Thoroughbred Racehorse Retirement

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re: Thoroughbred Racehorse Retirement

NorthStar326 — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:50:19 GMT

The owners and breeders need to have their greed and irresponsibility spayed and neutered!!!!

The industry churns out horses almost as irresponsibly as the QH industry. There should be fees off the top of every stallion breeding going to this suggested "registration" program. Problem with the registration idea is the thousands of foals not registered or tattooed that end up in the kill pens or starved and abused in some other inhumane situation. The industry needs also to crack down on its "workers" taking free horses (give aways by irresponsible owners, trainers and breeders), when we all know the vast majority of grooms, hotwalkers, shoers, etc, cannot afford to humanely care for these giveaway horses and they will NOT end up in a good place. I too am a fiscal conservative, who is also an owner and a breeder to racehorses and I care for each one I have bred or not bred. I'm not wealthy and am sickened by what I DO see the alleged leading trainers, owners and breeders doing in this industry. There are few genuine good guys in this business and it also starts with unreasonable governmental expectations of actually making a living off of these horses. The industry provides thousands of jobs. That is NOT a hobby. The government needs to get a grip on what constitutes a hobby and what constitutes economic support for thousands of citizens and guest workers.

As for Five-Cross Files question: Unfortunately, little thought is given to a racehorse's retirement career when in training, unless it is just too slow. Rarely does a horse retire sound because of the "claiming game" and the industry allowing the claiming trainers to literally break these horses down and drain the last ounce of performance out of them.

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The Five-Cross Files — Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:39:01 GMT

Can a Thoroughbred be trained simultaneously for a racing career and a post-retirement sport/pleasure career?

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re: Thoroughbred Racehorse Retirement

Stacy — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:04:31 GMT

We have an OTTB Ecton Park mare that we feel lucky to have picked up! She will have a wonderful forever home with us (although she is not going to live near us for now).

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ColetteMarie — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:49:10 GMT

Ceil

I don't agree that in order to appreciate something, anything, we have to spend a lot of money for it. I felt I couldn't afford a large 60 inch TV & bought a much smaller one instead. I appreciate that smaller TV just as much as I would the larger one, probably more so since I can enjoy it without feeling guilty about the amount of money I spent on a new TV. Of course, a horse is not a TV, but the same premise applies when it comes to the amount of money a person can & will spend. As I mentioned before, my income exceeds that of most Americans. Not to broadcast how much I make, it is a fairly known fact that nurses make a decent living. It is the norm, at least in the part of the country where I live, for a nurse's salary to average about $100,000 a year. However, most people have kids, mortgages, college tuitions, etc. The list of unavoidable expenses goes on & on. Even for those of us who do live within our means, there is hardly ever thousands of dollars sitting around looking to be spent. But, that does not mean that we can't take very good care of a horse on an ongoing basis. I know so many horse people, very, very good horse people, who do not make anywhere near the salary I do. They take excellent care of their horses & if needed pay a vet bill before paying for something for themselves. They don't do that to protect their initial investment of the cost of what they paid for their pet, be it a horse a dog a cat or anything else. They do it because they love the animal. I could give you endless examples of people caring for their animals, animals they paid little or nothing for. What about those dogs & cats people pay a $50 adoption fee for from an animal shelter vs. those bought for as much as $1500 from a specific breed breeder? You can't think that those pets coming from a shelter get less care than those costing a lot of money. I have never heard a person say that they are paying large vet bills for their pet because that pet cost them a lot of money to buy. Never!! Just yesterday, I brought my car in for service. There is a woman who works there who drives customers home & picks them up again went the work on their car is complete & they need a ride to come back for their car. Her husband works nights stocking shelves at a local supermarket. How much money do you think they earn?? She has a horse that was given to her 3 yrs. ago. She loves that horse as if it were one of her children. Due to an injury, he is not rideable. I have seen her hand walking this horse along a back road. She hand walks him every day. She told me yesterday that she, her husband & her kids are not going camping for vacation, this year, because of a new therapy they are doing for their horse. Whenever I bring my car for service, she drives me home. Her face lights right up when talking about her horse. Now, you take it as absolutely 100% true that this woman would not have this horse if she had to pay one or two thousand dollars for it. This horse once was a racehorse & only 8 yrs. old. He has all the love & attention & care he could ever need. Where would this horse be if not in the home he lives in? I think we all know the answer to that. I can think of so many examples of animals who receive all the care they need who initially cost nothing or very little to adopt. My own sister has a 6 year old dog who has developed a heart condition in the past few years. He was healthy when she got him as a puppy from the animal shelter for an adoption fee of $50. Now, his medications cost her about $300 a month. She didn't go to the shelter for a cheap dog. She went to the shelter to help a dog & to give a homeless animal a home. This woman with the horse, my sister & I are not exemptions to the rule. I believe we are more the norm than the heartless people who exploit rescued horses. So, do not assume that a horse must cost one or more thousand dollars to find a good home. That is so not true & is is also unfair to the many horses out there desperate for a home. My main frustration is finding ways to make more people aware that so many TB's retiring from the track even are in need of homes. I would say 9 out of 10 knowledgeable horse people do not even know about the problem of what happens to retiring OTTB's, unless they are, in some way, involved with racing. Even with those involved with racing, how often do we hear one of them say THEY had no idea what happens to these horses once their racing days are over. I will post again, a little later, with one idea I have to bring more exposure of these horses to horse people. But, since I have to run out for an appt., I'll post about it when I come back.

ColetteMarie

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Nancyb — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:07:26 GMT

Hi - I have never seen a comment on chuck wagon horses on here. They are a small number but what great lives they lead when they leave the regular racetrack. I personally know of several who are still running at the age of 18.

In between races - which is a fairly short season - they are generally well-loved family pets. I know of several families in the business whose children ride these horses in the off-season.

There is a certain amount of injury but I think not as bad as the racetrack - it seems sensational because 4 horses are involved at once in an accident.

This is a small percentage of the new career figures but they are treated like royalty.

The only thoroughbreds I have owned have never been on the track but were great working horses - pleasure, trail riding, cattle work and pets. They are so intelligent.

Thank you for the space

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ceil — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:51:37 GMT

I think the BloodHorse is doing a good job publicizing the issues relating to slaughter and retirement. The magazine publishes frequent articles and commentary on the problems. Plus the web site gives interested parties like us a chance to exchange ideas. One problem that was already mentioned related to state breeders associations. I think that is a major part of the problem of overproduction. The idea is a sound one - to improve the bloodlines and quality of the local horses - but it is sometimes terribly abused. The case of Ernie Paragallo in New York is one terrible example. Also, in California, Tranquility Farm had to rescue 60 horses that had been "given away" by a breeder named Ben Warren. The horses were so close to being shipped to Mexico before they were saved. This man still has 20 stallions and hundreds of mares! We are not talking about Lane's End or Darley here. There needs to be some kind of control by state breeders associations on indiscriminate breeders like these two. The fundamental problem in racehorse breeds is still oversupply of a certain level of horse. All any of us can do is either try to adopt a horse ourselves or contribute as much as we can to the retirement facilities. And keep the issue alive!

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easygoer — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:19:44 GMT

All the responses are so good! As an industry publication, I also feel as if the Blood Horse should at least let people know what organizations like alexbrownracing.com are doing. In the discussion section, charities such as Another Chance 4 Horses generate funds in order to acquire horses that are going to slaughter. Just last week, we realize enough money to save an off track thoroughbred gelding. We are currently working on a Quarter Horse and several thoroughbreds. I think that if the industry is not willing to help fiscally, they should at least promote those who deal with this issue.

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sceptre — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:22:45 GMT

I've been thinking about alternative methods of raising capital for the unwanted horses' project. Here's one idea that may be worth further analysis:

There are a few stakes races run in this country where the prestige, and later monetary reward in winning (and placing) is of far greater "value" than the purse. Events such as The Triple Crown and Breeders' Cup races fall into this category. Consider if we redirect 50% of their total purse monies as a mandated charitable contribution to the unwanted horse cause. In so doing, the total/original purse will still be "credited" to the respective winners, their owners, sires, dams, etc. as far as standings, catalogue pages, etc. are concerned-but instead of going into the owners' pockets, 50% will be donated. Remember also that these are widely publicized spectacles and such "contributions" would reflect positively on the racing industry...For similar reasons (initial rationale), but of far less degree (%), a portion of all stakes purses can be "redistributed" as well. I acknowledge that such a scheme may not be "fair" since it focuses on only one segment of the game. It does not, however, single out any defined (human) group, and those affected may arguably incur the least relative harm.

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Abbie Knowles — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:08:28 GMT

Thanks Grand Prix Show Jumper for such a sensitive and sensible blog! I can waffle on but will refrain from doing so!

You do a great job with your horses by the sound of things! Keep up the good work!

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie

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Grand Prix Show Jumper — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:47:00 GMT

First, Thanks for writing this. We need to solve this problem, and it shouldn't be impossible.

If you make your living off these horses, you are basically stealing from the horses if you are not willing to provide something for them if they need to be retired due to injury or put in some effort to find the sound ones a job in a safe home.

I'm not talking out my ear. My perspective is that I've retrained a number of race horses into Grand Prix show jumpers, and that I still own three that I've retired. At the end of their carreers they didn't owe me anything and now they eat grass and drink water. I also have a rescued abused horse I've been retraining.

Retiring horses is very cheap in the grand scheme of what's spent in the industry, and there are lots of places in the US where land is still quite cheap. I realize that people in all parts of the industry often don't want to think too hard about the horse that has to 'go away' (GRRRR! I hate that expression but that's what it comes down to) but if there were big retirement farms they wouldn't have to. Decisions would have to be made like who's too lame to be comfortable, or can't get along with others, or shouldn't realistically have a colic surgery, but that's a lot better than having such a large proportion of every years foal crop ultimately go to slaughter.

Also, as someone with a lot of expeience retraining these horses, it's amazing how the trainers/owners often don't want to put out any effort to get the horse a job. If I'm looking for a prospect to be a Grand Prix horse, a walk up and down the shed row gives me very little information. There should be some way for people to get to assess these horses either at the tracks or at training centers.

Frankly, I don't think it's optional. Sooner or later this 'issue' will catch up with the industry in one way or another. If nothing else, it's really bad 'Karma'.

Thanks again for the blog, sorry for the longish response.

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Karen in Indiana — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:30:32 GMT

Ceil, I used to raise dogs and ended up having to rescue the only dog I gave away. My experience, with my dogs and as a mother, is that people value something according to what they have invested in it. I'm working at being able to adopt an OTTB. Part of that work is being able to afford giving the kind of care of the horse that it's going to need. It's all a matter of priority and so what will it take for the welfare of the horse to reach a high enough priority for practical, sustainable action?

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Freetex — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:11:26 GMT

To PGW: I had no idea such foul practices were going on with broodmares. This is another twisted part of the industry. Are there certain broodmare farms that participate in this atrocity or is it a common practice?

There are a lot of great comments on this blog and I am grateful for that. However, more and more, it seems to me there should be mandated regulations for the entire industry.

How shady are these operations? What other horrors are the racing fan base not aware of?

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sweet terchi — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:03:03 GMT

I hope more people will find a worthy foundation and contribute the money to help. I have one in my local area, Horses of Tir Na Nog. Fantastic organization. They will take all abandoned horses. Last week the BLM found a beautiful grey 2yr old filly, who was left to die in the desert by some evil heartless individuals. Not only did they leave her in the desert when we are suffering through a heat wave with unbearably high humidity, ( we're talking San Diego here) and desert temps are through the roof, but they also cut off a huge chunk of her hide to remove her brand. I can well imagine her pain. When I had surgery once, someone put tape over a piece of my skin that had formed a scab. When I went to remove it, it had adhered so well that I actually removed the two top layers of skin, blood everywhere, and the PAIN was well beyond the 10 they usually use. I could hardly move with all the surface nerve endings in shock, jittering left and right. When I saw this pretty filly mutilated so horribly, well, let's just say that if I ever came across these evil people, I would have no problem seeing how they would like the same treatment.

We, as caring individuals, can make a difference. Even if it is in a small way, as it all adds up, it will make a huge difference.

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ceil — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:18:04 GMT

The Standardbred Retirement Foundation does a wonderful job taking care of and finding homes for retired trotters and pacers. On the list of donors in their newsletters are the names of many of the drivers and trainers, as well as a certain broadcaster for TVG who hosts "Drive Time". One thing STF does is to accentuate the positive, not wring their hands and dwell on the negative. They are very proactive. Another great charity is Saddlebred Rescue. They concentrate on Saddlebreds, Arabians, Hackneys and an occasional Standardbred. Most of their horses were sent to slaughter by the Amish (who also operate a lot of puppy mills). They put the word out to the Amish to contact them before the horse goes to auction and they'll try to take him. They are then retrained and placed, frequently with Saddlebred trainers as school horses or beginner horses. Standardbreds are also pretty popular as police horses due to their sturdiness and temperament. Trotters also can be shown in Road Horse classes at Saddlebred shows. I have a friend who has taken several off-track TB's from Canter. She only paid $300 for a 4-yr-old colt from Suffolk Downs, who was suffering from a fractured sesamoid, plus she had to pay to get him to Alabama. He's now serviceably sound for low-level dressage. My point is that there are horses out there to adopt at a reasonable price. But the adoption agencies want to make sure that these horses go to people who can afford to take proper care of them. Otherwise, they will wind up in the same shape all over again. Somehow Americans don't seem to value something they don't pay for.

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Abbie Knowles — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:25:48 GMT

I know they are well cared for. I watch them on Sky's Attheraces (ATR) and they look great. I worked for Susan Piggott (Lester's wife) and her two year old's looked great too but the fact remains several of them broke down before they even raced!

Horses are not mature at two but at four!!!!!! In my opinion anyway!

God Bless

Best wishes

Abbie

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sweet terchi — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:26:38 GMT

I agree with PGW about the nurse mare industry. Simply horrible, disgusting and IMO not necessary. We kept a small herd of goats and when a mare could, or would not nurse, we used goats' milk. The foals turned out just fine. In fact, I always thought they had a healthier immune system. More labor was involved in doing this of course but we never had a problem finding someone to collect the milk and hold the bottle.

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Theicytruth — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:23:26 GMT

All of these comments are good! I own two ex-racers and I would take in more if the PA General Assembly & Governor would pass the budget so I can get paid.....but that's 'nother issue. It's going to take a little bit from of each source of the financial entities to ensure the future of each thoroughbred. Now that we have slots in PA why doesn't a portion of that money go towards TB retirement care? Everybody else (except the taxpayers, my property tax on my farm didn't go down) certainly benefited from it. A percentage of the sale of a TB should go into a fund for its care in retirement. A percentage of winnings should go into the fund. A portion of the admission fee to tracks should go into the fund. A little bit from each entitiy that enjoys it's amusement from racing thoroughbreds, quarter horses, standardbreds, Arabians can contribute A LOT for the care of these wonderful athletes who, by the way, didn't volunteer for the job. But they've given everything they have to perform. ANOTHER thing I would like to see, is racetracks have horseshows AT THE TRACK featuring thoroughbreds, or quarterhorses, or standardbreds, or Arabians showing off what they are capable of and that they realy do make GREAT riding partners. Many people in my area have tbs because of Penn National, but they do get a bad rap. But they also get a lot of praise by people who understand them and are willing to work with their exuberance. My own have been dressaged trained. My younger one LOVES to perform before a crowd. He's a show off!! There are lots of tbs out there just like him. WE HAVE TO PROMOTE THEM!! IT TAKES ALL OF US!!

GREAT BLOG!!!!

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Rob — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:08:57 GMT

In addition to the fees proposed in the article I think a portion of every purse should be set aside for retirement. I hate to hear about horses who have won tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, or more, going to slaughter. These horses have literally earned their retirment. I think there should also be licenses for breeders - just like for owners and trainers only limiting the number of foals that can be bred. Breeders should be responsible for the horses they bring into this world. This problem has to be eliminated at the source. There are way too many mediocre horses being bred because everyone who has a mare thinks it should be a broodmare.

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sgillies — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:54:18 GMT

Many comments here have questioned why trainers, jockeys, auction houses, etc., shouldn't be assessed fees like I've advocated for breeders and owners (i.e.,registration and for race entries). Here's why: requiring fees as I've described makes it obvious that the investment is coming from owners. If you ask trainers to chip in $5 per entry, it introduces an additional layer of bureaucracy to collect the funds, and trainers will just pass along the additional cost in their weekly or monthly bill to the horse owner. Same for jockeys and sales companies -- their fees will rise by the equivalent of any mandatory fees. Let's just look at it honestly and realize that it comes down to the owners to pay for any retirement program like this. Trainers, jockeys, sales companies (etc., etc.) can help out the owners by lowering their rates, effectively sharing the burden, but there's no administrative workaround here. Quite simply, the buck stops with the owners, because they're the only group that can't turn around and charge someone else to make up for the newly imposed fees.

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Karen in Indiana — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:50:30 GMT

Abbie, I love the pacers & trotters, too. 2 is not too young for them because what they do doesn't put the stress on them that flat racing does. They do so well that there is a mandatory retirement age of 11 for them. They race more often, break down quite a bit less often and are cared for more personally because trainers don't have as many horses and owners are more often the breeders, trainers, and/or drivers. There are quite a few Standardbred farms around where I live and they look pretty well cared for.

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bossmare — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:34:33 GMT

I have been thinking about this since I first read this article. I agree that this problem is in the hands of ALL involved. As an owner, I would not be opposed to give $5 for every entry that runs. This small but important fee should also be imposed for each trainer and jockey that enters and/or has a mount in each race. Also, the track should pay this fee for every horse that runs. So, with these four entities, that make $20 for every running entry every day.

Also, there should be a fee for each stallion per mare covered per year. This gets donations from the stud farms.

Another thing that really bothers me is that there should be a donation box at every track exit and, possibly, at every other betting window. The signage could read "Did you have fun today? Did you win today?". I have been to MANY tracks all over the country and have NEVER seen any signage to promote awareness to the general public and/or to the bettors. They at least could be given an option. Most would probably drop a few bucks in a box if given the opportunity. Like at the clubs when they say "if you had a great time tonight, please show your support to the bartenders and servers...." maybe the race trcaks should show support and awareness by reminding or asking the general public to donate to horse retirement. they cant give if they aren't aware or given the opportunity.

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gatewatcher — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:18:10 GMT

If people want former racehorses, but cannot pay the fee to own one, there needs to be a way that they can take possession of these horses without alerting killer buyers--because killer buyers will jump in and take a horse that is advertised for a small fee or free. The public needs a way to learn about the availability of these animals, and they need to be given some basic instruction on horse behavior. I own a quarterhorse, but will soon be looking for a thoroughbred or standardbred to adopt. I am not a rider, and I get told about it all the time from friends who do ride. They don't understand that YOU DON'T HAVE TO RIDE TO GET ENJOYMENT FROM OWNING A HORSE! I love caring for my horse, and want people to know that it can be a wonderful experience whether they are just loyal companions or "pasture ornaments". Don't be afraid to take the plunge and rescue a racehorse. These horses are deserving of special people who are willing to make a few sacrifices to get a great reward in the form of love and loyalty in the end. Just be sure that you are able to commit to keeping them safe from killer buyers, which means that you will have to be responsible for their care for their lifetime. God created horses--man created unwanted horses.

Scot's reply: The Horse magazine runs an online listing service for free Thoroughbreds. (and one for Standardbreds as well). It truly is the responsibility of the owner to check references to ensure that he's turning over his horse to a good home.

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AMY ROONEY — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:17:12 GMT

THERE ARE SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH HOMES TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE HORSES THROWN AWAY. TB,QH, ARABS, STANDARDBREDS,APPS, TENNESEE WALKERS, FOR EVERY BREED THERE IS A RESCUE AND ALL OF THE GRADES OR "EXPERIMENTS" IN BETWEEN.

PEOPLE WHO BUY SOLELY FOR COLOR OR BREED FOR COLOR WILL SOON GET RID OF THOSE WHEN THE NEW FAD COMES ALONG, OR THE NEW HIT STALLION WHOSE BABIES EVERYBODY WANTS.

NOW CLONING, BETTER COME TO GRIPS NOW, THEY WILL SOON BE JOINING THE RANKS OF UNWANTED, AN ARTICLE IN THE BARREL RACING BUZZ, HAS A CUTTING TRAINER WHO CLONED THREE GREAT CUTTING HORSES, NONE OF THESE THREE ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO SHOW NOW.

BUT I'LL BET HE WILL BREED THEM.

THERE MUST BE A THREE PRONG ATTACK, FIRST, I KNOW OWNERS AND BREEDERS HATE IT, BUT I BELIEVE A STALLION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF FOALS HE PRODUCES. LOOK AT THE FOAL CROPS FOR 1954, NOT THAT MANY FOALED, BUT WHAT A CROP! MAYBE JUST MAYBE, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER CONTRIBUTOR TO BETTER QUALITY HORSES.

I THINK MOST COLTS SHOULD BE GELDED. I REALIZE IT DOES BRING UP THE PROBLEM OF GELDING A HORSE WHO MIGHT HAVE MADE A GREAT SIRE, BUT AGAINST THOSE WHO SHOULD NOT BE A SIRE. MAYBE HAVE AN INSPECTION, I BELEIVE THERE ARE SEVERAL BREEDS WHO INSPECT STALLIONS BEFORE EVEN LETTING THEM REGISTER AS THAT BREED, THEN GIVEN A BREEDING CERTIFICATE.

LAST, I DO THINK EVEN INTERMITTENT OWNERS NEED TO HELP WITH THE HORSE THEY CLAIM, OR PINHOOK FOR RESALE.

I WOULD ALSO BE GLAD TO GIVE MONEY FOR A HORSE FOR RETIREMENT.

WHY CANNOT THE BLOOD HORSE DEDICATE A SECTION OF EVERY MAGAZINE TO A RETIRED OR REHABILITATED RACE HORSE?

THE BREEDERS CUP, TVG AND HRTV CAN STEP UP BY PROFILING A RETIRED OR REHABILITATED RACEHORSE.

THE SOLUTIONS SOUND EASY, BUT ARE HARD, I KNOW.

BUT IN THE HORSE OF COURSE ( A NOW DEFUNCT MAGAZINE) THEY HAD AN ARTICLE ABOUT UNWANTED HORSES IN 1980 AFTER A FEW SLAUGHTER PLANTS CLOSED. THE HARD PART ABOUT PRO SLAUGHTER IS, IT DOES NOT FIX THE UNWANTED PROBLEM. IF YOU OPENED 10 SLAUGHTER HOUSES, YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH HORSES TO FILL THEM.

SLAUGHER IS A BAND AID, NOT A SOLUTION TO THE UNWANTED HORSE POPULATION.