Is This a Broodmare, Take II

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Julie L. — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:32:12 GMT

Must say that I would need to see this mare's vet records to see just what is going on. Her breeding is impeccible and I like her size, you said she was 17 hands so with that said I would still be interested in the possiblity of getting foals out of her and would be looking at the Seattle Slew/Bold Ruler, Mr. Prospector/Raise a Native and Dynaformer/Roberto line stallions also Relaunch/In Reality line but would stay away from anymore Northern Dancer influence. I too love Deputy Minister as a broodmare sire.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Dawn — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:33:57 GMT

I just found this blog and I think its great! I have a question about broodmares....How conceivable/affordable would it be for someone trying to get a start in this business, to claim a filly/mare that shows talent and has a decent pedigree?

Scot's reply: Great question! Later this month, we'll take a look at claiming fillies/mares for breeding stock.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Chris — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:04:40 GMT

I think she'd be worth a shot for $7,500. But, I would'nt pay sticker price for anything.

Aside that we all know that there have been some cases of a family line not producing anything notable for 2-3 generations and then all of a sudden BAM !! And probably simply because someone else finally did there homework on bloodlines.

I think you just have to do your homework and pick the right sire for the mare's lines that you have and not just pick one whose a commercial success or a more popular name.

Someone like "Fast Play" might be right for this one.

With Deputy Minister being from the Northern Dancer line I still think you should go with a stud who has the old faithful perfect match in Buckpasser somewhere as close up as you can get him.

We all know the successes of that cross either way. And YES it's still working in todays generations. Just take another looksee at "Touch Gold's" pedigree if you don't think so.

Also...according to Fast Play's (SRO), He and a Deputy Minister mare have already produced a (PAN-I) S.W.

Just a thought !!!

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Perplexed — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:56:25 GMT

She had real trouble carrying a foal when young, there is zero reason to believe this will improve with age...

If this mare were led through a sale this fall she might bring a bid above the upset

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

LCM — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:36:18 GMT

Scot, I think it's time to ask the same question "Is this a broodmare?" about DREAMY MIMI who is also listed on STARQUINE.COM. I'd like to hear the responses from the readers and yourself.

Scot's reply: Thanks for the suggestion, LCM. I think we've already heard several comments about what readers think of this mare's situation. In my "Is This a Broodmare?" series, I'm really trying for something specific. When I find a listed mare that I think would be a GOOD fit in specific breeding programs or whose bloodlines are remarkable (good or bad!), I seek comments from readers. In a case where the mare is 22 years old, I'd expect the majority of readers would agree that she is nearing the end of her broodmare career. Please do keep on the lookout for future "Is This a Broodmare?" candidates and let me know when you find something special.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

LCM — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:36:18 GMT

Scot, I think it's time to ask the same question "Is this a broodmare?" about DREAMY MIMI who is also listed on STARQUINE.COM. I'd like to hear the responses from the readers and yourself.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Kayte — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:29:36 GMT

As pretty as this mare is and bred as this mare is, I wouldn't waste the $10k on her. My main concern is that she has slipped or been barren more often that she has produced anything and it seems that when she does have a foal, no matter who it is by, it doesn't seem to inherit anything.

Maybe some suggestions are right- though I'm not much of a fan of inbreeding the Northern Dancer line (despite my Canadian roots). There is so much Northern Dancer out there that, if I were a Thoroughbred breeder, I would want to start breed horses that don't have him or Mr. Prospector in them.

My suggestion to the owner would be to donate her to a retirement foundation or stop listing her as a broodmare. She's a big, beautiful mare- even at age 15, she may find a home elsewhere that will find her a new career, either as a trail horse or a basic level dressage prospect. Racing and breeding aren't for her.

This where, if I was a small time breeder, I would take the chance on the $1000 mare before, rather than take the more risky chance of this pedigreed mare and lose my money when she comes up barren or misccarries her foal.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

jamie d — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:42:12 GMT

not all deputyminister mares are a golden egg when sent to the broodmare band. that s how people part ways with their money .give me an honest mare lets say by gentleman, and i would take her over the worst mare by mr. prospector. if you see where im heading. real bad balance hear.maybe send her to montbrook or his good son chapel royal their both lookers.besides coolmore will let you live your dreams she wont get turned down . go chapel royal.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

ROBERT — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:45:46 GMT

Since this mare has some Nashua blood in her, I would try inbreeding to that great stallion. I would also try to do a "Big Brown" inbreeding with her, and do some close up inbreeding. If she has not produced anything, try adding some inbreeding to the big stallions she has. I would also try some complete outcrossing with her. If you can find some German bred stallions, give it a try. She is very well bred, but I would buy her but not for $20,000. Maybe $7500. I think the close up inbreeding would be ok, because it would be to superior individuals and since she is outcrossed within her first 5 generations, it would be ok. After reading the other postings and your blog article, it looks like she just needs to have her genetic pool stirred up a bit. I enjoyed your posting very much. DO MORE of it.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Anna — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:01:42 GMT

Have your vet check her and see what the problem is. I know the seller is a straight forward sort of guy, but you should always bring your own vet ANYWAY when you examine a possible horse.

I agree with you on the Deputy Minister, but its a double whammy to have Graustark there too! I'm salivating.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Huh — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:40:16 GMT

DynaformerLives:

Purim would be perfect for Ferris Wheel because he would correct her bad conformation.

Whatever:

Horses being bred to death is techinally not true but mares do die due to foaling complications but that can happen at any point in a mares broodmare career.

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

lespedeeza — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:33:38 GMT

She's tall and long and her successful ancestors ran well long on the grass. She wouldn't be commercially attractive and there are few stallions with her body type in this country. Unfortunately her pedigree would make someone ignore her conformation. Forget her head (they're not supposed to run on their heads...), her body and legs do not convey a balanced scopey mover. They have to look good in real life as well as on paper. To her credit, it's a bad picture-the pedigree would be worth a road trip.

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tbHORSERACINGrules — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:31:04 GMT

BTJake,

Add about 20+ years to that for me and ditto your comment. The complications from foaling, well maybe those mares would have been long gone if they hadn't been broodmares who's to say they would've gotten the meticulous, no expense spared care they get. The colic, we have a mare whose colic only has happened when she wasn't in foal, logical I don't know but it happened. And on, and on....

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

BTJake — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:02:20 GMT

After 40+ years in the business of breeding...I can't think of a single example of a mare being "bred to death". Can you site me an example?

re: Is This a Broodmare, Take II

Whatever — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:46:56 GMT

Someone will buy her and breed her to death, no doubt.