Is This a Broodmare? -- Stakes Producer in Michigan

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Terry — Tue, 05 May 2009 17:18:38 GMT

If she's healthy, I think this is the kind of mare a small breeder should pounce on. With no Northern Dancer in her pedigree, I would go with Canadian Triple Crown winner Wando ($5.000) and bring her to Ontario to foal. Then the baby would be eligible for all the Ontario-bred races at Woodbine. Even the claiming purses there are pretty decent. You could make some good money from this mare's offspring. Now if I only had the money to do it...!

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Pedigree Shelly — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:46:43 GMT

I love this blog site I find it quite challenging , So when is the next subject coming up ???

Scot's reply: Thanks, Shelly! Will be posting tomorrow....

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maxwell — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:40:09 GMT

This is the kind of female family that all small breeders should be looking to buy into. This tail female family will last forever and you never know when or where the brilliance will show up.

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CRob87 — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:15:01 GMT

1st choice = Touch Gold

Since that cross has already produced a Grade 1 winner (Mass Media) and i'm just a fan of Touch Gold's breeding.

2nd choice = a son of Danzig like (Military)

Since the cross of Danzig and a Forty Niner mare has already produced the likes of Distorted Humor.

It could possibly work in reverse like the old well known crosses of Northern Dancer and Buckpasser did either way. And also it would give the hypothetical foal a seldom seen 4x3 to Majestic Light along with a little influence to Ribot, who sired Tom Rolfe.

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pedigree shelly — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:32:52 GMT

Thank You Scot !! I really Appriciate your comment!! Good luck on your Derby Day picks!!

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pedigree shelly — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:51:05 GMT

I did some research on Equineline and the hypothetical mating between Charedi's Gold and Unbridled Time would be interesting! The resulting foal would be inbred 5x3 to Charedi and 5x4 to Tom Rolfe with a DI of 3.33 and a CD of +0.88 What do you think?

Scot's reply: Good work -- you found an Unbridled-line stud that brings in some interesting pedigree influences. I like the double of Charedi and I believe Tom Rolfe is a super addition to this pedigree. I personally would avoid the cross of Mr. Prospector in the sire line and broodmare sire line that a match with Unbridled Time would create -- but we're seeing lots more of it and my colleage Alan Porter has been more willing recently to concede that Mr. P. is an exception to the "rule" not to inbreed to the sire line.

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pedigree shelly — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:51:04 GMT

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Paul — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:35:19 GMT

If a person was really serious about getting a winner out of this mare a breeding to Speightstown would give you some very interesting Line-breeding and In-breeding. should make for an awfully fast foal.

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Sue Chapman — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:03:02 GMT

John Nerud bred Charedi at Tartan Farm. I broke her as a two year old. Anything Mr. Nerud bred should NEVER be a cull. Follow the successful crosses he has done with the bloodline. You will get a horse who can run. Because the breeding market has crashed, you should be able to get to a GOOD stallion for very little money. Don't sell the mare!

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hardlyhatful — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:37:31 GMT

For someone looking to breed to race I don't see how one could go wrong. A bargain price and a good record, bred to anything under $5k with a little class and you just might make a litte off her.

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sceptre — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:25:01 GMT

Your choice, Take Me Out, seems excellent-he's a capable sire, is priced right for this mare, and probably offers the best cross for her regardless of stud fee. In addition to your reasoning, I love offering Forty Niner mares more Ribot (particularly Tom Rolfe inbreeding). Also, Lloydminister (Cure The Blues-Charedi) was a truly lovely young horse-he stood out the day I saw him in the walking ring. Although she didn't black-type, Charedi was a very gifted filly. Majestic Light, unfortunately, has been a dud as a broodmare sire. Not worth breeding any mare unless one believes there's a reasonable chance at producing a stakes horse. This mare appears a bit unlikely, but for me it would waver one way or the other based on this mare's looks. The potential cross with Take Me Out does, however, whet the appetite.

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Pedigree Shelly — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:41:27 GMT

Iwas looking through the Stallion Register and I think the stallion Unbridled Time would be a interesting match .He,s a Florida stallion that stands for only $3500!

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Pedigree Shelly — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:09:09 GMT

Ithink this mare deserves one more chance I'd try a stallion from the Unbridled line .I like the inbeeding to the mare Aspidistra Would be interesting??

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Julie L. — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:35:36 GMT

I think that she is worthy of another shot at breeding. As I reside in California my choice for a possible sire would be Ten Most Wanted. She is free of Northern Dancer blood and with her two crosses to Raise a Native we all know how well the two bloodlines work together. Ten Most Wanted also has Raise a Native on his dam's side through his broodmare sire Criminal Type a son of Alydar which gives a third dose of Raise a Native blood and a nice plus is that his dam's dam is a daughter of In Reality giving the resulting foal a second dose of that line. On the top he is a grandson of Deputy Minister who proving to be a maker of top sires through his sons and grandsons and with Ten Most Wanted having won several graded stakes among them the Travers and being classic-placed in the Belmont Stakes (ran second) and his fee at a nice price of $5,000 I think this would be a very good mating and could result in a very nice stakes horse.

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Karen in Indiana — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:05:37 GMT

I like her - she has a proven track record of producing runners, she has some solid bloodlines and would likely do well if bred to a sire who would pull her class up and she would be good for at least a couple more seasons. It is good to give the mares a break to build their system back up, but I would wonder why she's had 2 years off. I like the choice you've made for a sire. His progeny have done very well and, with that stud fee, sounds like a good investment. So would you be selling the foal as a yearling, training & then selling or racing yourself? With the economy the way it is and with 'hot' bloodlines selling well, but everything else not, would you be able to make a profit on this mating?

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Jenny C. — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:58:32 GMT

I think she would be an asset to a breed to race regional farm (maybe LA or Ark) with nice state bred incentives. Almost all her foals are winners with black type. Shes not that old and has been "rested" for some time, which is healthy for mares. A stallion with an established record of siring sound/durable runners for about 2-5K would suit her well.

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nyfalcon — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:52:09 GMT

what about meadow prayer he stands in Mich, for a paultry 1,500.00

wow a cool cross and cheep give him a try, the classic nearco/st.simon ,line cross.

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Elaine — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:51 GMT

This mare had nothing with Dehere or Summer Squall. Her SW is by the decent sire Pyramid Peak. Her non-winning daughter by Williamstown is dutifully contributing to the low level claiming ranks with three useless racehorses.

Her most recent foals are by the outstanding sires (sarcasm!) Great Allegiance and Fire Blitz. She is 16 years old in 2009.

Please tell me you aren't seriously considering breeding this mare?

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KEVIN — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:57:01 GMT

Yes, if she proves to be healthy I would give her the chance. Charide's Gold is a past proven producer of winner's.

Myself, I would breed to New York Based "Chief Seattle" $5,000. 2009 Stud Fee.

I would also foal in NYS and take advantage of the breeding program for NY Breds.

The unnamed foal would have a Dosage: 22 DI: 2.67 CD: 0.91

Roman Dosage Profile: 11-0-10-0-1

According to the Werk Nick Rating

there would be Quality Points: 20

with a Werk Quality Rating of Q 8

As I said, if Charide's Gold is healthy, and if there is a physical match with Chief Seattle, for a small initial investment you have a chance at a big horse.

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Pat — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:44:57 GMT

Send her down to Florida to D'wildcat. A sire who has checked all the boxes. They look like runners, sell well and win races at a good clip. Florida freshman sire a couple of years back, I think his first Florida crop hit the the track this year and he offers good value.

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Chris — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:19:40 GMT

Hi,

What about the Florida sire Mecke with this mare?

Chris

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rowner — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:03:38 GMT

I would give her one more shot doesn't sound like she's had that much of a chance.

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da3hoss — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:49:03 GMT

7 winners out of 8 raced from a family of great old bloodlines pretty close up? She's proved she can pass class, now would be the trick to find a great stallion at a modest price who could move her up to superior class...Candy Ride, an outcross, while he's still $12,500, why not? He's brilliant and classic, and she's classic with professional...looks like a winning outcross to me and he seems to improve his mares quite a bit...better hurry with the booking, though...;-)