Dale's Dudes

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Footlick — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:33:22 GMT

Again this has nothing to do with the Triple Crown and Draynay has once again suckered all of you into focusing your attention on him. Move the needle. Get on topic. Please.

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stevebiscuit — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 02:23:39 GMT

Draynay, I seem to recall the words, "Zenyatta will not win another race all year", being said all year! You said Zenyatta had no chance against a horse like Quality Road and that he was the HOTY. Going back further, you even said that Zenyatta had no chance in the 2009 Breeder's Cup Classic and that Gio Ponti and Quality Road were too good for her. Hey, while I'm at it, you also said Rachel Alexandra and Quality Road would both go into last year's Classic undefeated. Am I wrong?

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Mike Relva — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:13:41 GMT

DRAYNAY

You talk as if Zenyatta finished last,that was your horse! Guess you were WRONG when you said Blame would win HOY. lol

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Draynay — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:07:47 GMT

Zenyatta never proved me wrong. I ALWAYS said she wasn't good enough to win a race against top males on dirt and she wasn't. Her record again males on dirt is a terrible 0 for 1. Rachel Alexandra is 3 and 0 I believe.

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stevebiscuit — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 04:03:01 GMT

Draynay, how many times has Zenyatta proved you wrong?

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Draynay — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:24:47 GMT

Mike, the difference between Secretariat and Uncle Mo is simple. Secretariat lost on his way to the Triple Crown.

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Mike Relva — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:16:59 GMT

DRAYNAY

Tell you what,let's just move over Secretariat and say now Uncle Mo makes him look like a claimer,ok? You will have jumped off Mo long before May,especially if he doesn't win Tampa. I can't believe you actually believe this junk,anything for attention.

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Draynay — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:53:27 GMT

stevebiscuit, you proved you know nothing about racing. Zenyatta did not race in open company all year. She stayed in restricted poly races all year. The first time she EVER raced in open company on dirt she got beat. She never won a thing east of the Mississippi she was a regional champion and nothing more. Blame won. Blame BEAT her. Blame is your HOY he won it on the track and everyone knows it.

Mike, Quality Road never won at 1 1/4 on dirt and Zenyatta never did either.

Furlongs, yes we all know there is such things as injury but throwing that aside Uncle Mo is your Derby winner. He is far and away the best running and there isn't enough time to make up where this horse is heading. A 108 Beyer ? Let me know another horse to post a 108 before the Derby. You are seeing a 30 year horse and haven't even figured it out yet. Uncle Mo is the 2nd coming. Wake up.

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Footlick — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:19:25 GMT

Furlongs- you will see him blog all over the internet and it is the same thing over and over. I tried to say the same thing about touting Uncle Mo the way he does, and he just lashed out at me. I now just skip over what he says. It's not even entertainment value to me anymore. I suggest you do the same.

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hatechalk — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:31:31 GMT

Where you do live drayray?

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Furlongs — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:19:59 GMT

After reading all these things I really think something is mentally wrong with DRAY... I am just saying. I mean he acts like cause he was at the Breeders Cup live that means something! lol I was there I live in Louisville, I was a guest in Section 320 with WestPoint TB what does that have anything to do with anything?? You act like your the only one that attends the races live in person. I really think DRAY needs some help... We know you love Mo and hes talented, no true handicapper is going to say hes not talented but most are not going to act as if the Derby is his for the taking as well, its a long way until May and trust me touting Mo makes you look stupid and makes you look like a guy that just loves 3/5 when you can get it. So keep an open mind at least on here... It's ok to love Mo but just stop acting like your the only one on here that knows anything about horseracing and what talent looks like... Thanks

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stevebiscuit — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:21:34 GMT

Draynay, I was just starting to like Uncle Mo. Now it appears that you've doomed him. In regards to Zenyatta, she had the better year, was the better horse and was the most deserving of Horse of the Year...period! Why is it that you excuse Quality Road's poor performances at a mile and a quarter due to a sloppy track, yet ignore the fact that Zenyatta wasn't handling Churchill Downs's cuppy surface? She proved in that race that she was good enough to beat any males on dirt and had their trips been switched, Zenyatta would have beaten Blame by at least 3. The voters knew the difference between ability and luck. Blame had both, but luck played a large role in his win over Zenyatta. The voters recognized that and rewarded Zenyatta with the award she's deserved for the past 3 years. Despite your claims that Zenyatta has never beaten males at a mile and a quarter on dirt, she's beaten 11 and just inches short of 12. That's even more than Quality Road, who's only beaten 9 horses at a mile and a quarter on dirt. Isn't he the horse you said was the next Ghostzapper? You just don't seem to get it and I doubt you ever will, Zenyatta was the best horse in the world for 3 years. If she ran a mile and a quarter on any surface and she received a trip similar to the one she had in the 09 Classic, there's no horse that can beat her. 2010 Horse Of The Year: Zenyatta!

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Mike Relva — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:35:35 GMT

DRAYNAY

Tell me when did QR ever win at a 1 1/4 ? Zenyatta has won at that distance. You will have to live with the fact she beat Blame,no matter what you say doesn't change the fact,not like when you wake up tomorrow and the result will change.

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Carlos in Cali — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:27:30 GMT

Azeri in 02'!

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Footlick — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:46:26 GMT

Somehow I thought HOY wasn't going to be discussed.

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Draynay — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:17:37 GMT

I believe Zenyatta was given HOY due to the fact she didn't win beyond 1 1/8th and did not beat males. I believe it is the first time in history HOY has gone to a horse like that. Sad.

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Carlos in Cali — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 02:40:01 GMT

Read this and cry yourself to sleep Draynay:

QR- Zero Eclipse Awards.None.Zip.Zilch. And No wins @ 1 1/4.

Zenyatta- 4 Eclipse Awards including HOY.And a win vs. males @ 1 1/4.

How you like them apples?...lol.

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Mike Relva — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:48:26 GMT

DRAYNAY

Give me ONE race that QR got a 1 1/4? QR is a miler,like ron Ellis said last yr. It's killing you Zenyatta won HOY. So,tell me how the HOY award worked out for you? lol Obviously 128 voters disagree with you. lol Just pretend QR won instead,you'll be ok. lol

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Draynay — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:30:03 GMT

You're right I did type Easy Goer. Sorry, REAL QUIET. There I fixed it.

Quality Road caught mud twice and then a sticky track. He still had a better year than Zenyatta. Zenyatta finished ahead of QR in the Classic? That doesn't matter just ask Blame. Blame beat the best all year and didn't win HOY. They gave it to the loser with no wins over 1 1/8th and no wins vs. males. First time in history I believe. Laughable.

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Footlick — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:42:29 GMT

Dray- At least I use facts and knowledge. Not just brash statements of how a horse is the greatest ever. Zenyatta ran alot better at 10 furlongs on her dirt try than Quality Road did on his 3 tries. So you are still wrong. And when did Indian Charlie run against Easy Goer? That must have been some fantasy race you were imagining. Indian Charlie's do not show a fondness for 10 furlongs in May. Uncle Mo may be the one, but to state it as a certainty is foolish. I guess I was wrong about stating your opinion. You have to know facts for that, Stick to making your brash outlandish statements. I'll just ignore them from now on. Indian Charlie running against Easy Goer????????

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Draynay — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:21:24 GMT

Footlick, I guess using your theories Zenyatta couldn't get 1 1/4 on dirt. She raced over a mile 1/8th on dirt one time in her career and couldn't get the distance. Quality Road had no problem with 1 1/4 he had a problem with catching a fast track. Indian Charlie didn't have a problem with 1 1/4 he had a problem with Easy Goer. Uncle Mo has a 2 turn win at Churchill against G1 company. He beat a very very good horse in BAT. Let me know when another horse beats BAT. Until then Mo looks like a LOCK.

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Footlick — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 05:40:21 GMT

Dray- Arch/Kris s are not precocious lines. You may not be able to count on those lines to kick in as early as May or even in his 3 yr old year. Indian Charlie, on the other hand, is a precocious line, but not a distance oriented line. I think it is 50/50 whether he gets 10 furlongs by May. Not saying he won't, just saying it isn't certain. He has only gone 8.5 furlongs, correct? That means it is a little more than 300 yds. They don't want to start him off his layoff at 9 furlongs. If stamina is not an issue and you assume they will be running a sound horse, why would they not want to start his year off at 9 furlongs if he is going to run 10 in 2 more races? I would worry about that if you were concerned about fitness or stamina. You also said that Quality Road could easily get 10 furlongs. Whether you like it or not, it is obvious he could not. The problem is that getting 9 furlongs has nothing to do with getting 10 furlongs. Many many horses who looked like 10 furlongs would be no problem were undone by that extra furlong. You have to learn not to make statements of certainty. State your opinion as opinion, not as a certain fact. If you are proved right, you will be able to bask in the glory. But if you state something as irrefutable and it proves wrong, you will be ridiculed.

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Tom F V — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 04:33:04 GMT

There's been no reason to believe that many of the early favorites over the years would not have been in the gate. Yet they weren't.

All I'm saying is to make these definitive, can't miss comments would be considered precipitous at best. Opinion and speculation is all it is.

Any horseman knows that Murphy's law is alive and well when it comes to race horses, especially 3 year old Derby prospects in January.

Why do you think the futures are so hard to pick?

Some people are strictly pedigree people and some go on conformation, pedigree doesn't always hold true and it isn't a beauty contest. It may just be that certain IT.

Add twenty horses and 150,000 people to the equation and it really can change the picture a lot. Then figure the preps into it to earn enough to qualify and the possibility of injury, illness or a real clunker thrown in there and who knows what will happen.

Your favorites are yours and some may agree with you, however, those who have their favorites have the same right. Unless you can predict the future you're just using your parameters, same as others are using theirs. Most of us think we have a shot with a prospect or we wouldn't be foolishly tossing money out the window. Not in this economic climate in the breeding, sales and racing game.

By the way who were you touting for the Derby last year?

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Draynay — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:09:14 GMT

Tom, you can't win a race unless you are in the gate. There is NO REASON to think Mo won't be in the gate. There is also no reason to believe he won't win again going a extra 300 yards in May. He has plenty of stamina on the dam side.

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Tom F V — Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:07:50 GMT

"Good question on Dublin Runfast159. Did he fall off the face earth or what? No works since the Preakness. Have no idea what happened to him...

jshandler 11 Jan 2011 5:05 PM"

He was on the worktab for today and the work went pretty well.

The plan all along, as Wayne publically stated, was to give him some time off after having the chips removed and bring him back most likely after the first of the year. The chips became apparent after the Preakness. I'm surprised you didn't ask Wayne, Jason. :)

"Draynay, how about prefacing your predictions with, "Barring accident or injury..."

TNCat 14 Jan 2011 6:02 PM"

This is the key component. The main thing all trainers and owners of promising horses hold their breath for.

Talent and success at two doesn't always, even rarely translates to success in the Derby. Ever hear of the BC Juvenile jinx? It took many years for that to be broken.