Stardom Bound Too Slow? Not So Fast My Friend.

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zarvona — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:18:55 GMT

I hope the likes of "Maram" and "Gozzip Girl" come off the Turf and show their stuff!

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stardust — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:25:11 GMT

Mo Man

Let's see how the horses are acting on race day :)

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Mo Man — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:27:03 GMT

M Palmer, based on yesterdays performance, you are correct about Rachel Alexandra. Go ahead folks & bet Stardom Bound as the favorite on Oaks day. I'll be loading up on R. Alexandra!

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m palmer — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:25:36 GMT

I have never considered Stardom Bound the top filly in the US. There is another filly that is far better than Stardom Bound. The first time I saw run, I posted the thread below on the MSNBC HR Message Board.

I recently reviewed the video of the G3 Debutant run at Churchill Downs. The race was won by the Todd Pletcher trained Garden District. She defeated Rachel Alexandra by half length in 1:11.07. My repeated review of the video brought to my attention the performance of runner up Rachel Alexandra. She is sired by Medaglia Doro out of the Roar broodmare Lotta Kim. She is a big strapping filly who clearly had no business being in a 6F race. She exhibited high cruising speed and her long strides allowed her to stay close to the pace. Although she appeared to be still green, she closed with every stride.

Her pedigree is interesting. She's by the top class Medaglia Doro (17 Starts: 8 - 7 - 0, $5,754,720) Winner of: Travers S. (G1-10f), Whitney H. (G1-9f), Donn H. (G1-9f); Runner up in - Belmont S. (G1-12f), Breeders' Cup Classic G1-10F (twice), Wood Memorial S. (G1-9f), Pacific Classic S. (G1-10f), Dubai World Cup (G1-10F) He is by El Prado the sire of a significant number of outstanding turf performers. Rachel Alexandra therefore should have no problems with synthetic tracks'. Her dam is the lightly raced Lotta Kim (4 Starts: 2-1-0, $146,485) is by the Forty Niner Stallion Roar. While I do not like the Mr Prospector broodmare line, I am prepared to recommend this filly based on her second dam Kims Blues who is by the influential Cure The Blues who is from the successful Hail To Reason broodmare sire line.

This filly is a beautiful mover with fluent strides that allow her to cover ground effortlessly. This filly can sit in a 1:10/1:11 pace and run 23 or 24 seconds for her last 2F. The 6F Debutant was woefully short for her, consequently I expecting her to show her true worth when she gets additional real estate to cover. She has only 2 Breeders Cup points and is unlikely to make the Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies field.

This is a beautiful filly that has pace and stamina. Stardom Bound cannot race 13 lengths off the pace and beat this filly. In fact, Stardom Bound can stay home for the Oaks.

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stardust — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:24:50 GMT

I believe that Eight Belles broke down because she just didn't want to stop. I also believe that she wouldn't have had to try as hard to win had she been racing against horses that were drug free. We will never know. I do know this. I know that Larry Jones is ONE of the best trainers in this country. She was dearly loved and dearly taken care of. At first, I thought that it was the jockey but then after I talked to some people, I became convinced that Gabe probably was the best jockey for her because she was used to him. Her breakdown really did it for me. I really veared away from racing on that day. I am very leary to watch it now. One thing I will always do is follow the Barbaro family. Win or lose, they are the best in my eyes. I will always be a FOB.

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stardust — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:19:32 GMT

SB is most certainlly a very good candidate for the Derby. The only thing is it is three months away. It is way too soon to tell. ANYTHING could happen between now and then. It all depends on how she is taken care of and loved. If she faulters before the Derby then we may never know. She is a very good filly.

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stardust — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:07:48 GMT

I think that Stardom Bound had a really good chance at the Derby. Main thing here is just keep her safe. She is a really pretty horse and she is fast.

Mike you are right. This horse is surly going to hit the board somewhere providing she stays healthy till then. I'll be praying for her. Love her.

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Tiznowbaby — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:29:37 GMT

Genuine Risk was a confirmed stalker. She made a devestating move around the turn for home. Eight Belles stalked and acquitted herself beautifully. I do not assume she broke down because she was a filly running against colts (see Barbaro, Prairie Bayou, Charismatic). I think the SA Derby is the perfect time to try her against colts. She's on a track she loves, she doesn't have to travel. If she runs well, then they can make a KD decision. If she doesn't run well, her reputation has suffered nothing.

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Draynay — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:38:37 GMT

Derby34 ... it was just Vineyard Havens first run after a 4 month layoff. Remember a month before the Derby in 1973 Secretariat came in a distant third in the Wood Memorial.

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Abbie Knowles — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:38:12 GMT

Stardom Bound has now won 4 Grade 1's on the bounce which proves what a tough, classy and courageous filly she is! Whatever she does or does not do in the future no can take that achievement away from her!

But she really wants to win so whose to say that she will not prove up to any task set her? She will always be one of my favourite fillies and is a wonderful horse to watch in action with her dramatic last to first surges! It may or may not prove to be ideal tactics for the Derby but her connections are not fools and have time to teach her to stay closer to the pace if they feel not doing so will compromise her chances!

Win or lose or not even run in the race I shall follow her throughout her racing career and then follow her offspring -please God!

God bless

Best wishes

Abbie

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DERBY34 — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:56:22 GMT

M Palmer,

Regarding the filly, my thoughts exactly.

I think I may have fallen a sleep at the wheel. Could it be that Godolphin purchased Mid. & Vine knowing all along that Desert Party was their best chance all along?

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MIKE RELVA — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:23:00 GMT

M PALMER:

I'm one that feel Stardom Bound has plenty to be effective in the Derby. Good luck with that,lol!

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m palmer — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:17:44 GMT

I suspect without fear of being classified as sexist that most of the posters in favor of Stardom Bound's derby start are females. I would implore those you to pause and think about how she would win the Derby. Most of the past fillies that have done well in the derby were built like colts. Stardom Bound does not carry that statue. In addition to their sizes, they had high cruising speeds. SB is a closer that would be closing with older stronger colts like Chocolate candy, Wise Kid, Worrier’s Reserve Patena etc. Does anyone believe that she can stay ten lengths off the pace and catch Desert Party who would be tracking a fast pace and ready to pounce. She is a nice filly but her running style is not suited for derby victory.

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Ida Lee — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:57:58 GMT

It was great watching Rags beat Curlin in the most exciting race ever. (although Curlin is my biggest Equine Crush of all timee). But Rags is after all the "Equine Queen to end all Equine Queens". I saw Stardom this weekend and what a great filly she is and stunningly beautiful. She's a star NOW and will continue to be a star until she retires to be with another of my equine crushes, Big Brown. I, for one, would not bet against her EVER.

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Bellwether — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:32:01 GMT

no better than a thirty thousand claimer...HA HA HA...we would like to get in on that action...Long Live The Queen...

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Householder — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:04:09 GMT

Lite Light hammered them in the Kentucy Oaks. Wow! I forgot how good Santa Anita was in the late 80's early 90's. Every weekend there seemed to be Ferdinand, Alysheba, Winning Colors, Sunday Silence and then Bayakoa's 16 month reign of terror. It's due for another derby winner.

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MIKE RELVA — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:56:10 GMT

Anyone that counts Stardom Bound out is fooling themselves!

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DERBY34 — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:46:29 GMT

Justine,

I don't disagree with her running against boys in the (6) horse fields in CA, heck, they may even get (9), but that's NOT (20).

Draynay,

The "Slow" 1:38 that Old Fashioned ran remains the most impressive race that is stuck in about everyones mind to this point. He's been on top of my list since 10/25.

To Everyone,

It might be wise to take advantage of a unique betting situation this weekend. The Derby Pool#1 opens this week and closes on Sunday. Guess who runs on Monday - Old Fashioned. You will definitely get much higher odds now, than when he goes off as one of the favorites in the Derby.

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Stardom Bound — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:18:36 GMT

Yes, it was a slow race with slow pace. However, it seems like Stardom Bound came home in something like 24 if I am not mistaken. That's not too shabby is it?

Dave

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Matthew W — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:53:32 GMT

I also think Stardom Bound is a Derby contender--The Santa Anita surface isn't too kind to returnees as it seems a bit tiring--all the more reason to like her comeback...Comparing her to Zenyatta is wrong, however, as she is nowhere near Big Z in her acceleration! Still, her running style, along with her low-striding action, puts her squarely in the mix of Derby contenders--The trainer and jock don't hurt, either!

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Tiznowbaby — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:17:50 GMT

OK, now I'm laughing at myself because I see Frankel is sending Ventura to the Kilroe Mile.

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KatintheHat — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:15:11 GMT

Well, I'm sure they'll do their homework. I remember quite well last year when Eight Belles ran the same day Pyro had a "big" win (Sam Davis?) at the same track and Eight Belles had better time/speed figures. That's when the Derby talk started. . .

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Chris — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:26:57 GMT

Serena's Song vs. Flanders brings back so many memories, spellbinding it was.

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Householder — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:21:08 GMT

Winning Colors narrow loss to Goodbye Halo was parlayed into a 10 length victory in the Santa Anita Derby some 6-8 weeks later against some good ones (Lively One). I think it is time for another grey filly to take on the boys. Stardom Bound would only be the 4th filly to win that race. Lite Light...and Hammertime Stables. He and his posse would cause quite a stir in the paddock. Rumor at the time was that he also put his money where his mouth was, making personal bets with rival owners. No wonder he is now broke preaching on the television.

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Becky Johnston — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:50:27 GMT

No, he doesn't regularly do it, but I don't know that he has had a three-year-old filly that could do it. I know he had a filly named Flute that he thought a lot of some years back.