Rebel: Going for the Gusto

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Mike Relva — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:08:56 GMT

FURLONGS

Your comments are interesting and funny. He doesn't like to admit when in error,which is more often than not.

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Billy's Empire — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:31:56 GMT

Footlick, she was awesome. Too bad her career was cut short.

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Footlick — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:07:43 GMT

Billy- Melair was one of my favorites. That was a fast filly!

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Billy's Empire — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:58:37 GMT

Melair whooped Snow Chief!!

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furlongs — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:34:45 GMT

Mike Relva-

Thanks...I mean Draynay's stuff gets really old. I mean it is funny at times cause I know how he really likes to play the bad guy on this blog, but sometimes he says the dumbest things and then when people try to say something about it he ignores it as if it was never said. It's a joke and people just get tired of it. I mean we are all on this blog becuse our passion for horseracing, and this guy acts like he is the only one that knows whats going on, and in fact he is the one in the dark all the time!! LOL

Good luck at the windows everyone.

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Footlick — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 23:20:32 GMT

Carlos- I was much older in the 80's and probably in a bit of a haze.

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stevebiscuit — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:12:08 GMT

A Racing Fan, the only thing that got Snow Chief beat in the 1986 Derby was that he didn't handle Churchill's quirky surface. He was the best of his crop and still holds the track record at Oaklawn Park for a mile and an eighth. Mo has some talent, but he wouldn't have stood a chance against Snow Chief. If Mo gets beat in the Derby it'll be because he wasn't good enough, not because of the surface.

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Mike Relva — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:27:27 GMT

DRAYNOT

Very good points,agree with you.

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Mike Relva — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:24:07 GMT

BILLY'S EMPIRE

No,I'm not "really old".

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Billy's Empire — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:42:01 GMT

If you picked a million losers, you would have to be really old.....

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draynot — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:23:18 GMT

If Mo doesn't win the Derby(and I seriously doubt it) he will pretend he wasn't proclaiming as early as Jan. Mo would win the Triple Crown. lmao

Mike Relva 22 Mar 2011 10:41 PM

Mike,

It will be because Mo got stepped on never mind he broke into the horse that stepped on him and that horse was thrown off stride.

The other spin will be the track was too cuppy for him and the maintanance people ruined a Triple Crown.

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Mike Relva — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:16:31 GMT

BILLY'S EMPIRE

I've picked more than 3 winners in the past couple years. You forget last yr when I had Haynesfield among others'. Here's something for you to ponder. If I've selected a million winners,or a million losers what does it matter? It has ZERO consequence on my personal life,it means nothing! Billy,my life doesn't rise or fall on how many/few I get right.

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Billy's Empire — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:47:28 GMT

Footlick. I agree with you assessment, and I am giving the Factor the praise he deserves for the way he ran that race. It was impressive. Just more Lion Heart tham War Emblem.

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Carlos in Cali — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:57:05 GMT

Footlick, I swear I didn't Google it,haha.Me being 14yo's at the time I remember the 80's vividly.Don't know if that's good or bad though?..

Re: The Factor, I see it this way so far:

Catch 22- You're damed if you try and match strides with him and damned if you let him settle on the front end.It looked like 9f wouldn't be a problem for him in the Rebel,it's the 10f and possible pace pressure that might reel him in. To me,he's probably more comparable to Spend A Buck or Sunny's Halo at the moment.We'll see.

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mickey 1957 — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:31:38 GMT

carlo,s your correct......

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Footlick — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:33:26 GMT

Up through the Preakness, War Emblem won two races without the lead. One was an allowance race where he was three lengths back at the first call. The other was the Preakness where he was head and head on the pace. All his other wins up until then were wire to wire. So, I guess technically he did not need the lead, but he obviously was better when he had it.

I'm not going to try to extrapolate what kind of pace The Factor has to set when he hasn't passed his 9 furlongs test yet. He set a much more controlled pace in the Rebel, and Garcia got him to take a breather before he rebroke. Let's wait before making the judgement.

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Forbidden Apple — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:59:19 GMT

Dr. Drunkinbum,

Thank you for the response on the Tomlinson numbers. It was the distance number for The Factor that I noticed a big change in, not the wet #. Not that the Tomlinson #'s are 100% accurate, but his distance # was 431 on saturday. I was shocked that he has the highest distance # of any horse I have seen on the KY Derby trail. Yet most people are still saying that The Factor is only a sprinter.

I am sure that no horse in training will skip a race because Brethren is in the entry box.

And I highly doubt that Premier Pegasus will skip the S.A. Derby because of The Factor. It does not sound good for Riveting Reason, so I see Premier Pegasus as a definite starter in the S.A. Derby.

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Billy's Empire — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:04:00 GMT

War Emblem also did not need the lead, like the Factor, and he ran 47, 1:11 3/5 and 136 in the KY Derby. Unless The Factor learns to slow down a little, he is done. If he runs those fractions in the Derby, he will not even be on the lead... Someone yesterday said they could see a Giacomo type Derby again, where a plodder wins b/c the pace falls apart. Who is the plodder?

That is the $64,000 question.

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Billy's Empire — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:33:33 GMT

Relva, very few? You mean like the amount of races you picked this year? Okay, so you can hang your hat on Turbulent Decesnt, Zenyatta, and The Factor. 3 winners in a 3 year span. Amazing. Can I subscribe to Relva school of handicrapping? Where can I send my check?

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furlongs — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 05:40:35 GMT

LOL at Draynay!!!!!

He thinks Brethren, Cal Nation, and Stay Thirsty is better and faster the The Factor!! He even states it in the blog after I had to ask him like 10 times in over a week! DRAYNAY is not even close! Please tell everyone in here you really do not think that! WOW is all I can say about this guy... Have you EVER looked through a Racing Form before??

DRAYNAY- I think you need to give up horseracing and take up slots, there isn't any thinking envolved to play slots, just hit max bet!!

Good luck at the windows everyone.

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Footlick — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 03:00:06 GMT

Hey - Carlos was right!

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Footlick — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:53:08 GMT

My guess would have been Alydar. I was going to say Easy Goer, but then remembered he won the Belmont. Oops. I don;t think it is fair to google the answer, but now that I have posted, I will.

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Mike Relva — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:41:16 GMT

FURLONGS

Bravo. If Mo doesn't win the Derby(and I seriously doubt it) he will pretend he wasn't proclaiming as early as Jan. Mo would win the Triple Crown. lmao

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Carlos in Cali — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:22:13 GMT

mickey,

Off the top of my head,was it Chief's Crown?

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furlongs — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:09:51 GMT

Draynay-

How dare you talk to me on here without answering the question! You can't name 4 horses faster or better then The Factor in Pletcher's barn! You duck and dodge after you say dumb stuff and you think I even come close to caring what you think? You are a FRAUD Handicapper simple as that. There are little old ladies at the track picking more winners then you cause they like the color of the silks! Please do not comment on anything I say on this blog until you step up and tell this blog which 3 year olds in Todd Pletcher's barn are faster then The Factor. I mean 3 days ago you were saying they were going to run Cal Nation in the Ark Derby!! Your a complete joke, simple as that. You get called out on things and refuse to answer for them and just wait until they go away over time. NOT THIS TIME! You want to be in love with Uncle Mo hey I got no problem with that, to be honest I don't care who you like. There are smart people everyday that lose at the track and there are dumb people everyday that win at the track so do not ever think I care what you have to offer this blog. But when you go out and say stupid things such as the Pletcher comment about The Factor, then you should at least be man enough to stand behind your facts and answer the questions. Although in this case there is no way you have facts. Todd Pletcher has one 3 year old that is as fast as The Factor simple as that. I hope Uncle Mo wins the Wood by daylight. I want him to enter the starting gate as low odds as possible because no way do I use Uncle Mo on the top of ANY of my tickets on Derby Day! If he wins it won't be the first time I have been wrong and I know it won't be the last, I can live with that. I don't care if people know I was wrong. I don't have to act like I am right all the time I have self-esteam. No Uncle Mo for me on Derby Day, simple as that. If he wins the race I hope he goes on to win the Triple Crown cause horseracing needs it. Good luck at the windows everyone...