If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

Melquiades — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:34:22 GMT

Reply to Coldfacts.

Zenyatta's dam Vertigineux was also the dam of G1 winner Balance.

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

Rggc — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:30:42 GMT

I love reading this blogg. I am just a super fan of racing, I have followed in since I was ten. I always loved Native Dancer, Raise a Native and Mr. P even when the bloodlines were dominated by Bold Ruler and his sons. I just love the fact that their grandsons and great grandsons are carrying on their legacys. It is music to my ears! I smile everytime one of their get win a classic and I remember that folks would always say Raise a Natives and Mr.Ps will never go a distance. Thanks for making my day!! Rock on Street Cry, Candy Ride, Distorted Rumor, Smart Strike, etc.

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

Coldfacts — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:15:37 GMT

Justin, both Storm Cat and A.P. Indy have been bred to some of the best mares that have come off the track. Up to 2007 they had sired 489 dams that had produced 890 runner. Are you stating that 890 runners in not a large enough pool to produce a derby winner? An A.P. Indy broodmare did produce Bluegrass Cat so guess he isn’t hopeless. Seattle Slew has a chance to get on the board with Chocolate Candy & Theresgoesjojo but I doubt it. Storm Cat and A.P. Indy have not sired a derby winner as yet and I tend to eliminate horses sires by them because they are always bred to high earning mares. A high earning mare has never produce derby winner consequently I eliminated FF, Old Fashioned, Dunkirk, Giant Oak and Midshipman before his injury.

The great grandsons of Mr. Prospector are some of the best classic sires around. They have sired 5 of the last 13 derby winners. I am not surprises that Street Cry is doing so well as he and Curlin are probably the best of the bunch. I am concerned that his stud fee has rocketed from $40,000 to $100,000 and consequently he will be getting high broodmares that are not derby winning mares. His first book contained forty-one G1 winners or producers and none produced a significant runner. His four best off springs Street Sense, Zenyetta, Street Boss and Whobegotyou were produced from low profile mares and not the G1 winners or producers. The dominance of Mr. Prospector’s grandsons was on display in the 2003 derby when the first three past the post were all sired his grandsons i.e., Funny Cide, Empire maker and Peace Rule.

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

Justine — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:41:58 GMT

@ Coldfacts: Isn't it a bit too early to judge Storm Cat and A.P. Indy as broodmare sires? Sure, Storm Cat has been around for a while, but Seattle Slew and Mr. Prospector are from the 70s and have had way more opportunities than Storm Cat and A.P. Indy to produce the dam of a Triple Crown race winner. And A.P. Indy is just getting started as a broodmare sire, so I wouldn't toss him out yet.

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

sceptre — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:56:27 GMT

Hi Scot,

I think you're on target with your assessment of Street Cry-although I never saw it coming. Not sure that he'll ever approach a Mr. P, but he may be better than an A P Indy or Storm Cat-never would have predicted the latter two as well.

Seeking The Gold was my guy, and feel he'll exert a more lasting influence on the breed than any of the above. That Storm Cat-he was a surprise, but in retropect it appears that Crimson Saint is quite the positive influence (for speed), and that Storm Cat acquired many of her best (and, perhaps, relatively unique) alleles.

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

For Big Red — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:54:51 GMT

TO SCOT: Although I'm not sold on Desert Party as a probable Derby winner, Street Cry certainly seems well on his way to taking up where his grandsire left off.

Do you think Street Cry is successful at least in part because he IS an outcross for so many mares? It's the perennial debate about whether it's better to inbreed and concentrate characteristics, or to outcross for hybrid vigor.

How often do we see Fair Trial, Alycidon, Hyperion and Worden together in the 5th generation of pedigrees anymore?

Also, for people who like to in- or linebreed to top foundation mares, what's particularly interesting about Street Cry is that mares with Northern Dancer in their pedigrees would result in the foal being in- or linebred to Almahmoud and Natalma. Plus, there could be opportunities for in- or linebreeding to Cosmah.

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On a separate subject, what is your take on the fact that Friesan Fire has no reported works since the Louisiana Derby?

Scot's reply: Good insights on Street Cry. ... I'd like to see Friesan Fire in a mid-April race at Keeneland (the Toyota Blue Grass Stakes (gr. I) seems perfect) but I won't second-guess Larry Jones -- he knows the horse and also knows what's needed to get to the Derby. I will be anxious to see his next work, though -- scheduled for around April 12. (More Friesan Fire Derby prep info.)

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

Coldfacts — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:11:38 GMT

DESERT PARTY has no hope of winning the derby. Neither Storm Cat nor his 100 plus sons have sired a broodmare that has produced a winner of a TC race. The storm Cat broodmare line is hopeless for the derby. His broodmare line is not alone with dismal its derby record. The Seattle Slew, Mr.Pospector and A.P. Indy broodmare lines are just as bad.

re: If Desert Party Romps, Street Cry Is the New Mr. P

Bruce — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:05:53 GMT

I agree about Street Cry!

I think the key is he's devoid of Northern Dancer but carries the female family of ND in his sire's mother!

If I was his Stallion Manager his book would be alot of ND blooded mares as I'm sure it is!