Is This a Broodmare? -- Stakes-Winning Stroll Filly Runs for a Tag

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MAYFLOWER STABLE — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:51:47 GMT

I am interested to breed to either EXCHANGE RATE or TWO STEP SALSA

what is your take on either Stallion

Scot's reply: I think you must like Seeking the Gold! Both of these stallions fit their market well. Are you considering them for different mares? The price and location for each stallion make it unusual to have them on a "short list" for the same mare.

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Redbean — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:39:50 GMT

Kenneth, regarding Poolside Miss, I would try her with any successful stallion with a line of Lassie Dear, maybe Mingun. There's a lot out there that have her in thier pedigree. I'm no expert on pedigrees (I've only been studying them about 2 years) but I strongly believe in inbreeding to successful females. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than I will contribute an opinion.

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sgillies — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:59:44 GMT

A nice update: Stroll Back at Claiborne.

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Horseguy — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:17:59 GMT

Kari,

Your mare was bought for $19,000 as weanling at an Iowa sale. She started 23 times and made a little over, $58,000, 2 wins, 4 2nds, 6 3rds. Her momma was unraced and a $28,000 Keeneland November weanling. She is a foal of 96 and a half sister to Kiss the Devil, a grade 3 winner of over $380,000 and I am sure she is being bred to good stallions. Your mare's pedigree is worth looking into more closely. If you were going to breed to race, at first look, I think she is worthy. It is far better then most out there. You can get a fully updated pedigree at Equineline.com, the exact spelling is K. O. Phyllis and her dams name is all one word.

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Kari — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:19:11 GMT

Thanks everyone for the input. I have not decided on whether to breed her and I know this world does not need any more unwanted horses as she is a rescue herself. But since she is the love of my life, I wanted to know what you very knowledgeable people thought. BTW, her dam's name is Come On Phyllis.

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GRob — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:59:25 GMT

Kenneth, glad to hear the Territory 2 yr. old filly is doing well. Feel free to contact me through email. I am very interested in hearing more about her. Hopefully my email will be published. The former owner of Territory (after Claiborne) said the weanling I have is the nicest foal he has seen her produce. She seems like the complete package right now. I know a lot can change, but I am keeping my fingers crossed. I want to try and sell both of my weanlings as a package deal. I am skipping the Keeneland sale in hopes of eliminating extra costs and stress. I have a few private parties interested so far. No matter what, I just want to do right by the horses. If I could afford it, I would take a chance and race them myself. But that reward will have to come on down the road. I do plan on keeping both mares. I took a leap of faith breeding them both to War Front. I say that only from the financial aspect of it. He is all class. War Front's first crop will hit the track next year. We are hoping and expecting big things from him. He should have a great chance. Being a son of Danzig sure isn't going to hurt him. His foals and yearlings look outstanding thus far. Thanks for the reply. Best of luck to you.

If anyone wants to contact me privately, my email is:

groberts@claibornefarm.com

Hopefully this information has been posted.

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AEK — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:52:47 GMT

A broodmare? Who is your buyer for the resulting foal going to be. Do a marketing study of your prospective buyer, find out what you need to clear on the prospective foal,.-do the math. What does a buyer willing to pay for offspring that will be commercially viable want to pay. Hello....this filly should not be considered if your goal is to produce salable horses.

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Carlos in Cali — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:48:32 GMT

Kari:

For starters,I'd try Mayakovsky($3,000 live foal,I'm sure u can bargain with them too) in your state @ Mill Creek Farm--Stillwater,NY.

Slew' over Two Punch has nicked pretty good so far,turf or dirt.Plus he throws beautiful foals.

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Horseguy — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:15:19 GMT

Kari, Blogs are not the place to go for expert advise. Especially for breeding horses. Anybody can sound like an expert on blogs. No disrespect to those bloggers who are professionals in the industry or those who do not make their make living breeding horses but have many years under them as a student of the industry and a sound understanding of the process. The first and most important question is, what do you plan to do with her foal? We bred and raise Thoroughbreds for a living and we also re-school ex-racers for the show ring. So, if your mare shows a lot of talent over the jumps I would continue with her in that direction. If she has won jumper shows at a mid to high level and you want a foal to follow her in the ring fair enough. But remember you are looking at 3-4 years before you will be able to work with the resulting foal. Not to mention many $$$$ and time and work even if you have your own farm. What the world does NOT need is another horse just because one can. This mare would have to be very special to be worth breeding out of. For race or show. There are plenty of potential show, performance, eventer, ect, Thoroughbred prospects out there that can be had for free and are in desperate need of a home. I bought a very good moving 5 year old ex-racer out of a field for $500 just by throwing some stones at him in the field and watching him move. I gave him to my wife who taught him to jump. He has been champion and reserve champion at a number of good shows. But his real calling is fox hunting. We turned down $50,000 for him! Crazy I know but he is my wife's horse. She has been hunting since she was a kid and he is the best horse she has ever had. I suppose that is why we are always broke. It's just too hard to sell the good ones.

I tried to look up her pedigree in my American Produce Records but nothing comes up using the name KO Phyllis. The spelling has to be exact unless you know her dams exact name. My gut tells me she is not worth breeding. She raced at Prairie Downs, the fact that she is out of a Cox's Ridge mares tells me she is out of an old mare. If anything special happened in the family you would have gotten a call from a bloodstock agent by now. Hope this helps.

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Citation — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:34:23 GMT

Storm Cats can't get a mile and a quarter? Have you noticed that Gio Ponti is by Tale of the Cat? That Pure Clan, by Pure Prize, has won a Grade One at 1 1/4? That Lion Heart, by Tale of the Cat, and Bluegrass Cat, by Storm Cat, were second in the Kentucky Derby? What about the before mentioned Giant's Causeway, Tabasco Cat, and Cat Thief? Sorry if I sounded rude, but Storm Cat is my favorite sire and I can't stand it when someone insults him unfairly.

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Kari — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:08:36 GMT

My mare is 8 now. She has not had any foals as I am currently training has as a show horse, so she has a wonderful disposition. She raced 2 years, mainly at Prairie Downs (her racing name was KO Phyllis). We live in New York, but would consider shipping her close by. I would say my range of prices would be in the $1,000 - $5,000 area.

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Kenneth — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:44:23 GMT

Hi all,

Very interesting discussion.

I currently train the Flatter/territory 2yo. she is in Trinidad and doing very well. Fingers crossed you'll hear more of her towards the end of the year.

Greg, hold omto that mare!!

On another note, I picked up a 4yo filly Poolside Miss at the Keeneland Jan sale by Came home out of Bering cruise by Danzig.

Poolside Miss 3rd dam is Lassie Dear, any suggestions on which sire line she should be sent to next year??

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Archer — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:03:36 GMT

Coincidentally yesterday Byron Rogers, managing partner of Pedigree Consultants, posted the following to an online pedigree theory site: "there are a surprising number of stakes winning fillies running in the lower ranks now ..."

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Scottie G — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:44:08 GMT

Kari, are you looking for a New York based sire???

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Carlos in Cali — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:17:31 GMT

Kari:

If I may,I'd like to give my 2-cents input regarding your question. :}

But first,can you tell us how old she is,how many foes she's had(coupled with their success on the track & who were the sires),and also what range of covering Sires' fee are you looking at? The state where you're breeding her will be a big help also..

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Michael Power — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:43:52 GMT

BTW, an "N" race is not necessarily the same as an "R", or restricted race. Officially, she's an "NR" race winner, which will not appear as black-type anywhere other than in Louisiana, New York Breeders, and several other small sales companies' catalogs.

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Michael Power — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:40:08 GMT

Stakes placed is a far cry from stakes winning, Scot, especially in today's market. Your original premise--that this filly represented great value at $15,000--I think is an exaggerated claim. Even a cursory look at the January Keeneland sale catalog prices (which is the only true measure of value) would provide you with many better examples of a 'good buy' than this filly.

IMO, she's a $5,000 broodmare prospect at best.

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Kari — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:07:23 GMT

Sorry to go off the subject, but I have a KO Punch mare out of a Cox's Ridge mare. I was thinking of breeding her....or not. What do you all think? You seem to have some real experts on this site and I would love their input. Thanks.

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Kari — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:05:07 GMT

Sorry to go off the subject, but I have a KO Punch mare out of a Cox's Ridge mare. I'm thinking of breeding her...or not. What do you all think. You seem to have some real experts on this site and I would love their input. Thanks.

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Michael Power — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:43:27 GMT

The Stroll filly won an (N), or non-qualifying, stakes so she won't receive black type for it in most American catalogs.

Scot's reply: True -- but she did earn black type for her place effort in the Goldfinch Stakes. Officially she's a black type-placed restricted stakes winner.

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Kate M — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:18:34 GMT

What do you know about the sire(deceased) Compliance?

Scot's reply: He was a full brother to Ashford's El Gran Senor and group I winner Try My Best. Sire of grade I winners Master McGrath and Fourstars Allstar, and of fan favorite Allstardave. From the Best in Show line.

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Carlos in Cali — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:35:01 GMT

Seems like the filly has some sort of flaws,but with that pedigree,she should be a useful broodmare at the least.I'd suggest a Roberto/Sadler's Well nick' cross when her racing days are over to enhance her already fabulous Turf-breeding... They probably received a "private offer" for her purchase that was too good to turn-down at this point,hence her scratch,..or the vets' deemed her "unfit" to race,for some reason(s).The class drop is an indication she's in rapid declining mode,too bad.Somethings obviously not right with her.Hopefully she goes to people who will do her justice,long term wise.

Robert: what are you talking about?...ever heard of Giant's Causeway,Cat Thief or Tabasco Cat(just to name a few)?...BTW: a mare is a 5yo/older female horse,she's a filly(4yo/under).

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Stacy — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:01:11 GMT

I would believe that with the state of the market if she did go through the Nov sales she would NOT fetch more than what she's running for.

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LanceS — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:24:11 GMT

In case you missed it, Stroll picked up another stakes winner yesterday, when Smuggler's Hold won the Manitoba Derby. Given the small number and relatively low quality of his first book, his results are absolutely outstanding. Like his daddy, they seem to run on anything - dirt, synthetics, and turf. Tapit got another new stakes winner this weekend, too. Now just have to see if Purge can finally get going! With Corinthian, Sightseeing, and Pyro still to come (and don't forget Oratory) Pulpit could really make a mark.

Oh, yeah, Claiborne has finally added Stroll back to their website. Hopefully he generates a lot more interest this time around!

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Pedigree Shelly — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:42:22 GMT

Sorry to go off the subject "again" ! I took my family to meet it's newest member ! She ( Wasted Words ) is a real sweetheart ! Very calm and easy going ! She's kinda small, I dont think she's over 15 hands ! She must take after the Northern Dancer side of her pedigree ! Since I have no kids , I call her my " Baby Girl " !! Wish me luck, if you have any breeding suggestions let me know : )