Maclean's Music Will be Heard

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Mike Relva — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:17:06 GMT

DRAYNAY

Perhaps why people wanna talk about the Triple Crown,is cause after him it's only been done twice since.

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Draynay — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:08:16 GMT

Mike, it's not a slam it's called the truth. Secretariat had a great 4 race run. He lost the Wood and then won 4 in a row in fantastic fashion and that is what many will always remember. After the Woodward they really didn't have any faith that Secretariat could win on dirt having lost 2 of his last 3 so they tried turf and it worked. But don't forget the facts of WHY they went to turf. He was a great 3 year old but his Wood, Whitney, and Woodward were not very good races he got beat badly in all 3. But few ever talk about his 3 loses everyone wants to talk only about his 3 Triple Crown wins. In my opinion Rachel had a better 3 year old season. She was perfect and Secretariat was far from it.

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Mike Relva — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:44:08 GMT

DRAYNAY

If you were smart you would realize just how foolish you look to most by going on a "Secretariat slam". It's a disgrace to a truly great racehorse! You don't get it!

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draynay — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:36:24 GMT

Uncle Mo is 4 races from greatness. After he wins the Wood you will say he faced no one. After he wins the Derby you will say he had his own way. After he wins the Preakness you will say he will never win the Belmont or it wasn't as fast as Secretariat. You will say something and miss the joy of a Triple Crown run.

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Draynay — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:30:50 GMT

You're right Uncle Mo will do what Secretariat could not do. Go undefeated at 2 and win the Wood.

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no mo mo — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:13:34 GMT

Uncle Mo would have to win all the Triple Crown races in record time like Secratariat did to even be considered in the same breath. Uncle Mo will not even win the Ky. Derby much less in record time!!

Secratariat did what no mo will ever do.

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Bluegrasscat — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:28:36 GMT

On Brethren he finished right where his connections wanted him to finish but his next race needs to be W/P Show may give him enuff but he needs 40-60K if all horses with GE run interesting situation!!Nothing against Draynay I dont post here often enuff to no any one but Uncle Mo has a lot to overcome yet getting to the derby and winning under Mr. JV has been a daunting task in FOREVER see Invisible Ink-Bluegrass Cat, Esky an so on.Plus he seems like a miler to me My gut says he does not make the Derby and all that future money is a bust BUT if he run strong in his next and comes away healthy and works prove it and Johnny Vee is on him as the gate closesTHEN Maybe JV gets the Roses CAN I GET AN AMEN I have not made my pick yet 0-21 attempts in the Derby but it is not for lack of trying I can still hear my self say who the hell is Little E.T.--I Love this time of year.There is still a good bit of horse racing to do yet.

Nobody had the OBVIOUS horses Animal Kingdom and Pants On Fire HAHAHA LOL This is my point exactly it just aint that easy come this time of year but these preps and derby represent the best betting opportunities in gambling IMO Whats up with the Fl Derby ?????????

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Mike Relva — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:59:50 GMT

STEVEBISCUIT

You couldn't be more right,but a certain individual won't step up to the plate an admit how foolish he is. He will do a one eighty and pretend he was NEVER on Mo. lmas

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Draynay — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:47:33 GMT

The point is this, when you compare Secretariat at 2 to Uncle Mo at 2 Uncle Mo was better and faster.

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Footlick — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:42:26 GMT

Draynay-

"On July 4, 1972, Secretariat finished fourth, beaten 1 1/4 lengths, in his first race at Aqueduct Racetrack when he was impeded at the start, forced to take up on the backstretch and then could not make up the ground. After that loss, Secretariat then won 5 races in a row, including three important two-year-old stakes races, the Sanford Stakes and Hopeful Stakes at Saratoga Race Course, and the Futurity Stakes at Belmont Park. In the Hopeful, he made a huge move, passing 8 horses in 1/4 mile to take the lead and then drawing off to win by 5 lengths. He then ran in the Champagne Stakes at Belmont, where he finished first but was disqualified and placed second for bearing in and interfering with Stop the Music, who was declared the winner.

Secretariat avenged that loss in the Laurel Futurity, winning by 8 lengths over Stop the Music, and completed his season with a win in the Garden State Futurity. Secretariat won the Eclipse Award for American Champion Two-Year-Old Male Horse, and, in a rare occurrence, two two-year-olds topped the balloting for 1972 American Horse of the Year honors with Secretariat edging out the filly, La Prevoyante. Secretariat received the votes of the Thoroughbred Racing Associations of North America and the Daily Racing Form, while La Prevoyante was chosen by the National Turf Writers Association.[2]"

Those are the facts. You either have forgotten what the East Coast two year old season was like, and that horse were expected to run a full season, and that horses were allowed to run through their conditions because that was how they progressed and got a real foundation, or you never knew it. By the way, La Prevoyante, a daughter of Buckpasser, went 12 for 12 in the US and Canada as a two year old.

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Draynay — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:41:45 GMT

Uncle Mo is just 4 races away from greatness and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

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stevebiscuit — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:00:37 GMT

Draynay, so every time we see a 2 year old break its maiden first time out we should just assume they're better than Secretariat? I guess running in an allowance race(disguised as the Timely Writer) against non-winners of 2 and a claimer is the true mark of a champion. What about the runner up in the Champagne? Didn't he finish last in an allowance race recently? So far, Mo's biggest accomplishment has been beating a group of green 2 year olds. If you're trying to draw an accurate comparison you should be analyzing actual figures and quality of competition instead of simply stating who had more wins at a certain point of their career. Uncle Mo is far from unbeatable. Savor the streak while it lasts, it won't be long until it's over.

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Mike Relva — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:01:14 GMT

DRAYNAY

If MO doesn't win the Wood,please don't spin it,ok? You are indicating he's a lock,just like you are saying he will win the Derby.

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Draynay — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:23:35 GMT

Uncle Mo went from a Maiden win directly into a G1 race and then into a Breeders Cup Championship race. Secretariat lost his first race and had to run into a Maiden race AGAIN and then into a allowance race. If you can't see that Uncle Mo was a better 2 year old you are either blind or a liar. Uncle Mo was faster and won every race. Secretariat lost twice but somehow you still believe he was better. Based on what? Stick with facts.

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Forbidden Apple — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:04:44 GMT

In 1972 Secretariat had 8 wins. In 2010 Uncle Mo had 3 wins. Many of the races in 1972 that Secretariat won were not graded back then. Again, you fail to take into account the 38 year difference. His next 4 races? This is the problem, you are already crowning Mo a champion and mapping out his next 4 races. Remember Eskendereya, Quality Road, and I Want Revenge. Nothing is for sure in this game, a horses career can take a turn for the worse with one bad step. It would be smart to take it one race at a time. Mo can win the Wood Memorial over creampuffs, big deal. You said it, keep your STORY straight and wake up to reality. You are stuck in your own My Little Pony fantasy world.

I am starting to believe that you are not a real person. Just a blog name set up by someone else to fling garbage at others.

Mo will taste defeat soon, so start making up your spin control now.

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furlongs — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:59:32 GMT

AND by the way don't try to say you were just saying at age two. You stated Uncle Mo won't lose the Wood like Big Red did. Well that might be true but winning the Wood isn't winning the Derby and that IS what Secretariat did in record time at that. Thank goodness people on here know who you are and take what you say with a grain of salt. Cause your making REAL horseplayers look like a joke with your statements.

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furlongs — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:56:00 GMT

DRAYNAY-

You comparing Uncle Mo to Secretariet is like others saying Zenyatta is the best horse ever! You know the ones you hammer on these blogs for saying that kind of stuff. I think the Secretariet/Uncle Mo talks needs to simmer down cause its even making you look dumber then you have looked in the past and that pretty hard to do from what I read on here. Now Zenyatta was a wonderful mare and Uncle Mo is a talented young horse. BUT niether is or will ever be as great as Secretariat. When Uncle Mo breaks WORLD records and runs Mile and a 1/2 with each furlongs that he runs faster then the last we can start to compair the two. When Uncle Mo wins the Triple Crown then we can compair. When Uncle Mo brings racing back to the front page of Newspapers like Big Red did then we will compair. But where I am standing it looks like Mo has some real big shoes to fill to do those things. Good luck at the wondows everyone.

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Draynay — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:28:54 GMT

Forbidden Apple, since Mo won his Maiden 2 of his next 3 races have been G1 races and his next 4 races are G1 races so again..... stick to facts please.

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Draynay — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:04:12 GMT

Forbidden Apple, keep the story straight. I said at 2 Uncle Mo was a better horse. All the FACTS say he was. Will he be better than Secretariat at 3? I can tell you this much Uncle Mo won't lose the Wood.

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Forbidden Apple — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:32:02 GMT

The races are 38 years apart! Who cares about how fast a maiden race was run in. Mo is 100% going to taste defeat, soon come bumbaclot. Every post that comes out of your mouth is full of garbage. Out of 100 racing fans, you would be the only person to say that Mo is better than Secretariat. Secretariat won the Triple Crown! So far Mo has beat Boys@Tosconova at 2 and won the Timely Writer Derby. His credentials are weak and below average. Your twisted claims make far less sense with every passing week.

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Forbidden Apple — Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:21:41 GMT

After the FL Derby, all of you Brethren, Stay Thirsty, and Uncle Mo fans will see what a serious KY Derby horse looks like. Dialed In is going to squash Stay Thirsty. It's time to own up to the fact that Mo is not the only colt with talent. Yet many bloggers are calling him a Triple Crown winner. Again, has anyone heard of another blogger saying that there favorite horse is going to win the Triple Crown? The answer is no, only Mo gets this kind of hype. This kind of talk is arrogance at it's best.

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Draynay — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:57:45 GMT

You're right Forbidden Apple let's continue to ignore the FACTS. Secretariat lost twice and did not run as fast as Uncle Mo right away. He had to run sprints again and again and still didn't run as fast as Mo first time out. Mo won his Maiden and then won back to back G1 races including the Championship. Secretariat was still trying to win his first race when Mo was winning a G1 those are the facts. How many 6 furlong races would Mo have to win and how fast before you admit he was faster at 2. Don't talk garbage to me talk facts. Rookie.

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Draynay — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:44:35 GMT

Coldfacts, are you serious? You really have no idea do you?

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Forbidden Apple — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:34:44 GMT

Draynay,

Your comments are so far off from reality. I can not beleive that someone who works for the Bloodhorse let's you bash Secretariat week after week. Secretariat hit the gate in his first start. In 1973 they did not have Beyer SPEED figures or bullett workouts. Only you would think up some garbage like this. How can you compare times at Churchill Downs for races that are 38 years apart?

I remember several weeks ago when the almighty Tom FV or something like that, said that some of my comments were bad for racing. Your comments are silly at best and clearly against racing history.

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Coldfacts — Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:29:53 GMT

draynay

“Coldfacts, you couldn't handicap your way out of a wet diaper.”

I will take the liberty of assuming you are an intelligent adult although the above comment suggests the adjective preceding adult might have been misused. I failed to see either the need or relevance of such a comment. We can have a civil exchange without void of comment like the above as I do not believe you have the vocabulary to compete in the rudeness arena. I suggest you adopt the response policy cited below:

“Soldat will be tough on Derby Day because he has the deepest FOUNDATION of any horse in the Derby. It is likely he will be the only horse with 3 wins at 1 1/8th this year”

Valid point but how significant is three competitive 9F preps? Well let’s visit some colt facts associated with the last 5 derby winners:

Super Saver (two 3yo start) 8.5F & 9F

Mine That Bird (two 3yo start) 8F & 8.5F

Big Brown (two 3yo start) 8F & 9F

Barbaro (three 3yo start) All at 9F

Street Sense (two 3yo start) 8.5F & 9F

Only one of the last 5 derby winner made three 9F starts. It therefore is reasonable to assume that Soldat does not have a significant advantage by have three starts or wins at 9F.Infact it is unusual for three at 9F before the derby.

“Uncle Mo is going to win the Derby because he is the most talented horse I have seen in 30 years”

You are entailed to your opining but not facts. Even your opinions have not been stated properly. It should really be the most talented 2YO. There have been 2YOs whose performances have superseded those of Mighty Mo. You bar for most talented has to be very low.

“You pretending like a California horse will have something to say in the Derby is laughable.”

If horses could talk I am sure the CA horses would have a few choice words for you. However, since they cannot let us compare their PP. I am of the opinion that the top CA horses have the speed figures and stamina in their pedigree to be competitive in the Derby. There is nothing laughable about that. What is laughable is statement like “Uncle Mo is going to win the Derby because he is the most talented horse I have seen in 30 years” In race of glorious uncertainties it is advisable that bold predictions be avoided at all cost.

“I choose not to give up on Brethren because he got a tough ride last time and even the jock admits it.”

No one is recommending that you should not give up on Brethren. Just don’t make excuses about track condition and post as it make you sound like a whiner. He is a nice colt that disappointed in his last race. He had no excuse. He cannot transfer to different locations the tack that best suits him. He is a thoroughbred and he should do what he was bred to do ‘Run”