Thoroughbred Pedigree Review -- Relaunch Connections

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never better — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:43:41 GMT

I purchased a barren relaunch mare 4 years ago. I have a skip away colt from her , atouch gold weaning, and she is in foal to Northlight> hoping for the best.

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Aussie Steve — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:43:07 GMT

Some in our horse syndicate use Nicks ratings when deciding on a stallion. GIven Honour And Glory would have a limited sample to australian lines it is hard to get a gauge on who might work against an H&G mare. AP Indy x Relaunch broodmare seemed to rate well and whilst Bernardini is unproven we thought he ticked the boxes for pedigree and performance. Unfortunately, so did Octagonal!! On his service fee; $70k USD v $38,500 AUD...might be as cheap as we get him down here if his first crop perform in the States.

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Aussie Bob — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:15:40 GMT

Bernardini is an interesting choice Aussie Steve, what is the thinking behind it? Certainly the Quiet American influence in Australia has been positive through Mentality. Is the main issue with Honour and Glory offspring their soundness? Bernardini appears to be a very correct type, so maybe you will do well.

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Aussie Steve — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:25:56 GMT

Hi,

I am in Australia and own a mare by Honour And Glory. We did not see the best of H&G down here, with his few crops having limited success. We are looking at sending the mare to Bernardini this season. Would be interested in anyone's thoughts on it as you have far more exposure to these names

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Kent D. Hersman — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:30:50 GMT

Stephen Got Even could be a sleeper.

He would likely be a good choice for the Honour and Glory line. He didn't get off to a super start, but he sure has had some nice runners, e.g., Stevie Wonderboy and I Want Revenge.

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Pedigree Shelly — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:47:15 GMT

Thanks Scot !! I'm very excited !! She's a nice looking filly ! She looks alot like her sire ! If you have any good breeding ideas let me know also :)

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Pedigree Shelly — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:23:17 GMT

Scot , Speaking of the Relaunch line. I just aquired my first Broodmare ! She's by Honour And Glory -Fact of Matter by Summer Squall . Her fourth dam is Miss Carmie dam of Chris Evert ! I'm keeping her at Breakaway Farm in Indiana, What do you think ? :)

Scot's reply: Congratulations! First broodmare -- that's exciting! Your new mare is an interesting cross -- In Reality/Northern Dancer over Northern Dancer/In Reality -- and like you said, from a great family. I think I've mentioned, I've got an Honour and Glory yearling filly and have high hopes for her. Best of luck and keep us apprised of your breeding plans.

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Nancyb — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:08:22 GMT

Thank you all for the info on horses that carry Man o' War blood. I am a fan from the 50's and remember crying when the newspaper announced his death( I was 14) I still follow racing and bloodlines today, but the original "Big Red" was special.

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Kent D. Hersman — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:06:32 GMT

Vikki,

The first Thoroughbred I had was by Battle Launch. He was a regional sire in Louisiana a few years back.

He was what inspired me to look for a Relaunch mare. I found Laun Shaw, and she was a jewel.

She produced a Hard Spun filly in Feb. She is now in foal to Midnight Lute. You can see some of the pictures at:

www.flyinghenterprises.com/Page_5

This line has allowed us to, "Realize the Anticipation"!

Wish you the very best.

Kent

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Suze — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:02:02 GMT

How about the Relaunch stallion, Captain Countdown, that stands in Texas? He gets a decent number of mares each year despite the downturn in the TX breeding industry. He was a multiple stakes winner that I think could have won stakes in other parts of the country had his connections ever decided to ship him outside of the Southwest. His dam, Bearly Cooking, although not from a fashionable family, was about as hard knocking and honest a stakes mare as there ever was - winning many races at LA Downs.

I think if given better mares, he would surely sire some good stakes winners. He actually was bred to a mare by World Appeal, grandson of In Reality, to double and triple up on that Man'o War blood.

Scot's reply: You're right -- Captain Countdown is one of those stallions who could really "hit" for breeders willing to take a chance on him. Terrific outcross bloodlines (no Northern Dancer, Bold Ruler, or Raise a Native) while also delivering several crosses of Spy Song and War Relic... really looks like a 1950s Thoroughbred pedigree.

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Pedigree Shelly — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:21:27 GMT

Closing Argument just sired his first stakes winner !She wasa foal of the daughter of Quiet American.Her name is Midst,Who won the My Dear Stakes at Woodbine ! It looks like Closing Argument has a good chance at being a top first crop two year old sire !!!

Scot's reply: FYI -- see Midst's horse profile page. Note that she was Closing Argument's first winner back in April ... first stakes winner in June. How about first graded winner in August?!?

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sceptre — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:09:41 GMT

I'll offer a bit:

Relaunch was an excellent sire, and is a very good influence-all this without having had the best opportunity. As I recall, he returned from a bowed tendon to win a nice stakes in California...

But, it seems you've all somewhat missed the boat here, when discussing Relaunch and keying on his sire, In Reality. One can never know for certain, but I'd guess that Relaunch owes much of his success to his dam, Foggy Note. Some of you should check out her produce record, as well as her female offsprings', etc. You'll find-Glitterman, Rubiano, Tapit, etc., not to mention Relaunch himself. Quite a list of respectable sires, wouldn't you say? By the way, In Reality's other top U.S. siring son, Valid Appeal, is fairly well connected (female-wise) as well. Notice that his full-sister is Champion, Desert Vixen. It's only annecdotal, but what does this say for In Reality (and who to key on when considering line-breeding patterns)?

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Vikki Burnham — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:25:55 GMT

Kent,

Which son was the sire; Bright Launch? Sorry to hear about the injuries. So frustrating to have good horses lose their chance because of them.

Thank you for the compliment about Louis Arthur. The site needs major updating, but the basic reasons why we are trying with this horse are clear.

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Laura R — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:21:49 GMT

Interesting comments about Relaunch. Relaunch is also known as a mud influence.

This is what I had to say about Closing Argument in my 2009 Guide to Freshmen sires at Iron Maidens Thoroughbreds (www.ironmaidensthoroughbreds.com):

“Both Successful Appeal and Mr. Greeley have produced winners over the turf and synthetic track, so there’s no reason to think Closing Argument won’t do the same. Successful Appeal also has a fantastic record as a sire of first out winners, which he could pass on to his son. Overall, Closing Argument’s offspring were well received at auction, selling for almost three times his stud fee and appeared to be good looking, athletic two year olds that threw down some wicked fractions at the OBS February Two Year Olds in Training sale over the Safetrack synthetic surface and worked comparably over dirt at the Fasig Tipton sale at Calder. Expect his babies to show speed from early summer on and most should enjoy longer distances.”

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Karen in Indiana — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:20:44 GMT

I'm a huge Man O'War fan, loved him since I was a kid and look for his influence in bloodlines. That's why I've followed Tiznow on and off the track & why I absolutely love Mr. Hot Stuff. He's going to decide he wants to win one day and then watch out!

I have looked for other male Man O'War lines continuing today. War Admiral had a grandson who stood in Japan from 1970-1991 named Hikaru Takai. But pedigree query only lists 3 offspring. There had to be more. It is interesting to think there was a male that closely related standing only that far back.

Vikki, you asked where the Relaunch-Slew stallions went? I'd say a good guess would be Japan. They really bought up a lot of the Slew stallions.

Scot's reply: Karen, The Jockey Club recognizes only four foals of Hikaru Takai, by far the best of which was the 1972 mare Begonia (JPN), whose first foal (Diana Tholon (JPN)) was a Japanese gr. I winner. I don't believe the male line continues -- the only male progeny listed was born in 1988 and doesn't have a produce record.

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Kent D. Hersman — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:56:25 GMT

Vicki,

The first 2 year old Thoroughbred I owned was in Louisiana. He was by a son of Relaunch.

Trained great! As you said, very professional. As is often the case we had major setbacks due to injury.

Wish you the best with Louis Arthur. I have looked at your site and he looks the part.

Kent

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Vikki Burnham — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:23:37 GMT

Thanks, Shelly! We're hopeful (isn't everyone in this business?)!

I was around when Relaunch was running and he definitely had speed but he could carry it. I'd love to see a Relaunch-line in the Derby Winner's Circle someday. I think we'll see it at some point.

I was told once that his trainer Eddie Gregson, was asked which stallion's offspring he preferred in his barn. His answer? Relaunch - because they were smart, talented, tough and would do anything you asked. I'm seeing these traits consistently in my stallion's babies, too, even at a young age. Working with smart, sane, business-minded babies is a real pleasure. Go Relaunch!

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Pedigree Shelly — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:27:43 GMT

When you look Relaunch's pedigree It's kinda hard to see any kind of stamina influence ,The same goes for Holy Bull ,Go figure ? It has to do with the mares that are sent to them ! From my Research the best bet for Relaunch line sires seems to be mares from the Seattle Slew line! I know this is off the subject a little but, I noticed that Relaunch and Holy Bull both have The Axe II on their dams side ! .Vikki I wish you success with your stallion !

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Susan W. — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:04:39 GMT

Don't forget to watch for the progeny of Closing Argument!

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Susan W. — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:53:35 GMT

I am a huge fan of Relaunch and In Reality horses and watch all the race results for their descendants. Thank goodness for In Reality --- his two sons Relaunch and Valid Appeal (especially Relaunch!) have, fortunately, kept the Fair Play-Man O' War sire line afloat. Tiznow, as well as being from the Fair Play sire line, is inbred to Northern Dancer, whose broodmare sire was Discovery, from the Fair Play-Display male tail line. You never know how or where the Fair Play stamina/speed combination (so evident in Man O' War) will turn up. Also --- Fair Play horses are usually better at 3 than at 2. --- Sorry to see that Pioneerof the Nile had to be retired. His sire, Empire Maker, is inbred to In Reality.

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Kent D. Hersman — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:55:10 GMT

Relaunch

I bought a Relaunch mare that was in foal, late in 2003.

May 2007, I was setting near the finish line on the First Saturday in May, watching her foal in the Derby.

You bet, I'm convinced that Relaunch was special. True, it seems that the progeny are best at distances less than a mile.

I am waiting to see a direct descendant of Relaunch, win the Derby. I don't believe this has happened yet, but with the kind of results Tiznow is showing up with, it could happen.

Kent

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Pedigree Shelly — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:40:47 GMT

Hello !! Is there anybody out there ?? :) !!!!!!!

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Vikki Burnham — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:07:48 GMT

Gee, Shelly, I sure do hope you're right, because I'm standing Louis Arthur, the only son of Relaunch out of a Seattle Slew mare left in the United States - unless someone can tell me what happened to Growth, Second Effort, and Thrust (Seriously...anyone know?). His first foals race this year and we'll see if he can give regional breeders a shot at a good horse.

I'll be curious about the speed factor from Relaunch, since I mistakenly thought our boy was getting it all from his mom, who was a 6-7 furlong whiz and seemed to pass her speed to her kids. I thought it was all Slew. Thanks for the great info in this blog!

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Pedigree Shelly — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:57:32 GMT

Wow doesnt anybody want to talk about Relaunch ? lol ! Anyways Ihave one more comment on this subject. Honour and Glory seemed to turn out to be a sprint/miler type sire .Im surprised that his son Put It Back has done so well ,though he seems to turn out the same kind of runners . I was doing some research and it seems to me that Relaunch seems to go well with Seattle Slew line mares ! Tiznow and Slew Gin Fizz seem to be good examples , What do you think ?

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Pedigree Shelly — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:47:09 GMT

Tiznow seems to be the savior of the In Reality line, Valid Appeal seems more of a sprint type sire, Although his son Succesful Appeal has had some luck with his offspring going a distance Closing Argument for example.I know that Cee's Tizzy doesnt sound like a professional name but, if it was not for him , the In Reality line would surely have no stamina !