Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

John T — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:11:57 GMT

Kingmambo could have one last hurrah.He is the sire of Voodoo Prince who is out of the famous

racemare Ouija Board.Unraced still

at 3 he could make it to the races

as early as the first Newmarket meeting in April.

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

Pedigree Shelly — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:05:17 GMT

It's great to see Kingmambo brought up to chef de race status , he's earned it ! I especially like him going in the Classic / Solid category , in which he belongs ! Don't forget about Lemon Drop Kid , he still throws some nice ones ! Off the subject , I'm thrilled to see that the Mosses' chose Bernardini for Zenyatta ,a classy move !!!

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

Pedigree Ann — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:22 GMT

Miesque tried a distance in the toughest race for her division - the Oaks - and finished second! That doesn't mean she didn't stay, it only means she met a horse who was better on the day and in the conditions; she beat the rest of the field. And it was one try, as a 3yo in the spring. So many horses who don't get a classic distance that early in the year, can later - Came Home is one example.

And by the way, in his first edition "Typology of the Racehorse", Franco Varola defined 5 categories (which were NOT based primarily on distance proclivities) - Brilliant, Intermediate, Classic, Stout, and Professional. Later he subdivided two of the categories - Brilliant into Brilliant and Transbrilliant, and Stout into Solid and Rough. So all Solid sires are Stout, but not all Stout sires are Solid.

Roman did not originate dosage; he took Varola's system, without seeming to understand it, and mangled it sufficiently so that he could call it his own. And he redefined "chef-de-race", literally "leaders of the breed" so that some quite unimportant horses like Apalachee were made chefs.

But Varola did not originate dosage either; he was only the first to categorize stallions. Col. Vuillier was the first to create a system of mating horses so that their 'dose' of certain breed-changing animals (mares included) were balanced optimally in the offspring.

So please remember that Roman Dosage is not the only dosage system out there and not necessarily the best.

PS. Neither Varola's nor Roman's doctorate is in genetics or statistics; Roman was a chemist and Varola was a racing journalist. Vuilliers was a cavalry officer. All were self-taught pedigree researchers. Just because some have 'Dr.' in front of the name and use numbers does not make their systems scientifically valid.

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

Robert — Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:53:19 GMT

If memory serves me right, Kitalpha has tested very high on the heart size meter.

Miesque was tried farther than a mile, but she ran second in the 1 5/16th mile race. SHe probably was just too tough at a mile for her connections to bother with anything else. I don't see Kingmambo being a CLassic/Stout influence. Classic...yes. But not Stout or Solid as some call it. Hopefully he will also go down as a top broodmare sire.

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

Racinfilly — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:22:37 GMT

Shipping a mare to Kitalpha this season. Fingers crossed that his progeny will show just as talented here in the US.

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

Pedigree Ann — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:01:49 GMT

So many fine horses these days are never given a chance to 'be all that they can be.' Unlike the great Brigadier Gerard.

After establishing his dominance at the mile, the Bridagier went on to win the 12f KGVIQE Stk as an older horse. Yes, he was then beaten by Roberto, given an enterprising ride by Braulio Baeza, going 10f at York. But he did not lose because he couldn't get the distance.

That is why I applauded So You Think's connections for putting him in the Melbourne Cup (2 miles), despite not having run a 12f prep. As it turned out, he ran a respectable third after being rank early; and his reputation went up, not down.

Why didn't they try Kingmambo at longer distances? Both Mr. Prospector and damsire Nureyev (another never even tried longer than a mile) had sired top-class 12f horses. Pasadoble was sired by real Jockey Club Gold Cup (2 miles) winner Prove Out, and was herself a half-sister to Silver Supreme, second in a 12f version of the same race.

Actually, one wonders why Miesque was kept at a mile or thereabouts. Nothing in her pedigree shouted that that should be her absolute limit. One never knows if one doesn't TRY.

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

David Cowl — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:46:37 GMT

How does a stallion attain "chef-de-race" status?

Scot's reply: Dr. Roman oversees the chef-de-race list. He identifies stallions with widespread and predictable influence on the breed. Widespread meaning the stallions appear in pedigrees through multiple sources, and predictable meaning that they have an observed influence in a particular aptitude. Dr. Roman's site, linked above, has quite a bit of information on the Dosage classifications.

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katethegreat — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:58:03 GMT

Long Live The King!!!

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K.Rob — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:32:06 GMT

His son, King Kamehameha, was leading sire in Japan for 2010.

www.pedigreequery.com/king+kamehameha

re: Kingmambo Is "C/S" Dosage Influence

sgillies — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:29:32 GMT

Kingmambo is pensioned, but he has two full brothers still active. Miesque's Son was a French group-winning and multiple group I-placed sprinter who stood at Three Chimneys and briefly in California before being sent to Haras des Chartreux in France in 2004. Their full brother Kitalpha was unraced but proved an excellent sire in Zimbabwe--champion sire there for three years--and was returned to Kentucky. He stands at War Horse Place in Lexington and has established himself as a commercial prospect.