Where Did They All Go?

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Where Did They All Go? - The Five-Cross Files

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towera — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:32:28 GMT

Twining

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Ricky H — Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:58:12 GMT

The reverse of the coin is:-

Nearco, Nasrullah, Tulyar, Ribot, Sea Bird, Vaigly Noble, Sharpen Up etc. etc. etc.... made the reverse journey. Thanks to the mighty dollar.

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Ben Brush — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:26:21 GMT

Why are sires sent to other countries?

1. Money.

2. To preserve the sire line.

3. lack of interest in a sire.

Gallant Man. A great sire line lost.

Domino struggling to survive.

These once great sire lines have a better chance of survival if they are breed in various countries rather than just one.

In addition, the introduction of new mares and different bloodlines.

Couple of Mares at Keeneland Day 3

The Five-Cross Files — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:46:17 GMT

As we settle in to the marathon Keeneland breeding stock sale, I will occasionally comment on hips that are of special interest to me. Here are a couple of Book Two mares that I'd love to add to my little herd. Who are you watching during the big sale

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sgillies — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:26:39 GMT

False I.D. is now being reported as a gelding. Looks like I ought to cross him off my list!

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Julie L. — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:22:28 GMT

We just lost another one, Roar who stood in California has been purchased to stand in another country. Good luck Roar.

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Angel L. — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:17:52 GMT

The following stallions were exported from the US, but are or will be making a great contribution to the bloodlines in Puerto Rico:

Bargello

Billions

Casanova Star

Frisk Me Now

Just Typical

Ordway

Slewlessnseattle

Sudden Thunder

Tamhid

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Huh — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:13:33 GMT

Some Sires Who Were Exported Who Could Have Made an Impact

SILVER CHARM-Japan

CHARISMATIC-Japan

JUDGE T C-South Africa

VICTORY GALLOP-Turkey

American Stars Who Never Stood Stud in America Who Could of Had an Impact

MIESQUE'S APPROVAL-South Africa

WAR EMBLEM-Japan

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Gin — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:19:36 GMT

Isn't it almost better that these stallions ARE being bred in other countries, instead of being used as sporthorse or warmblood producers in someone's backyard here? No offense to sporthorse or warmblood breeders is intended, please keep in mind that we are talking about preservation of the Thoroughbred, in the purpose of racing. As for Request For Parole, knowing him personally, I wish him many nice books of mares at stud. His picture in the register does him no justice.

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Marc W — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:18:11 GMT

Ferdinand --for those who don't ended up going to a meat factory for dog food.

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Julie L. — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:13:32 GMT

How true Marc W and he was one who gave us many a thrilling race when he ran against Alysheba, I was there at Hollywood Park for the 1987 Breeder's Cup and the excitement I felt when the starting gate for the Classic was placed right in front of me as I stood at the rail and drew in my breath as I saw Ferdinand with Bill Shoemaker up standing there and then suddenly right before me was Alysheba with Chris McCarron in the saddle, what an exciting race, seeing Alysheba on the turn for the homestretch putting in that great run of his with his saddlecloth flying and Ferdinand giving it his all to hang in and barely beat my beloved Alysheba by a nose. People need to remember what every racehorse gives us...memories of great races and great hearts.

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Marc W — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:28:12 GMT

You all know what happened to Ferdinand don't you? Sad!

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Swale Fan — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:34:53 GMT

I'll second Manila...

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Julie L. — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:42:06 GMT

I think that it is a shame that we are letting our stallions go to other countries before they have even had the chance to prove themselves, look at Menifee he was shipped to Korea of all places and now his offspring here have consistently placed him on the top sires lists. It's a shame too that when a stallion who had been a great racehorse does not duplicate himself he is then sold off to another country, look at Alysheba he was considered the "people's horse" and did so much for racing here but did not do as well as everyone thought he would at stud and was sold to some Prince in Saudi Arabia. If he disappointed people at stud then they should have at least let him have his dignity and could have been given to the Kentucky Horse Park where those people who had admired this son of Alydar on the track could have visited him and shown their appreciation for what he had accomplished. Why do we allow this to happen. The racing fans must at least find a way to show their objections to how these horses are treated. Blogging is fine but it needs to be something that is more vocal and to the point. If anyone has an idea or knows of anything that now exists please let me know.

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Marc W — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:16:00 GMT

I too liked Judge TC -he was sending tough hard knockers if not special horses-one must put in to perspective the mares he was seeing.

On discussions on the Blood Horse home page months ago I lamented on the fact Menifee was sold and shipped abroad. He was off to a reasonable start. Again as above it wasn't like he was seeing Blue Hens. With a better timed ride he might have been a Derby winner.

My question would be--what are they paying for these studs? It maybe was a fluke that Our Emblem threw a couple good ones for $3500 stud fee then nothing for $35,000-he was sold for $350,000 then bought again for mucho dineros after War and Private Emblems ran in the Derby.

Did they get top dollars for the two above?

Since Victory Gallop was mentioned another question but off topic-Cryptoclearance --how does a stud start so very strongly then fall of the map-He and Slew O' Gold, what happens? They must have seen great mares after such good starts-but they became mediocre to poor studs after their early great seasons. How does that happen?

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pineridge — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:12:28 GMT

His name is Dazzling Judge, he is out of an Allen's Prospect mare.

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Jed Dog — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:01:07 GMT

Nobody mentioned Victory Gallop going to Turkey. I will miss following his offspring. Very sound and tough horse. Seems we are lacking in that type here in the US. We need to hang onto guys like that. Go Anak Nakal!

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Pineridge — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:21:05 GMT

I have an unraced Judge TC son that I will stand at stud. We are looking to breed warmblood mares but he is availble...

Scot's reply: Hmmm... you're hitting me in a weak spot. Care to share your stallion's name/pedigree?

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Laura Ross — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:29:27 GMT

Marc,

I don't know if Argentina has better better quality mares, but I suspect the out-cross factor is producing a superior horse. Our stallions are a total out-cross for their mares and vice versa.

I expect Seattle Fitz(arg) and Candy Ride (arg) to become fantastic sires here based on the compatibility of the bloodlines. I think it's a good thing for us to export sires who normally wouldn't be well supported. On the other hand, we import new blood from other countries as well.

The importing/exporting can only help diversify the overwhelming Northern Dancer/Mr. Prospector inbreeding.

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Rggc — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:33:31 GMT

Does anyone know if Alysheba will be sent back here if he is retired from the breeding shed. I just viewed the video on the Blood Horse video site and it brought back so many memories of how great he was. I hope he can return here.

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Sam — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:21:50 GMT

One of the few Storm Cats I hated to see leave: Exploit. His dam's produced more than her share of nice, breed to race sires. He'd've been better off in FL or NY than KY.

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smarie — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:50:19 GMT

Yes Linny, you are right. So many view horses only as investements. No wonder they talk about "culling," the way they do. These are living, breathing, beautiful animals to most of us, but to some they are just dollar signs.

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berttheclock — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:56:53 GMT

Ah, yes, the mares of South America - One of them, Luna del Miel, by Con Brio (Ribot) was bred to General (Fr), by Brigadier Gerard (FR)- Produced Lord at War.

Kudos to the Perkins family for keeping Lord at War in the US, and now his progeny. Is this what it takes, owner breeders keeping their runners and breeding them and not auctioning them off?

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Mighty Mouse — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:56:49 GMT

Red Ransom...