Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

tc01 — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:02:04 GMT

i watched custom for carlos run at monmouth gr3 jersey shore 200k sunday short field but he looked great 6f in 108 flat coasted home

so it makes nicanor look good!!

i think he will run all day 1 1/4 will be a great distance once he matures/relaxes mm horse looked good at hp am oaks gr1 700k got boxed in and couldn't make a run and still finished 4th the winner looked great a dynaformer filly!! 1 1/4 !!

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

HorseFirst — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:42:35 GMT

I would still prefer that Nicanor learn to rate. However, here is an example of a horse who, from the article, prefers to run in front and the jockey just lets him go:

www.bloodhorse.com/.../presious-passion-smashes-course-record-in-un

Quite a race and quite a pace! And he did it at 1-3/8 mile. I'm not sure if Nicanor has the capability to run beyond 1-1/8 like he does but time will tell.

Really read the story as there are some similarities that come out, including "maturing" and "there is no fighting this horse."

Elvis Trujillo comes up on the radar as a possible jockey for Nicanor, if Rosie is unavailable. Could be that Rosie has made the same decision about Nicanor although in his last race, as someone else put it, she had her feet on the dashboard trying to come to some compromise. He's still got to learn to relax earlier to pull this kind of win off.

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

Elaine — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:07:59 GMT

I've just come back home from Colonial Downs and the VA Derby is 2 weeks away. The talk I heard there today was that EVERYONE wants to see Nicanor... If Nicanor is a "turf specialist" then he should run on a great surface there at Colonial. The fans I heard buzzing about him want to see him, but I can say that a couple of years ago those of us who hang out at Colonial like myself were GREATLY disappointed when, I think it was Nick Zito, pulled Seaside Retreat from the VA Derby at the last minute. For those of us who wanted to see him in the VA Derby it was like a punch in the stomach.. The cause was said to be "too much heat in VA in July so we're taking him up to Saratogo early." O.K....like the fans will ever forget that lack-luster VA Derby. Let's see Nicanor turn up and give the fans what they want to see. I'll be there with my camera ready! But who will be his rider??

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

jbluesbeatle — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:49:42 GMT

Here you go...horses do train together...it's called "working in company...

Nicanor worked in company with the far more experienced Rockland - who is ... going to be a good horse," said Todd Pletcher, who trains Idol Maker. ...

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

jon — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:45:41 GMT

I had heard and read that Nicanor had trained with Einstein and wish I had saved the article. Also, horses do train in pairs, for seasoning, and Seabiscuit was one example. They may not race, per se, but train such that one horse gets in front and the other catches up, to train to rate, or race on the lead. In fact, Man O' War had trials with Golden Broom, who beat him, because he was able to get away faster. Man O' War had longer legs and took time to get going. Once he did...well, the rest is history.

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

Kathy — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:40:10 GMT

IMO - Nicanor has only one chance at the Virginia Derby as a 3 year old. If he doesn't win, so what? The Jackson's will try another race for another win. If you don't think big, well I guess then you think at another level, take your pick from the other two choices.

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Ashley-Elizabeth — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:55:21 GMT

Yes! I knew Nicanor would soon shine like his big brother Barbaro. Honestly, I see him more as a Turf Racer than Dirt. But then again Barbaro did the same thing. I have complete faith in his trainer and owners! Nicky, Good luck, Keep up the good work.

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Elaine — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:23:13 GMT

Was there a blogger suggesting that Nicanor NOT run at the VA Derby?

Colonial Down's turf surface is excellent. So ....why not take him to Colonial Downs on July 18th for the Derby??

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

Ragsy — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:17:42 GMT

Stardusty Rose:

I dont believe I have seen his name anywhere....Go Nicky wonderful fella, Lentenor (lenny ) cant wait for your first race.....

Run safe, Storm In May friday 7-3-09

at Caulder....Secretariat's GGGgrandson....

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

StardustyRose — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:34:30 GMT

Ragsy.

Mike Relva :)

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Greg J. — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:18:32 GMT

Jon,

FYI, Einstein and Nicanor have never been on the same track, Either racing or in a work-out...

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Greg J. — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:15:50 GMT

FYI,

Lentenor had another Monday Work(Three Monday's in a row), He went 4 Furlong's in 51:20...

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JAJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:27:23 GMT

That's correct, Springsmom83, the "dogs" being up (the rail being set wider than the original track) only counts on a turn. The straight aways stay the same.

Few horses travel the rail, although Nicanor has been lucky to for his past two races.

Jon, you get me every time, lol! Nicanor did NOT beat Einstein in a work. Horses don't race in breezes.

Audra made a very good point. To date, Nicanor has done very well. Should the class he is running against now be the highest class he can be competitive against, he's doing pretty darn good. Very few racehorses ever earn graded black type (placing first, second or third), regardless of their pedigrees.

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Marigold — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:26:05 GMT

Brettzky, thank you very much for the response. I am fascinated by the bloodsock end of horseracing. I, too, think that is the most interesting aspect of this whole business. In fact, it is fascinating to me.

To the rest of you, I am hoping for another colt! I want to flood the racetracks with these brothers and I have a fantasy of the other trainers and owners being overwhelmed by all of them -- "Oh no! Not another one!" And, of course, all of them will be outstanding.

Jon, WHEN did Nicanor race Einstein? WHERE?

re: Nicky Wins Again; Stakes Company Next?

Ragsy — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:26:05 GMT

Stardusty Rose:

Yes, GregJ has very good info but who is Mike???