Storm Cat Back in Service -- For $20,000 -- Yes, Really

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i love my horse talullah — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:15:09 GMT

i know storm cats son he is here in my country and town and his son is called thunderstorm and looks just like storm cat.

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ILoveHorsesMyHorses — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:55:13 GMT

I have running quarter horses I've been around livestock and horses along with coon dogs regular dogs sheep goats deer anything you can think of I live in the middle of no where. I have bloodlines such as First Down Dash Zevi Easy Jet Special Effort Deposit Ticket(TB) and I liove everyone of my horses I'm a grown man and cried when I gave the pony I owned away. I like the idea of bringing Storm Cat in especially if I could afford his colts after we find out what they can do and who he crosses best with and thank you AQHA and the jockey club for doing what you do and offering all the oppurtunities you offer to people and horses and for poeple who are so against the slaughter and industrialization of horse bi products thank you for killing the horse because you think youre doing whats right the horses that need to die cant full fill any other function than costing people money and giving nothing in return. When a horse is turned into dog food or glue or food it gives back it serves a purpose still in life it keeps living because it keeps giving just like we all wish we could still do after we die. We become organ donors we donate our kidneys while were living so we can keep giving when were gone. When this is made possible again then the horses that are alive can live better lives again until you all figure that out your killing our horses.

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gail — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:58:06 GMT

To say that breeding Storm Cat to Quarter Horses implies that somehow the Quarter Horse is inferior to the Thoroughbred. I hope that while all horse owners have their particular preferences, they are open minded enough to appreciate what each unique breed has to offer. I'm sure that Storm Cat has had a life of priviledge as far as horses go, and is still very well cared for, he probably doesn't mind taking time out from his busy days in retirement for semen collection. As far as being greedy goes, his owners still have a stallion that has a great deal to contribute to both Quarter Horses and Thoroughbreds, why shouldn't they charge for the honor of Storm Cat genes. He's a legend, and while $20,000 is considerably less that his fee in his heyday, $500,000 is not the type of fee normally paid in the QH industry. This is an experiment, so no one in their right mind would spend that kind of money on an unproven sire, which, crossed to QH's, Storm Cat is. As the owner of a mare that is truly beloved and quite long in the tooth, it thrills me to know that any horse of advanced years is valued. It would be far worse if a stallion of Storm Cats stature wound up like Ferdinand.

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kitkat — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:06:09 GMT

I am happy so see it and will be interesting to me to see the outcome of the foals since my mare seems to be almost a one-of-a-kind right now.

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kitkat — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:04:18 GMT

I own a young mare by Storm Cat lines on top and Flashy Zipper on bottom. She is very gentle, intelligent, fast learner and will work all day for me. She does have a few quirts, mainly a "green" thing and is a sensitive horse. She has the fast-twitch muscles racers look for. She is extremely catty and the most athletic horse I have ever ridden. I hope to make a great barrel horse out of her ! I also own an appendix by a Rene Dan Jet son out of a TB mare by Regal Classic top and Phone Trick bottom and she has so far at 3 proven to be highly trainable, has perfect conformation.

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Michelle — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:34:03 GMT

What a great thing to happen for the quarter horse industry. Lets face, look at the pedigrees of our running quarter horses. They all go back to Thoroughbreds. And how can anybody talk poorly about a thoroughbred when there are so many great stories of them with there heart and athleticism. I ride barrel horses and the best crosses i have had have been out of thoroughbred mares. I prefer a racy athletic looking horse over a short and stocky one. Look at the horses that win on the track and in the arena, they dont look like your typical quarter horse. What an honor to get to breed to a living legend. Storm Cat has had sons breed to quarter horse mares that have produced stakes winners. Also, Coup De Kas was a thoroughbred and produced many champions. Don't look at it as we are gonna get bad manners and conformation, in case you havent noticed we already have that, but this is truly an honor. Cant wait to see what it does for quarter horse racing.

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Bradgm — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:10:51 GMT

Robert, Maybe you want to research a little bit?

First I'm not sure that anyone said what great conFORmation Hennessy had, but he sired a couple of good looking, nice colts Check Him Out much in demand stud and multiple G1 winner. His full brother Masters Call is a looker, just not as successful, kind of a hard luck colt, but gorgeous and sold for 485,000 as a yearling.

Second it's LUKAS. Anyone commenting on a TB publication should know that, plus the fact that he trained for Bill Young Sr. as his main trainer.

Third Storm Cat has never been bred to a Quarter Horse mare. If you read the article on BH you'd know that, Ric Waldman stated as much. But if you need it straight from the horses mouth (so to speak)I'll have our friend ask next time she sees their trainer Wayne, if we don't see him first. I just can't imagine that he'd have used a breeding share worth half a million $ on a QH, way too savvy and sharp for that.

Also Laura is Wayne's ex wife has been for about 6 years. She trained the QH's for him even after the divorce but last year Chris O'Dell was his trainer of QH. That person who said that is correct.

As for not much success. Check Him out was a multiple stakes winner, Hero's Call by Grand Slam TB was AQHA World Champion Distance Horse of the Year, another TB bred (can't remember which of the two it was) but he was a graded stakes winner as well at 870. So I'd say that's pretty decent with those.

I know Laura had some at the Los Al sale in 07, Wayne too. Nothing this year that I recall.

Don't think she trains any more, sells real estate here in the Orange County area.

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Wanda — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:46:13 GMT

Right on Robert! People relax it's not like there's going to be hundreds of little Appendix Storm Cat's running around. I was curious so I went to the site on Check Him Out. He's a good looking horse and made over 400 thou.

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Robert — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:38:43 GMT

To the writer who thinks Hennessy has excellent confirmation {my word}.........sorry! He is low in the back and overly high in the hip. Short neck and not much bone in those front legs. Everyone should relax. Storm Cat is perfect for the Quarter Horses. He is overly muscular and his get don't like going around 2 turns, unless they are out of Windsharp or some other stout mare. There is only so much Storm Cat out there and he is not breeding today. Only the dismount samples they have stored are being used. Storm Cat has already been bred to 1/4 horse mares years ago when D. Wayne Lucas was Overbrooks main trainer. He wife who still worked with 1/4 horses trained them. As far as I know, they did not do anything. The horse business is just that.......a business. If they can make money doing this, more power to them.

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Katsan — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:55:59 GMT

Right again Wanda,

There are so few foundation breds left it's nigh on impossible to find them. Hancock, even it's been diluted and people usually breed to that line when they want to get some bone size on a fine boned, smallish mare.

Do people even research before they react? Dash for Cash, the most prolific bloodline was (as one well informed poster said) out of a TB mare, by an Appendix who was by Rocket Bar TB, by Three Bars, also a THOROUGHBRED. The foundation breed just doesn't hold much appeal in looks, the 'Bulldog'

appearance isn't that pretty or useful as far as conformation.

If you can find a 'purebred' foundation QH out there, it's a real search. The mistake a lot of people make is seeing the QH behind the name thinking the horse is a pureblood QH, well like someone said, they can earn their ROM and get that label QH when they are almost all TB and in breeding terms are an Appendix.

Frozen stored semen, no harm to Storm Cat, introduce a little new blood in the breed that now tracks back to just a few lines, WHAT is wrong with that? Not like they'll be breeding thousands at that price. Pretty pricey when you consider the average and the fact that even in the heyday QH's at auction have NEVER sold for as much as a TB.

Anything to start up the overbreeding, slaughter etc hysteria. My bet is if somebody bred a Storm Cat, they wouldn't be discarding it if it didn't perform on the track. Rodeo horse, etc because I bet he'll get a looker out of that mare they bred him to.

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Julie L. — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:27:06 GMT

Katsan - In my younger days I barrelraced several of my Appaloosa horses and my best mare did not have any QH in her she was from the old Appaloosa lines that had been infused with Arabian blood but to say it is the QH inbreeding that makes these barrelracers hard to handle is not the case, these barrelracers are geared up upon knowing that they are about to run the barrels. My mare would start dancing, tossing her head and hopping in place. She knew what she was about to do it had nothing to do with inbreeding as she had none. Her colt that was the result of a breeding with a really nice QH was more calm and relaxed when I barrel raced him.

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Wanda — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:39:09 GMT

Right Katsan that's what I was trying to say. I get angry when people make blank statements, there's good and bad in every breed. I've used TB,QH and Arabs for ponys and they ALL were racehorses at some point. I saved a TB filly from the packing plant in Oct and gave her to my mom for a brood mare. Mom was all worried about her running around and going thru the fence. She was raised outside(I know the family)and was used to being in a herd. It took my mom 2 months before she realized that this filly was just as nice to be around as her QH mares.She will be bred to a cutting horse in April, interesting cross don't you think? She's a Willard Scott out of a Prospector's Pick mare and has a little black type.(Alberta bred)

hrseldy: You better go thru pedigrees of really nice QH, cause I hate to tell you they have LOTS of TB breeding. Oh well there goes the "breed" lol.

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Katsan — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:31:04 GMT

Wanda, you are so right.

Had a 2 year old QH filly was ponying her up for a race from the barn, someone slammed a car door many yards away from us, she freaked and reared up right over the top of me and the pony horse.

Another 2 year old QH colt a friend had, reared up in the saddling enclosure, knocked the roof off of it, ran over the trainer (6'5" 250) and ran over a couple people on the way thru the gap ONTO the track, knocked the rail down. Both were pure QH, way back when and no TB in either. My QH pony horse acted like he was insane whenever I stood behind the gate would wheel every time the bell rang. Sometimes the pony horses are worse acting that those they escort.

It's like bumper cars at the start of most 2 y.o. QH races, has been for the 50+ years I've been watching them.

Barrel racers have some pure QH (if there is such a thing in this day) some have Appendix horses, ever watch them in the alleyway at the WNFR, they almost ALL act up and the folks who help the ladies get them in have the most dangerous job besides the clowns.

Also, some trainers ride ex race horses (TB), remember Funny Cide, Wayne Lukas does, a few others as well. Temperment just depends on the horse, like us humans.

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Wanda — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:30:37 GMT

Good points by everyone. Nothing wrong with introducing new blood into a breed that started out with stallions that had TB blood to begin with. Three Bars was a reg TB I believe.

The comment about bad manners etc, have you ever been on post parade with a bunch of QH 2 or 3 yr olds going to the gate for a stake race? Talk about goofy!

If your breeding to race it would help to have horses that were over 14 hands and forearms longer than 2 inches. And don't get me started on how small the average QH's feet are in relation to their body weight. Before you jump all over me, yes I have raised TB's and my family raises QH and the younger sister manages a large private cutting horse breeding operation.

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PAM of Sunny Farm — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:25:23 GMT

YOU GO STORMCAT !!!!

Behind every good AQHA or APHA IS a THOROUGHBRED.

The owner has the right to handle the stallion anyway he pleases. The Blog is a great way to share an opinion, but the owners choices are his alone. Due to the age of this great stallion, A-I does make perfect sense for a AQHA-Cross.

When my new stallion arrived at my farm, I rushed my APHA (Paint ) Mare to him- You should SEE the improvemnets my stallion has made as far as correct conformation-ALL the foals have been improved over their dams.

I don't view the decision of STORMCATS owner as ''greed''-but as a choice to continue the bloodline of STORMCAT.

AQHA NEEDS a new infusion of a different bloodline AS does the APHA. I wish I could book to STORMCAT on ANY mare !

I look forward to seeing the foal from STORMCAT & his AQHA mare .I hope there is more than one !!!

BEST WISHES !

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hrseldy — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:17:00 GMT

Enough already! Where's my safe, dependable, sweet, lovable, work all day and do it again the next day foundation QH? Please, please let's not ruin this breed. Thoroughbreds KEEP OUT!

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QHFan — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:33:23 GMT

JAJ Actually Hennessy and Grand Slam were two that were sires of QH bred by Laura Pinelli and Wayne. It was Wayne who had the breeding shares. Masters Call I believe was the last of those and he and Zory Kuzyk sold that colt for 458,000 a few years ago. He still had a few running last year, not sure of the lineage on those or if he is running any QH this year, Chris O'Dell trained for him I believe.

Laura is in real estate now and I don't believe she has any horses in training, not sure if she is still in the breeding business.

She and Wayne have been divorced for years.

As far as I know, no Storm Cat QH out there yet.

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BIGHORSEFAN — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:28:04 GMT

fishfarm,

AQHA has allowed AI for a long time. Jockey Club isn't even considering it. How long does stored semen last? What is the ethics if the sire is deceased?

Storm Cat is 28(?) don't think he'll still be around in the 10-20 years this may take.

I think it's a great idea, widen both breeds in scope. QH is more inbred than you guys in the Warmblood field realize.

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rowner — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:58:01 GMT

Can't understand all you hateful people??? Its a business and they can do whatever they want with Storm Cat's stored semen. He's not mounting mares so its not hurting him any. I agree that QH's have been overbred but maybe some good can come from this. Look at both sides people before you react with all these negative reactions. He is an outcross so I don't see to much problem with it and its not like he'll be breeding hundreds of mares. Get over it people.

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JMEWILL — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:34:43 GMT

fISHfARM: You raise an interesting question about when the JC will begin allowing AI in TBs. I think it is probobly a long way off but you do point out that with DNA testing, the mistakes couldn't be made, although humans are sometimes unfortunately less then full of integrity, which still does expose the potential for dishonesty(IN HORSERACING< NOOOO)

however I do think that Storm Cat, crooked ass leg and all might be good for QH racing, as there is alot of mares bred to the same handful of QH stallions every year. I don't want to say anything negative about the AQHA breeding practices though because I am not sure about all the rules of it and I am not directly involved with QH racing, although I have been around some great ones, Kaweah Bar, Easy Date(I used to feed her doughnuts in the mornings)Migja, Mini Rock, and my current new best friend forever, Tres Passes. I met Hennesy and Check Him Out, Corona Cocktail, and another TB that was bred to QH mares with some sucess, Red. I think if the TB has precocity and speed, why not!

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fishfarm — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:21:22 GMT

I think Overbrook is making a big mistake selling Storm Cat's frozen semen right now.

Sometime in the future the Jockey Club has to open up for AI.

Look at the number of mares that are being bred to the top stallions-over 120 a season. Look at the wear and stress on the stallions and danger in the breeding shed. Have to take a break from the breeding shed due to back end problems.

We now have DNA testing so mistakes in breeding the wrong mare or more than one mare should be a no issue in using AI in the thoroughbreds.

Save it Overbrook. Someday it's going to be worth more than $20,000. a breeding.

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JMcM — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:39:27 GMT

Yaaaaay! I don't know why some people seem sour about this, QHs have always been heavily mixed with TBs, the short horses just didn't get a registry to call them a separate breed until 1940 when AQHA was founded. I'm from a NM ranch and have a racing and breeding background and study pedigrees back to the 15th century. Both breeds have many of the same horses in their backgrounds, especially as you go farther back in time. TBs didn't have a registry at one time but people kept good records of the bloodlines. Whether they were short horses or those who raced longer distances(it was once fashionable to run 4 mile heats)they were separate by how far they could carry their speed. Storm Cat will be a good cross for QHs

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Ofelia — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:22:43 GMT

How shameful! Haven't they made enough money on Storm Cat? I don't think quarter horses need any more thoroughbred infusions. The legacy of the great stallion should not be tarnished with the indignity of manually retrieving his semen for any money! I guess the industry has really hit rock bottom now.

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Katsan — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:12:24 GMT

Actually you're wrong about the QH breeding practices. We have a stallion, we have sent mares to outside studs and we as well as everyone we take our mares to want to know what they are breeding to.

Actually the breed does have a pretty limited gene pool. There are a few stallions that EVERYONE wants to breed to and a ton of them trace back to Dash for Cash and a couple others.

I wouldn't presume to talk about 'warmbloods' or whatever the heck you're referencing to, so unless you are a regular QH breeder, please return the favor.

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da3hoss — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:05:37 GMT

Good grief.