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re: Fasig-Tipton Catalog Updates -- Nice!

sgillies — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:27:50 GMT

Always Awesome, the mare whose catalog page I used as an example in this post, sold for $1 million at the sale.

re: German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

cgc — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:04:22 GMT

Here you will find more information about KONIGSSTUHL & SURUMU –

two of the greatets stallions and the most succssful cross in Germany!

www.cgc-bloodstock.com/.../all_pride__syndicate.HTM

MONSUN (Konigsstuhl)

The most successful representative of the best German bloodlines at stud

ACATENANGO & PLATINI

Surumu’s best son’s at stud

All Pride by Platini (Surumu) ex Dam 2nd. Allegretta,

Dam too of King’s Best & Urban Sea, Dam of Galileo, Sea the Stars

Dam-sire Plugged Nickle (Key To The Mint by Graustark by Ribot

Plugged Nickle ex Broodmare of the Year Toll Booth 3-l (Buckpasser) Family of A.P.Indy

ALL PRIDE Half Sister ALWAYS AWESOME Makes $1 Mill At Fasig-Tipton Keeneland 11-Oct-2009

ALWAYS AWESOME (USA) 2000 f by Awesome Again ex Anzille (Plugged Nickle) ex Allegretta

ALLEGRETTA - THE DAM WITH WORLD FAME

URBAN SEA - WINNER G1 PRIX DE L’ARC DE TRIOMPHE

SEA THE STARS - WINNER G1 PRIX DE L’ARC DE TRIOMPHE 2009

GALILEO - THE NEW SUPERSTAR STALLION

The top sire under the age of 18 in the world right now!

Scot's reply: All Pride (pedigree) is by a son of Surumu out of a daughter of Allegretta. Interestingly, Surumu is a Birkhahn/Tantieme cross and Allegretta is from the Tantieme line with Birkhahn as a second damsire. All Pride is half-brother to Always Awesome, who I used as an example in a previous blog post about Fasig-Tipton's online catalog page updates.

re: A Multitude of Passion

Kathy — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:32:40 GMT

Where could I find out more information for us first time nickers? I am a new TB owner that wants to understand the ABC's of nicking - do you have an article for us ? Nicking for Dummies?

Scot's reply: I'll switch caps from "pedigrees" to "nicks" for a moment and point you to our TrueNicks site. You can read a bit about Thoroughbred nicking theory in About TrueNicks. Once there you'll find a link to watch an online seminar to hear more detail.

re: German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

C Bea — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:47:36 GMT

German mares are a great source of soundness and stamina. I don't see a German stallion making it just yet here in the State unless Adena Springs takes a chance on something different like they did with El Prado.

The German lines in many ways are superior to our in that they don't allow stallions racing on medication to stand at stud. This helps purge many bad qualities out of their stock.

Nice speedy domestic stallion on top of some good old fashioned, sound German stock. Classic winners galore!!

re: Hard-Knocking Eagle Time Serves Double Duty

Amanda — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:12:24 GMT

"Who would claim a 12-year-old stud? I think his owner/trainer probably feels fairly safe running him in claiming races."

I'm not familiar with racing in that part of the country, but I do know here on the East Coast, there are quite a few owners and trainers who relish the older-type, been there done that racer. I could see a few different trainers here snatching him up, then having him undergo their "miracle surgery" that makes them completely different horses.

re: Hard-Knocking Eagle Time Serves Double Duty

Amanda — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:08:40 GMT

To JShandler:

Do you know of any scientific studies looking at whether older horses are more prone to break down than younger ones? I can see both sides here. A horse who is still sound at 12 probably has some pretty strong bones and good staying power, but maybe the continued wear-and-tear affects him some how? It would be an interesting study.

"If people fear watching horses break down, perhaps they should find another sport to follow."

Are you serious? What a heartless statement. GOD FORBID the fans of racing, which are becoming fewer and fewer and more far between, don't enjoy watching breakdowns and want to make it better. You have no business being involved in horse racing with a statement like that.

re: German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

Jim P — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:49:36 GMT

Thanks for the research and info on this stallion and on Monsun. I'm all for anything that helps put soundness combined with class back in the breed. Great work!!!

re: German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

Kaydee815 — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:10:19 GMT

SO glad you featured the German stallions. I would love for us to take advantage of some of those German bloodlines, esp. some of the Konighssthul line.

re: Couple of Mares at Keeneland Day 3

Pedigree Shelly — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:04:28 GMT

Check out hip # 751 Common Channel By Empire Maker Out of group placed winner Heeremandi by Royal Academy . I especially like her female family ! She decends from the great mare Almahmoud ,grand-dam of the immortal Northern Dancer! Her third dam Cosmah is the dam of the stamina sire Halo ! There are so many others too numerous to mention in her female family ! I also like the fact she's in foal to Sky Mesa ,A similar cross that produced the good young stallion ,Tapit !

Scot's reply: You chose a nice mare, Shelly. Sale price $80,000.

re: German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

Pedigree Shelly — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:01:59 GMT

A group winning son of Monsun would be well supported by breeders here in the States that are looking for a refreshing outcross !

re: German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

Kathryn — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:57:49 GMT

Do you have any information on the 1930s race mare Nereide, who won the Deutsches Derby? What are her foal's impact on racing/breeding, as well as her own?

Scot's reply: Here are a few basics... perhaps a reader who's studied German breeding history can supply more information. Nereide (GER) was born in 1933 and was by Laland (GER), the fifth generation of the Trachenberg (GER) sire line developed in Germany; the larger line was Highflyer (GB)'s son Sir Peter (GB) through Buccaneer (GB). Nereide's dam was the 1924 mare Nella da Gubbio (ITY) (by Grand Parade (GB) from the Orme (GB) line). Her dam, the family 4-r mare Nera Di Bicci, was a Tesio mare. Nereide had three registered foals: Nuvolari (GER) and Nordlicht were stakes-winning Oleander (GER) sons who became sires. Daughter Nerepha (by Pharis II (FR)), had a stakes-winning gelding and another son that did not serve at stud.

re: German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

Daylami — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:50:17 GMT

Are they going to retire Proudinsky this year?

Scot's reply: Proudinsky was scratched from a Belmont grade III a few weeks ago in what would have been a comeback from several months off. It seems unlikely that he'll actually go to stud in 2010 if he's in good racing form -- with the stallion market as it is, the better choice for a horse such as this is probably to keep him at the track.

re: Couple of Mares at Keeneland Day 3

Ebourne — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:17:29 GMT

I have a comment on hip 577 River Flower.

I followed her on the track and she was entered for a Tag At Arlington,I was not solvent enough to get her.

She was a game filly.And went o to do very well racing.

I feel at the price she brought today was a steal.

She is a bit crooked and come to find out she is a cribber.

But her yearling sold well in Sept and was a nice Individual.

Could I get your opinion on her?

Again,I was not solvant enough to get her today.But I feel really strong about her.

Scot's reply: I'm afraid I didn't watch her go through the ring so I can't comment on her physicality. I do like a lot about her catalog page. 32 starts and 25 times in the money are great numbers ... the Halo sire line and strong family are pluses ... as is the fact that the mare could perform on both dirt and turf. Sales price $27,000 IFT Ghostzapper looks like a bargain considering she sold for $100,000 one year ago IFT his sire Awesome Again.

re: Couple of Mares at Keeneland Day 3

sgillies — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:58:36 GMT

Update: Bergamot sold for $47,000. Coronado's Dancer went for $17,000.

German-Blooded Thoroughbred Stallions With Sire Potential for 2010

The Five-Cross Files — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:55:48 GMT

Descending from a full sister to the sire of German stallion great Surumu is Lauro, a graded-winning son of Monsun who's set to enter stud duty in 2010. Here's some more information on him as well as five other potential stallions with German bloodlines