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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://cs.bloodhorse.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Thoroughbred Bloggers Alliance : Cangamble</title><link>http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/tags/Cangamble/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Cangamble</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2007 SP2 (Build: 20611.960)</generator><item><title>Around the Horn With the TBA</title><link>http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/2008/12/10/Around-the-Horn.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:44:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">b1464f20-99eb-45e5-b651-41da03ecff36:23073</guid><dc:creator>cdawahare</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=23073</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/2008/12/10/Around-the-Horn.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;By Frank Vespe, &lt;a href="http://thatsamorestable.net/blog"&gt;That's
Amore Stable&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;It's a busy week among the bloggers of the &lt;a href="http://thoroughbredbloggersalliance.blogspot.com/"&gt;Thoroughbred Bloggers
Alliance&lt;/a&gt;, what with important stories developing both nationally and
internationally.&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;Since the TBA includes nearly four dozen bloggers keeping an
eye on the racing scene.&amp;nbsp; Sometimes
that's a jaundiced eye, or a skewed one, but an eye nevertheless.&amp;nbsp; In any case, we've got plenty of folks with
plenty of opinions about plenty of issues.&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;If you're looking to get caught up on some international
racing and issues, check out &lt;a href="http://stosarabu.blogspot.com/"&gt;Striding
Thoroughbreds in Japan&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; From the Philippines
comes &lt;a href="http://gogirlracing.jennyo.net/"&gt;Go Girl Racing&lt;/a&gt;, and if
you're like me, you probably said something like, "I didn't know there was
racing there," except, of course, now you do.&amp;nbsp;
Jen Morrison's &lt;a href="http://jen-thoroughbreds.blogspot.com/"&gt;Jen's
Thoroughblog&lt;/a&gt; ably represents our neighbors to the north, as does &lt;a href="http://cangamble.blogspot.com/"&gt;CanGamble&lt;/a&gt;, the "Can" being short for,
you guessed it, Canadian.&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;Several bloggers are currently following the Race Track
Industry Program symposium in Arizona.&amp;nbsp; Patrick, of &lt;a href="http://handride.blogspot.com/"&gt;Handride&lt;/a&gt; "fame," is participating on a
panel about blogging.&amp;nbsp; Dana, who purports
to be &lt;a href="http://www.greenbutgame.org/"&gt;Green but Game&lt;/a&gt;, has her own
thoughts, plus advice on how to follow the symposium yourself.&amp;nbsp; Alan at &lt;a href="http://leftatthegate.blogspot.com/"&gt;Left at the Gate&lt;/a&gt; has also been
keeping an eye on the proceedings, as has &lt;a href="http://pullthepocket.blogspot.com/"&gt;Pull the Pocket&lt;/a&gt;, which also
covers the sulky side of things.&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;A few of our bloggers are also owners, and a couple of them
have weighed in on the vagaries of horse ownership this week.&amp;nbsp; Visit &lt;a href="http://blackwatchholdings.blogspot.com/2008/12/heres-what-i-dont-get.html"&gt;Gathering
the Wind&lt;/a&gt; to see Winston (Not really)'s thoughts on how accountants spoil
all our fun, while Ted at &lt;a href="http://grevelisracing.blogspot.com/2008/12/its-ownership-day.html"&gt;Owning
Racehorses&lt;/a&gt; suggests that perhaps accountants aren't so bad, after all, or
at least not bad enough to spoil the fun of racing.&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p&gt;Of course, this is just a smattering of what's going on with
the TBA.&amp;nbsp; With so many different people
weighing in, you're sure to find someone to agree with - and someone to
disagree with, too.&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;img src="http://cs.bloodhorse.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=23073" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/tags/TBA/default.aspx">TBA</category><category domain="http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/tags/That_2700_s+Amore+Stable/default.aspx">That's Amore Stable</category><category domain="http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/tags/Thoroughbred+Bloggers+Alliance/default.aspx">Thoroughbred Bloggers Alliance</category><category domain="http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/tags/Frank+Vespe/default.aspx">Frank Vespe</category><category domain="http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/tags/Cangamble/default.aspx">Cangamble</category></item><item><title>Horse Racing Must Drop Takeouts Substantially</title><link>http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/2008/11/14/gamble.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:26:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">b1464f20-99eb-45e5-b651-41da03ecff36:21291</guid><dc:creator>cdawahare</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=21291</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/thoroughbred-bloggers-alliance/archive/2008/11/14/gamble.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;By Cangamble&lt;span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I've written about fixing horse racing many times before.
Most notably, June 2007, I wrote a post called &lt;a href="http://cangamble.blogspot.com/2007/06/how-to-save-horse-racing.html" mce_href="http://cangamble.blogspot.com/2007/06/how-to-save-horse-racing.html"&gt;How
To Save Horse Racing&lt;/a&gt;, and in February 2007 I wrote a piece called &lt;a href="http://cangamble.blogspot.com/2007/02/thoughts-on-track-takeoutsuper-bowl.html" mce_href="http://cangamble.blogspot.com/2007/02/thoughts-on-track-takeoutsuper-bowl.html"&gt;Thoughts
On Track Takeout&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
In the last year, horse racing has gone even more downhill even more when it
comes to the growth and the bettor. Most of this has to do with the current
ADW-Horsemen conflict, but in the last year we also saw even more tremendous
idiocy when Calder and NYRA raised their track takeouts.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
The economy isn't helping right now, but horse racing has been dying for years.
The reason is simple. It doesn't even try to compete with other forms of
gambling, and no long term winners are produced, so as to attract new players.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Drugs, potential cheating, lack of proper disclosure, fatal injuries, etc. are
just secondary problems when it comes to growth. In fact, if racing were to
increase their fan/bettor base by competing for more players, the other
problems would go away because integrity would actually matter as the game
would be taken seriously again, by the masses, and the masses would demand it.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
All the marketing in the world won't help grow the game. Sure, it might get
someone to come to the track once, but there is absolutely nothing that will
hook the person to be a regular customer.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Aside from the fact that it takes years to understand most of the handicapping
nuances that allows a player to be better than average, the reality is that
being better than average won't make one a winner. Far from it. A handicapper
is considered good if he or she only loses 10 cents on the dollar (the collective
average takeout at Woodbine, for example, is around 21-22%).&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Racing execs have shifted their mentality. And the result: In the 60's and 70's
racetracks were hesitant to even bring in exotics because they were worried
that fans would lose money too fast and be discouraged. Now racing is set up under the baseball stadium model: Get as much as you can
from the customer as quickly as you can because they might not be back for a
while. You will probably not see many of them again.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Why Was Racing So Popular In The 60's and 70's?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;
It was the only game in town in many places. Players also had lower takeouts to
overcome. No exotics. No intertrack. You only had around 40-45 races a week to
play. &lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Sharp handicappers had speed figures, before Beyer figures came along and were
published them in the form. There were winners, there were those who were
getting a regular return of 95-1.10 on their betting. Those who won attracted
many players to at least dabble as well. Friends and family were brought to the
track, because quite a few people left with money in their pockets so they
could come back again the next day.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Many of players that are still left in the game today are products of home
environments that included at least a day at the track each week with their parents.
And this was made possible because the game used to be possibly beatable in the
long term.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
There were no major lotteries to compete with, and in Toronto, it wasn't until the Blue Jays came
into town in the mid 70's that the race track realized they were no longer a
monopoly.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Still, because racing was still a monopoly when it came to legalized gambling,
the stands and the pools attracted a lot of mooch money. Gamblers who didn't
even want to bother reading a racing form, who regularly lost 20 to 30 cents on
every bet. This created another edge for those who devoted time to handicapping
in an attempt to beat the game.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
So how did race tracks react to not being the only game in town? They raised
takeouts and tried to compete with more and more exotics. Triactors and
superfectas with a track takeout of 25% plus are bankroll killers. They pumped
in simulcasts, and nowadays an outfit like HPI show 15 tracks a day.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Intertrack/simulcast wagering made sure that only a few people could go home
with money in their pockets. The least they could have done is drastically
reduce takeouts so players could last a bit longer each day. But the opposite
happened, triactors with their high takeouts are now available in every race
that has at least 6 horses. Racing has become like blackjack in the fact that
you can play 5 really good hands every 20 minutes. Except blackjacks house edge
(takeout) is 15 times lower than the takeout at a race track.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
And then came slots and lotteries. Slots made sure that mooch money in the
pools has disappeared to almost zero. There is hardly a player left who bets
without a form. And family day is dead as well. Slots are way more appealing to
those who just want to gamble. No thinking is required. Yet, even those who run
slots realize that if they increased their takeout to over 10%, slots would be
in trouble too. People keep coming back because it mostly takes time to scoop
the players gambling money. Someone going to the track knows that $100 may give
you 6-9 minutes of real action depending on how much one bets. If you are lucky
enough, you might cash, and be able to win another 6-9 minutes of real action.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
The way the game is set up today, it is impossible for winners to be created.
Nowadays you have good handicappers facing great handicappers, and the great
handicapper isn't a winner unless he or she is getting a very good rebate.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Marketers can't go there. They can't advertise that the only people who win at
the track are those who bet offshore, or those who get substantial rebates.
Racing has no long term winning poster boy unlike poker which has many. Is it a
wonder that online poker and other forms of gambling have grown while racing,
despite being available all over the place, has gone down the toilet when it
comes to growth?&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;b&gt;RACING NEEDS TO REDUCE TAKEOUT SUBSTANTIALLY IF THEY WANT TO GROW, NOTHING
ELSE WILL WORK&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Takeouts need to be in the 10-12% range or forget about it.&lt;/p&gt;



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