better.  I come to this blog to talk about Nicanor and the others.  If I want to talk about another horse, I am sure that there are other places to do that.  Bloodhorse has a lot of blogs where  a person can do that.  So I am in agreement with you.  

I do believe that all of the horses have gained a lot in the last two years and the reason lies with our Barbaro.  He has done amazing things from Heavean through the FOB's.  He is one very very special horse.  :) Thank You  Amanda and Roy and Gretchen for sharing this amazing family with us.  It is very rare that owners do this.  It is very special and it is greatly appreciated.  

Greg J...

I hear ya, I truly do. And let me clear up that I am not "bothered" by people loving Nicanor, or his relatives and connections, or coming here to discuss him.

What grates on the nerves sometimes is filtering through say, the first 50-60 posts (and then the next 50-60) and they're all the exact same people saying the exact same things, Repeatedly.

It becomes near pointless to find a fresh new voice, ideas, and knowledgeable comments in all that. I don't always have or even want the time to find the one new gem in a board full of same old same old.

For long-time horse racing fans--afficianados, if I dare--it makes for a less than interesting blog, over all. And that is not the gatekeepr's (moderator's) fault, let me make that PERFECTLY clear, as a blog is only as good as the postings.

Thus my opener in my first post of quality over quantity.

I also will stand my opinion (while still not speaking for her, naturally) that Amanda MIGHT find it tiresome while she's checking EVERY post before allowing it to go through, to be reading the same things over and over and over. I respect your opinion that you think otherwise, but not EVERYONE wants to read solely "We love you Nicanor" (etc.), and nothing else...100 times a day.

Of course, I have a choice to read here, as does everyone else, but the blog moderator does NOT have that option, she's got to filter every single one.

But enough on that, because it is obviously JMO, and to be a broken record, I am certainly not going to speak for her.

As I noted, I think any horse that can bring POSITIVE attention to the sport as a WHOLE, is a good thing. Smarty Jones did it, Funny Cide did it, to same a mere recent two. Fortunately, they both had positive stories to draw from, while Nicanor's "legacy" is steeped in the tragic. Not his fault, of course, nor should he be blamed, but it is a constant reminder, and yes a disservice to BOTH horses, to constantly compare him to his ill-fated brother. I personally certainly hope Nicanor turns out not like barbaro at ALL, under the circumstances.

But when some people refuse to hear an opinion that they deem anything less than Nicanor can do NO wrong, and they rise up and come undone over it, it's rather disappointing, because as I am sure you know, the sport DESPERATELY needs new fans, new blood, new interest, and this isn't the way to get it, when it's all about a single horse, ad it MUST all be a positive, hearts and flowers love-fest, regardless of what he's done, or more accurately, hasn't done.

It's the FOBs that will accept nothing less, from anyone.

If Nicanor were driving them in by the hundreds, I'd erect the statue to him myself for single-"hoofedly" saving this sport, but a couple dozen who just watch HIM, does not elevate the sport.

To each there own, and "let it be" as you noted, but as someone who loves this sport SO much, it's saddening, to ME, that this new "fandom" doesn't seem to be going any further than Nicanor, and his IMMEDIATE relatives, alive, unborn, or otherwise.

To end this second and last (from me) post on a positive note, I do tip my hat to the "FOBs" for being actively involved in rescue and re-homing retired, in need racehorses. Breeding is WAY out of control, so the more people out there to lend a hand, a check, a paddock...whatever, I am ALL for!

So in that vein, keep up the good work, and wish you continues huge successes; those horses truly need you, and for all of us who love these TBs, we thank you for that.

Very lastly...a request to the racing Gods...if you can't see fit for the name "Chocolate Candy" to appropriately work on a Derby glass, then may Larry Jones get a HUGELY deserved Kentucky high note this year.

The end ;)

There are a lot of  blogs on Bloodhorse where people can talk about other horses.  There are quite a few of them.  The Derby Trail is one.  This blog is for the Barbaro family and I would think that is why people come here.  Some people are interested in other horses. I have posted in the blogs on bloodhorse.  Some are interested just in the Barbaro group.  After all this particular blog is dedicated to "Tracking Barbaro's Brothers".  :)

SL

Head over to the other blogs.  They are talking about all the horses.  Chocolate Candy and Stardum Bound are a hot topic in I think it is the Derby Trail.  It may be TC Mania.  I know there are a lot of them.  :)  

MyMigraine, Can't really add much, except Well Said, I do want to say, I do believe there are a lot of people here that are realistic on Nicanor's Future on being a Triple Crown Winner. Yes, There are alot that are out there that cannot take negativity about Nicanor and his Connections, But you know what, That is fine !, People need Hope, and if Nicanor & Family are that, Then Great ! I am a realist, BUT, I too am caught up in this Barbaro Fixation (?), I want Nicanor, Lentenor, and all of their family to win every race, Not going to happen, but if it makes people follow the sport a little more, then maybe, just maybe, They will get into other aspects of the sport, follow other horses, jockeys, etc. Just to prove a point, When Nicanor made his debut, I googled his name and found 77 different articles and stories about him, not to mention the story on local TV and CBS evening News Spot, So when you say a couple dozen that watch him, If that was true, Millons have now seen him, heard of him, So maybe that casual fan will be interested and start to follow the sport and Nicanor. I will wrap and say, All this about this family can only help the sport, which it needs in the worst way...

Also, I too am pulling for Freisan Fire !, After Last Year, Larry Jones deserves to go out on top ! Also Stardom Bound, TOF Phil, Rockland, Pioneer of the Nile., That's All...

Oh man I love Chocolate Candy.  One of my favorite horses.  I don't follow that horse that much but from what I do know, beautiful horse there.  :)

Greg J

This is what is so amazing about the Barbaro family and FOB's.  Whether the horse is a winner or not, the fan base is huge.  I have talked to so many people that have not a clue about racing but love the Barbaro bunch.  You are so right.  Barbaro and his journey that is not even close to ending is really making a difference in the world of racing and helping the horses that are done racing or can't race.  

Barbaro was the miricle that was needed for many many years.  None of that was a fluke.  There was a very good reason for the ride with Barbaro and now the ride with his legacy.  Much more than what is just in front of us.  The picture is huge here.  I figured it out not long after Barbaro was put down.  :)

Just to make things perfectly clear from my vantage point, I am not an experienced horseperson.  I am a fan, an off and on fan; when a horse I've been following breaks down and is put down, i am off racing.  When something or some horse comes along that captures my imagination (Nicanor) I am on again.  I love that young horse and know nothing about horse racing.  I freely admit those two facts.  I am here to learn and don't want to be put down for my interest in and support of Nicanor.  Now, can we please change the subject??  This blog has turned into a two person

debate and not much room for the rest of us.

Marigold

I wish that people would all  be on the same page with Nicanor.  We do love him and that is why we are here.  There are so many blogs that people can go to to talk about other horses.  I hear ya.  I come here because of Nicanor and the family of Barbaro.  Why else would I be in this blog?  Greg and I are not debating.  We are just talking back and forth about the same thing.  Nicanor and his fame.  And boy does he have a lot of that.  :)  I am glad you love Nicanor.  You are with the thousands if not millions of us that do.  :)

I also love Zenyatta.  Perhaps Nicanor will have a career like hers?  He'll catch fire at some point this year and go on to race at 4 and 5.  

Then let Lentenor will come along and blow everybody away.  He certainly looks like he has the spirit for it!

Marigold

I too love Zenyatta.  WOW.  I agree with your ideas too.  This journey is just beginning.  We are not even close to finishing Barbaro's journey.  We have so much more to do.  We are barly at the starting gate. :)  Love you BARBARO!  NICANOR!  AND LENTENOR!  And of course mom and dad and oh heck the whole FOB family.  

Marigold,

Don't understand your last comment, "This blog has turned into a two person debate and not much room for the rest of us.",

??, First off, I am not debating anyone, I responded to MyMigraine on a question or a statement.

Stardust and myself are responding to everyone's comments , not just each other's.  So anyways, you probably weren't talking about us , so sorry....

Greg J  Actually I think that this blog has been way off track.  This is a blog for the brothers of Barbaro and I don't understand some of the comments here either.   As far as the debate goes, you and I have not debated.  

I feel she is talking about someone else although  cannot think for her.  I believe she is just tired of the squabbling that was going on and frankly I don't blame her.  

Some people really are not here for these horses.  They are only here with a different agenda.  Whateve that is, it is.  I think that the best thing to do is to vear off of the things that are going in circles and talk about horses.  Have you ever had a book for school and were assigned reading and you didn't want to read the whole thing so you skipped around?  That is pretty much what I do here.  There are people that I gain from and people tht have really nothing to offer me and I just do the school book thing.  I think it makes for a more peaceful life.  

Hope your having a good day.  

Now Greg. Why are you for FF?  I like that horse. I like CC the best so far and ST.  I thought that ST was Larrys horse but found out she wasn't.  Boy did I feel like an idiot.  Oh well won't be the first time.  I just got out of this and really haven't been following this since the demise of Barbaro. It is scaring me to get back in it.  

Stardust, I just have that gut feeling on F.Fire, Like I did with Smarty, Barbaro, Funny Cide, Big Brown & Street Sense. The only derby I lost Was when my favorite, Afleet Alex lost to Giacomo! Stardom Bound, NOW she might get my pick ahead of Fire, She is Incredible. My Favorite of all time was Smarty, though. Also, After the Eight Belles tragedy last year, Larry Jones deserves a win(Yes, I know Old Fashioned is supposed to be better then fire). My Gut, bottom line, is why I like Fire !

Woops I meant Stardom Bound not ST.  Where I got that I have no idea.  I must still be sleeping yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwn.  

Just remember,  "Grief is the price we pay for loving them".  I have to remember this in relation to my own animals.  I am about to lose one of mine and have been grieving in advance.  Also, after I do lose one, I never get over it.  I'm off on a tangent.  What I really wanted to say is, we should just love and follow the horses for as long as we can and as long as they exist.  They, like we, are not immortal.

I think it is wrong to say that winning isn't important.  If Matz's horses didn't win, he would be out of a job.  If the Jacksons didn't have horses win, they would be out of the game.  If Barbaro hadn't won races, the FoB's wouldn't exist.  Race horses race.  Without tracks and races, they would have no purpose.

Marigold:

My sympathy on your impending loss.

Just live each day with him/her as best you can, remember the good times only, knowing he'll be free to roam at will afterwards. Remember for every fallen angel, a new one is born, focus on LVR's foaling when you're feeling down.

Besides, you have us nuts here to help ease your mind with our bantering!

Greg

I like FF better than OF.  Something about OF is bugging me.  Not the horse, just quite can't pin it down.  FF is a good horse. A very pretty horse too.  I still like CC and SB.   :)  I would love to see a filly beat 19 colts in the Derby.  

Marigold

I'll be praying that you get through your speed bumps with and angel by your side.  I know how it feels to lose animals and people.  I have been through a lot of death and you are right.  Enjoy each and every minute you have with them because you never know if it may be the last.  Your post is very good.  :)

SL  If the Jackson's didn't race, it would matter, they don't need the money.  Neither does MM.  I agree that there are people who solely depend on what money they make from their horses for a living.  In my opinion, I feel that racing should be more of a sport and the primary source of income should be something else. That way, I feel that the horses would be in better hands because they are not the main bread makers.  :)

And yes without Barbaro, there would be no FOB's however it was his race to survive that got the attention of the world.  That 7th race that he eventually lost was the one that counted the most and it was not on the track.  

horsenut23

You always know just what to say to someone to make it better.  :)

Stardust:

Thanks, I try!

I think Mike Relva is soooooo wrong!Edger is the best jockey for nicanor. Obvisouly the Matz choose Edger to be his jockey because he like the way he rides and not for sentimential reasons!!!!   :( :( :( :(