Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

RetiredGallopGirl — Fri, 31 May 2013 17:57:24 GMT

I used to ride a grandson of Damascus, actually two. After 10 years of galloping horses, I fell for that horse like no other. When he had to retire, I adopted him and soon retired from racing as well. I have a mare, not a TB, that I dreamed of breeding to a son of Damascus but they are retired. Even the grandsons are hard to find. I am only looking to bred for temperament. I'm looking to create a foal that will keep my heart from shattering come the day my boy is no more. It probably sounds like a ridiculous reason, I suppose, for those who are breeding for speed. If anyone has suggestions I'd be grateful.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Cheryl — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 02:43:40 GMT

I own a gr-granddaughter of Damascus, her grandfather is Time For A Change. Damascus also appears on her dams side as gr-gr grandsire as well as Native Dancer. My mares name is Western Change.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Beth — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:47:26 GMT

I have a Great Great Grandson of Damascus. He's coming three and will be standing at our farm, probably starting in 2011. He's by Sultry Song out of an El Baba mare and he's gorgeous, both in looks and movement. He's currently getting started under saddle as a dressage prospect.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

impalla1960 — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:03:09 GMT

We have a grand daughter of damascus her name is desert duet we were thinking about breeding her to keep some of the damascus bloodline going

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

dennismc — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:31:58 GMT

can i echo the comments of angel l of december Mizzen Mist is a very underated sire with huge potential and from a great Juddmonte family He has had some notable success in the uk from very few runners

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

oak orchard — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:28:43 GMT

You have overlooked Crusader Sword (Damascus x Copernica). He is still standing at stud in upstate NY. His son, Tin Cup Chalice made quite an impression in 2008.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

vineyridge — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:14:09 GMT

There is another line of Teddy alive in North America. It's used for sport horse breeding, but it's still Teddy and could be used by race breeders for linebreeding.

I'm talking about Castle Cove, a stallion who stands in Virginia. He is Teddy through Ortello/Sirte/Clavier/Castle Magic.

Scot's reply: Thanks, Vineyridge! This is one that probably is unknown to most race breeders. Here's Castle Cove's pedigree.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

sgillies — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:50:34 GMT

As "noogs" pointed out, Gilded Time has wavered on the edge of long-term influence as a Damascus-line sire. It's unfortunate that his new home in Canada doesn't do a better job publicizing him -- North American breeders should be tapping this line! Gilded Time is a nice outcross to many sire lines and has had above-average success with mares from both the Northern Dancer and Mr. Prospector lines. His best match thus far has also been one that's been tried a lot (at least, relative to Gilded Time's overall numbers): daughters of Gulch (SRO) have produced over 70% winners and an impressive 29% black type winners when crossed with this stallion.

That said... Gayego (profile) is probably going to be the strongest branch of the Gilded Time tree -- and now that he's a Godolphin Stables colt, it's probably not too much of a leap to assume he'll go on to a well-supported stud career. Can't wait to see his performance in the UAE!

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Redbean — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:38:23 GMT

There is a lady in Texas who owns a great son of Damascus named Festive. I'm assuming he is still alive and in good health, he was when I talked to his owner about him last year. They are not really interested in breeding him anymore but might be talked into it. Look up Cross-Leiseth Racing. I believe she might have some yearlings for sale by him.

Scot's reply: Thanks for pointing out this stallion, Redbean. He's listed in the Alphabetical Index at the end of the 2009 Blood-Horse Stallion Register, including contact information for Cross-Leiseth Racing in Valley View, Texas. Nice lines -- a son of Damascus out of a Buckpasser mare, and therefore inbred to Blue Larkspur. (You don't see too much of that anymore!)

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Greg — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:42:03 GMT

A good friend has a maiden stud bred 2 X 3 on Damascus and he has suggested trying to breed A.P. Indy or storm cat mares to bring in Nasrullah. My question is can you expect to bring in Nasrullah that far back and have any benefit from it? Seems to me there would be significant influence from the generations closer up.

Scot's reply: Thanks for the question, Greg. I see that you've posted a similar comment in the thread on "New Sires of 2009" and I've responded there.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Patties Critters — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:33:03 GMT

I was blessed to witness "Time for a Change" (sired by Damascus) win the Flamingo Stakes in 1984 at Hialeah Race Track. "Time for a Change" was a very Handsome Well Built Horse plus he had the "Teddy & Ajax" bloodlines. So, I was shocked when I heard "Gambling Time" (Damsire: Time for a Change) was sent to an auction to be slaughtered a few months ago. He is only 7 years old. I Thank the Lord for "New Vocations Horse Rescue Foundation" that saved "Gambling Time's" life, who's bloodlines include Damascus, Reviewer and Bold Ruler. It breaks my heart to think about how many other horses do not get rescued. God Bless the Horses and Merry Christmas.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Trakama — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:56:59 GMT

What about Eastern Echo? Seems Swiss Yodeler is doing rather well in California.

Moving these Stallions to stand in different markets around the country if for no more than a season would allow more opportunity to present itself to this line. That however, would be in the hands of the Stallions owners to have the foresight such a move would be to the breed itself in years to come.

It does seem, were it not for the enivironmemt of the commerical sales market this line would possibly stand more of a chance down the road.

It is not simply up to the breeders, it is also up to the buyers to take this line more seriously as it does throw soundness into its progeny.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Roman — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:56:55 GMT

I have a great grandson of Damascus via Private Account and Life Interest, his register name: Tide Ruler, foaled April 12, 1992, never raced, but is gorgeous, he is being bred to appendix and quarter mares...beatiful foals, not race yet. Have photos, he lives in Ensenada, Mexico...

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

noogs1 — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:14:16 GMT

You kind of left Gilded Time out. Sire of this years classisist Gayego he stands in Canada.

He may not be in one register but he is in the other.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

m palmer — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:41:02 GMT

It’s interesting you are reviewing the Damascus line. The horse I like for 2009 Kentucky Derby is Coronet of a Baron. His dam Time For A Clown is by Damascus son Time For A Change. Damascus won the Woodward by 10L over the legendary Buckpasser and Dr. Fager. In spite of the talent of this exceptional horse, no broodmare from his line has produced a KD winner. In his fourth start and first on turf, Coronet of a Baron was beaten 21/2 lengths by Donativum and Westphalia who were making their sixth and seventh start respedtively on the surface. They also recorded multiple graded wins in these starts, whereas COB has only a maiden victory to his credit. I believe Coronet of a Baron who is a smallish April 27, colt, has a lot of scope for development over the winter and will be a strong representative of the Damascus broodmare line in the spring. It is inconceivable that a talent like Damascus is neither the sire nor grandsire of a broodmare that has produced a KD winner. He is overdue.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

cat — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:25:48 GMT

What about Gilded time? He is becoming a very useful broodmare sire and I think has potential to still throw a sire

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Shimatoree — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:18:17 GMT

The only possible way to revive this sire line is through in-breeding. That would require some courage on the part of breeders and acquisition of source animals who are sound and have racing ability.

For example- there are still a few mares left by Damascus- it would worthwhile breeding them to a horse who is physicaly and functionaly a representative of Damascus- unlike Skip Away though he is not a true physical-Damascus type.

To make this point a little more emphatic- keep this in mind.

To-day the sire line of the Great Man'O'War is alive due to close in-breeding- War Relic who was in-bred and then In Reality who is also closely in-bred.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Roger — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:51:28 GMT

While history may recall that the Damascus line falls he has been of significance in Australia. Damascas is the broodmare sire of Secret Savings which was a stakes winner in the US. Secret Savings has been a successful sire at Emirates Park. Secret Savings has a couple of sons at Stud including Dash for Cash. The best runners for secret savings have Northern Dancer and Halo in the dam lines.

Maybe Secret Savings was a loss.

US breeders should give careful consideration to Australian Sires as there are a couple of lines that will replicate some oustanding lines that are prevelant in the US such as Sierra, Sainfoin and Mumtaz Begum. These are Century (eg Dash for Cash), Biscay.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

NEVERKICKYOURDOG — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:20:52 GMT

SINCE NO ONE ASKED AND SINCE THE SUBJECT IS DAMASCUS, I HAVE TO BABBLE ON:

OTHER THAN THE GERMAN MARES AND ANY OTHER UNTRIED FOREIGN BLOOD, MY OWN POOL OF MARES FROM NORTH AMERICAN SIRES WOULD INCLUDE DAUGHTERS OF(IN ORDER):

1. BOWMAN'S BAND; 2. MIZZEN MAST; 3. CEE'S TIZZY; 4. INDIAN CHARLIE; 5. ARCH; 6. PLEASANT TAP/BEHRENS; 7. WHO'S YOUR DADDY; 8. SULTRY SONG; 9. REPRICED; 10. PRIME TIMBER; 11. FULL MANDATE; &12. EXPRESS TOUR.

FOR 2010, I WOULD ADD CANDY RIDE AND CASTLEDALE.

IT WOULD BE ESPECIALLY MEANINGFUL IF A GALBRAETH-RESPONSIBLE MARE WOULD BE THE DAMASCUS LINE'S LEGACY LINK.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

Angel L — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:51:00 GMT

I was glad when they brought Frisk Me Now down to Puerto Rico. I have a daughter of Menifee and Casanova Star in foal to him right now. He is a millioner and retired sound. I'm trying to keep the Damascus line alive. I was a witness back in 1990 of what Damascus could bring to the table; his grandson Mister Frisky. So far, Frisk Me Now have 3 SW's in Puerto Rico and he is just getting started down here, so I think we are going to have Damascus sire line in Puerto Rico for a while.

re: Rare Thoroughbred Sire Lines -- Ormonde and Teddy and Damascus

NEVERKICKYOURDOG — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:39:39 GMT

IN MY OPINION, THE ONLY WAY TO SHORE UP AND MAINTAIN THIS SIRE LINE IS TO BREED THOSE ON YOUR ROSTER TO ALOT OF DIFFERENT MARES INCLUDING IMPORTS--ESPECIALLY GERMAN IMPORTS. EXPERIMENT.

REGARDING DAMASCUS(SKIP AWAY), YOU MIGHT SAY THAT I HAD A CLOSE INVOLVEMENT WITH DAMASCUS AND WITH COURT CIRCUIT IN 1966 & '67 DURING SUMMER BREAKS FROM COLLEGE.

DAMASCUS WAS BRED TO COURT CIRCUIT PRODUCING CHAMPION SPRINTER--HONORABLE MISS-- AND BAILJUMPER WHO SIRED SKIP TRIAL (SKIP AWAY)AND WHO WAS MADAGLIA D'ORO'S BROODMARE SIRE.

IT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE TO LOSE THIS LINE...THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE IT.