But Aren't They All Supposed to Race?

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Huh — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:16:56 GMT

Some Sires Who Were Exported Who Could Have Made an Impact

SILVER CHARM-Japan

CHARISMATIC-Japan

JUDGE T C-South Africa

VICTORY GALLOP-Turkey

American Stars Who Never Stood Stud in America Who Could of Had an Impact

MIESQUE'S APPROVAL-South Africa

WAR EMBLEM-Japan

Top 6 Breed-to-Race Sires in 2008

The Five-Cross Files — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:18:02 GMT

Six stallions made the cut and proved themselves the best value for breeders looking to keep and race their foals.

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MidnightHill — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:58:20 GMT

I was at Winstar a few weeks ago and they were pretty positive that Tiznows fee was going to jump.

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Kyri — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:34:35 GMT

Maybe Street Cry would be an example of a "commercial" sire? He's gotten some great horses like Zenyatta and Street Sense, which makes him a household name, but his win/starter ratio is actually pretty average. Dynaformer is another one who seems to sire a large number of underachievers to go along with his top horses. On the other hand, Northern Afleet and Concerto, for example, have had only one big-name horse each, but they both have very high win/starter ratios. I would think of them as breed-to-race sires.

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Michael Nikolic — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:15:53 GMT

I am new to the breeding world and will probably embarass myself with this question but as it relates to AEI and CI, could there not be an index based on class?

Meaning, if a horse places in a graded stake would he not skew the AEI vs another that runs consistently well in claiming company? Is there such a mechanism to index the earnings to longevity? Maybe the AEI accounts for that.

Scot's reply: Any time you see "average," you know that one super-horse can skew the figure upwards. (That's why I report median as well as mean averages whenever possible!) That said, there are other indicators of class that should factor into bloodstock evaluation -- percentage stakes horses, average winning distance, average earnings per start, and so on.

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LittleGuyBreeder — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:18:35 GMT

"So I'll add that these stallions should produce at least 5% stakes winners, but I won't include a threshold for graded winners."

Ummm...from what I read somewhere last year, 6% stakes winners has become the "New" 10% of days of yore. A breed-to-race stallion getting 5% would be pretty impressive in this new age of mediocre standards we now have thanks to ridiculously large books for stallions skewing statistics and lowering our standards of acceptable stallion performance.

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kaydee — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:16:44 GMT

I'm hoping quite a few of the stallions at Buck Pond make this list...talk about good values!

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Jenny — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:17:58 GMT

The mare lines are equally importiant to the sire lines. You don't get a good horse without a good mom, and you don't get a horse without a good dad. because people breed for the sales ring now instead of breeding to race, the mare line is becoming even more importiant.

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davisondad — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:53:37 GMT

How high do you think Tiznow's fee will go now that his offspring are starting to make splashes in the Big Races??? He is a steal at 30K!

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Frank — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:19:12 GMT

Slew City Slew should be on the list, however age is a factor.

Scot's reply: Thanks for the feedback -- but please save your picks for tomorrow's post!

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fb0252 — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:02:40 GMT

"one knock against breed to race sires is that they rarely come up with a big horse." Huh?

Scot's reply: While these stallions consistently turn out above-average runners, they usually don't have a long list of front-page headline type offspring. If they did, their commercial appeal would rise and fees would be raised accordingly. (Think Dynaformer, whose 2008 fee is 3,000% of his fee from 1990-1994 -- largely due to a bunch of impressive stakes winners like Perfect Drift, Riskaverse, Film Maker, Purim, and Barbaro.)