Is 3-Year-Old Championship at Stake in Belmont?

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white horse — Mon, 19 Dec 2011 03:41:07 GMT

A friend told me about this site and what some said or didn't say about Jockey/Trainer John Fellie.

Well let me give some FACTS.He was first under contract to Max Hirsch untill Mr.Hirsch death in 1969 then Lucien Laurin bought the contract from the Hirsch astate in 1969.Laurin leased the contract to Frank Marrill in Canada in 1970 were he rode races,he also rode all around the U.S.He retired from riding in 1985 and trained race horses starting in 1986.After he retired from training untill the

presant were he has lived on a small cattle ranch he owns in N.M.were he enjoys the ranching life style and still owns a few race horses.Anyway why the interest in John Fellie he's been retired for quit some time and now in his mid 60s.

re: Is 3-Year-Old Championship at Stake in Belmont?

Slew — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:08:42 GMT

mz: It seems to be that colts were the subject of conversation, and there is no Eclipse award just for 3 year old champion. It's 3 yr old male, and 3 yr old female. And the Eclipse award WAS the topic....and it would seem...no one has grabbed that Eclipse yet. Now we may have to pay attention to Stay Thirsty to see if he goes to Saratoga and does it like Daddy. (pedant to pedant)

As far as American politics go...aren't you from Canada? I am so freakin' tired of Weiner whiners, Charlie's dementia, and Palin's malapropisms. Maybe the mainstream media should have concentrated more on the Triple Crown, and less on the wasted space inside vacuous craniums. At least then the news might have been interesting instead of just lurid. (I still think only birds should tweet, while twitter should go silent)

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sniper1 — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:04:08 GMT

Billy--Will look up and watch Coil but I don't bet Syn.

At least you get the idea

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Mike Relva — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:39:25 GMT

AAF

So,how's your blog comming along? lmao

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sniper1 — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 21:24:54 GMT

AAF--If you only knew 1/2 of what I forgot you'd be a contender

--that said the only horse mentioned I 1/2 like is Al Khali only because I believe he doesn't like Churchill and having a $100 plus bet two back he had absolutely no excuse for not closing the deal--but I admit I am a sucker for him because given even a glimmer of room he wins two more big stakes last year.

There are many reasons to take a shot against Turbulent Decent--but I WILL GO CHALK and pick her---I just think she is the best and you have to single somewhere win or lose. CA Horse and all

That with the Derby and Preakness Winners on the back end (note I picked Shackford in the Preakness so no Johnny Come Lately)

3 of pick 6 one (TD) by two (Al and Gio) by two (Shack and AK)--the other races since I am in another airport waiting to go home and without a form but a good memory I haven't a pick yet for the middle races(will)

I really want to pick Straight Shot as a bomb because of the pace scenario I expect which will also hinder my 2 but can't because he just doesn't look good enough. These are not NYB's although he beat a very good but troubled trip horse last time

I have too much time on my hands but a medley of stars I can join you to the club (providing you are not really KY Vet)--read below

Someone always talks about posting their winners as proof sooo –I’m sorry I should stop as I promised

It is like a night I was leaving Meadowlands and a couple of large people I knew slipped in the doorway and I couldn’t resist yelling –Track- Track riders avoid the fallen horses on the clubhouse turn--- before I helped one get up—

Was it something I shouldn't have done? Absolutely--but I couldn't resist.

I guess you had to be there—I have a weird stream of conscience

------------Master of Hounds wins--------------- with Nehro right behind him. Animal Kindom picks up Show.

Draynay----------- 08 Jun 2011 7:02 PM---------------

Sway Away is your Preakness winner. His ride last time out was wide and forced way too early. Watch it again. He has had 3 very good 6 furlong works and should come in razor sharp. Gomez can only help his chances. I will put Sway Away first and 2nd and box him with these four horses. MMM, Dance City, Astrology, and Animal Kingdom. Good luck to all.

Draynay ----------21 May 2011 12:44 AM-------------------

Shackleford ? Jayjay you have to be kidding.

Draynay-------------- 21 May 2011 4:17 AM-------------------

Shackleford did it. Now come see my boy---- Nehro--------- in the Belmont. Good call jumping off Dialed In Jayjay it took guts to jump off a closer for a speed horse that failed to hold last time out. --------------------------------------Off to Belmont and-------------- Nehro !!!!----------------------

Draynay------------- 21 May 2011 7:36 PM---------------------

Consistent on his selections isn't he --I NEVER tout a horse I am not betting

Someone wrote this

Boasting about someone making a mistake rather than what you did right??? Get a job with FOX

My early pick to get back to horse racing is------ Shackleford----- for the Preakness but that can change and he hasn't even made the gate yet--It's Friday the 13th not the 21st of May

sniper1 ----13 May--- 2011 4:27 PM

Too Long for Live Blog

My challenge to the Dray and Vet

Beat this

Quite, unlike the KY Derby, where it remained to be seen on horses trying dirt-how the CA and other states form would hold up and many other factors we have a horse that won the Derby in fairly impressive fashion and could be any kind.

We also have a few that might improve off their showing in the Derby due to lay-offs more than the norm to go 1 ¼ miles.

Since the Derby winner probably won’t give the value in straight betting I will probably try a small -----------------wager on Shackleford----------- guessing he can lay off the pace a touch---All the talk about riders and Borel Factors forgets that a few big name riders mentioned that Jesus Castanon of their peers is one of the most underrated riders in the country. At 10-1 or more he may be the value—he has only run one bad race and really wasn’t beaten that far on the Derby and may have been best in FL.

Although like the Derby I am hardly solid--BUT--I do like my chances much better in this event than KY.

sniper1 20 May 2011 12:23 PM

SNIPER!!I'M SORRY, BUT WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT ANY OF THOSE HORSES NEEDED THE RACE? IT'S THE KENTUCKY DERBY!!! I HEAR THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY YOU PEOPLE!!! 2 PREPS NOT ENOUGH!! BLAH BLAH....THESE HORSES ARE IN SHAPE!!! GEEZ!!! YOU ACTUALLY WANT 5 WEEKS OFF OR SO....YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE ALL OF THESE OLD SAYINGS. LIKE IF A HORSE FROM SOMEWHERE, IT MEANS THEY ARE ALL GOOD FROM THERE? SO TP IS THE BEST HORSES? OR..SUPED UP TRACKS...YOU BELIEVE ALOT IN BIASES...SO, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, YOU LIKE SPEED HORSES?..DOESNT 1 SPEED USUALLY KILL OFF OTHER SPEED? THIS SEEMS DOOMED TO FAIL...SAVE YOUR MONEY....THIS PACE WILL BE VERY FAST!! THEY ARE GONNA LET FLASHPOINT FLY....

KY VET 20 May 2011 5:03 PM Maybe AAF too???

Seems KY Vet disappeared when you/ AAF appeared

Now my Belmont picks which honestly are somewhat chalky so it probably isn’t a good race to bet much on

Key AK and Shack

Over

AK, Shack, Brilliant Speed, and Nethro---$12 Total

it’s only going to pay $60 or $70 IF IT HITS --maybe over $100 if Bril Speed cracks it--better races to bet

All 3/2? of you fit a famous quote made at the Oscars by David Niven years back when a streaker run by on stage

---I have never seen someone so proud of so little-----

I'll quote Winston Churchill later when it fits better

Another stupid thought is Dray a night security guard? All of his posts seem to be in the AM in the middle of the night? Just thinking out loud.

Good luck to all and AAF if you get Stay Thirsty down you deserve kudos--I would never knock a person with a different thought if their horse is 20-1.

Dray although I take shots I hope you kill and make thousands and the races I am not cashing on since we ARE NOT of the same mind--and if my picks don't show up--I hope yours and others do

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AfleetAlexForever — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:46:35 GMT

Sniper its like you know me, is this an alias of yours, do you really post at NTRA and run with the girls over there, you know the usual suspects, Lazmannic the leader of the group, with Mike Relva and Phony. I think the current nickname for them is the Three Stooges I am sure you can get acceptance in the group, the only requirement is that you don’t know much about horse racing, check. You don’t have any original thoughts of your own, check, and you follow Lazmannic’s lead and agree with him no matter what he says even if you disagree. They travel in a band around the cyber world, Ntra, Bloodhorse, tbtimes and other sites making points about how great Cali racing is. As you see Laz has now annointed the ultra talented 2/3 this year Twirling Candy the best older male or well horse in the US right now off a victory in a 9f Grade 2 against an optional claimer type field. And it seems like well I think you probably agree with him right. Here’s what you may not know, I’ve touted Havre De Grace for quite a long time now, even when back with the underachieving Tony Dutrow who apparently didn’t have the ability to get the best out of her at 3. Different Trainer, different horse, she’s thriving, owned by a great man in Rick Porter of Fox Hill Farm, as seen by the statements made by Larry Jones, they wont sit on and sugar coat her year of racing to try to win year ending awards through the back door like others. I am glad to see they are playing some home court ball though in taking down the next two races at Delaware, its cool to lead her over out of her stall instead of shipping, she’s shipped more this year alone in the first few months than 1 horse we know of whole career. As for Chalk, let me see I touted her at 4/1 in the Alabama, or 4/1 in the BCLC, nothing at all like chalk in those races. But ok, you made a point I enjoy a horse that is 2 for 2 with a stakes record to her credit this year, do you have a point, do you want me to give you my personal fav in the Belmont Saturday in Stay Thirsty, or do you want me to give u savvy Supreme in the Acorn, or possibly Rule by night in the True North, or Justin Phillip in the Woody Stephens, or Amen hallelujah in the Just a Game, or better yet, Al Khali in the Manhattan considering Gio Ponti does not run well off layoffs. Use many of those choices in your Pick 4 or your exotics tickets, get back to me and let me know how things go. Or better yet the next time you address me, make sure you are actually talking about something instead of just blowing all of that hot air about nothing.

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Householder — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:52:39 GMT

Yes COIL should make a good accounting for himself on the stretch out and should have no distance problems. Baffert's plans are the Haskell. Like the Point Given colt.

He'll have to contend with Awesome Patriot who just nursed some speed around 1 1/8th and is now backing up a sixteenth for the Affirmed. I really hoped Baffert would have sent this one to the Belmont. I thought his running style was perfect. Probably more than a little light on graded stakes earnings though.

Remember those "gifted" Baffert three year olds Jason mentioned...

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Weekend — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:14:18 GMT

Here is one Sniper. COIL. He beat Smash last out and is racing this weekend. He may not be 12-1, but I think he wins at Hollywood.

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LAZMANNICK — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:50:27 GMT

AAF also likes Goldi......for now.

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sniper1 — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:39:24 GMT

AA Forever---The two yr old comment if you took it seriously you need your head read. Sarcasm sweetheart.XXX

My thing or point was really quite simple I trying to make--Did TC beat anybody important?--NO but why knock someone who thinks he has the capabilities to before it is proven he can't.

I smoke cigars and know them well do you have any idea how many people tell me Cubans are the best--yet they don't smoke and I have been to Cuba 3 times and they haven't--

Does it make someone look brilliant to state the obvious about horses?

A lot of people that never go to the races know Secretariat ---My God, they even made a bad, un-factual movie about him. Ask Mr.Haskin, if Lucien was anything like that---Some have actually met him and Turcotte. (and Ron's brother Noel also a jockey and John Fellie that was the contract bug rider and galloped the barn's horses---I don't think he made the picture or a jockey for long before he went back to MN)

Yes the Grace is unbeaten or tried this year--wow--good horse--brilliant --you are certainly alone in that opinion.---- Yeah right---

Maybe The filly Winter Memories might win some 3 yr old filly turf stakes this year---BOY-- WHOMEVER SAID THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE CURVE-tough one-- great prediction

Need I go on? Why not pick a horse IN FRONT OF THE CURVE AS I TRIED TO DO? If I need help picking 3-5's I look you up. Give me one in the Shackleford range of 12-1 or a lightly raced 3 colt or filly that is under the radar who will be a force later in the year besides Uncle Mo and right or wrong at least I will respect your opinion for thinking out of the box--NOT Harve will be tough in the filly and mare ranks this year-Really?-Gee thanks. I'll write it down. OH! Keep an eye on Blind Luck as well---thanks-- your the best!

Yeah-- You should picking on others with that wealth of knowledge you've shown

Anybody got an eraser to clean up the chalk everywhere???????

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LAZMANNICK — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:19:01 GMT

AAf at the Improv......comedy at its finest.

Thanks for the laughs Dubby. See you do have some use if only to fill a void. Only you can provide us with enough comedy to get by a slow night on TV.

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AfleetAlexForever — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:49:36 GMT

First let me address Little Buster, the only difference in the two races is that 1 was a Grade 1 at a historic track and one of the most prestigious races in the US, the other was that horses that ran in the Woodward were coming off Grade 1 victories in Bullsbay and Macho Again. Again the lack of literacy in this country is appalling, Little Buster you seem to be one that is more concerned with a horse taking on and beating alw/oc and nw/2 on a consistent basis, if that’s what you like so be it. But keep your naïve comments to a minimum, because 1 liners cause you to be laughed at and not taken seriously.

Sniper, what you’re asking me to do is pick and choose horses with zero starts for their career and figure out who will advance and move forward to races like the Champagne, Norfolk and then the BC Juvi. Possibly, I am not sure, because I’ll have to check the stupid meter, but that is quite possibly the most idiotic statement ever posted in a public forum. Its ranking right up there with the poster from TVG Community that states that Havre De Grace is overrated and that TC is in the Hunt for HOY. Worst of all you bring yourself under scrutiny when the post I made was directed to the supposed guru of the horse racing world Gunbuck or Gunbowed. A bit Vain are you Sniper, how about you give me the name of each starter that Ward has going at Ascot and let me know which race they are going in. Sometimes people like you should be paid for the comedy you bring to the site, statements like the one you made are classic. As for TC, let me revisit that, the horse won the allowance quality race in allowance quality time due to allowance quality race riding and Grade III handling, he breezed by them without effort. Again the field had 109 starts combined with 29 wins come on what did you expect, did you think he would lose, wake up folks. Bring him east let him finish up the track or become Rail Trip part Deux.

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ChalkBuster — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:20:11 GMT

Yea, this years Californian is strikingly similar to the 2009 Woodward. Nice catch AAF

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sniper1 — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:18:30 GMT

AfleetAlexForever

If you read my post I agree in principle the field wasn't too tough but the way he did it was. I'm still out until he wins in the east (God I can't believe I really said that--)

BUT!!!!!!!!

Am I alone in thinking that telling everyone a horse that is 4 for 4 with big beyers and 2 yr old of the year or a horse going for a 4th BC isn't telling everyone anything we already know or even to the dumbest casual horse racing fan?

As long as the statement is possible even unlikely why rip them? If it is really dumb go hit them and rip them apart---Twirling Candy was impressive and may continue to do well. So n so says blah blah blah is the greatest of all time---take them apart

Most who do that think Justin Timberlake is better than Frank Sinatra they just are in the here and now and no nothing about the past.

It is much more gratifying if they don't know and you are early on the band wagon of a rising star.

Give me the this years 2 yr old BC winner today and in Nov I would be very impressed.

I will go out on a limb---this year one of Ward's 2 yr olds will amazingly stretch out and win the 2 yr crown and Breeder's Cup after returning from England.

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LAZMANNICK — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:18:20 GMT

Jayjay

Dr. D and myself offer a nice service for free, guaranteed to analyze your horses before the race, not give you an in-depth analysys 48 hours later like someone else we all know.

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AfleetAlexForever — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:06:31 GMT

I appreciate that Footlick, I think or feel in my opinion its very unfair to great horses to have a disconnect due to location. I do take west coast racing to task a great deal because of the lack of depth throughout the divisions out there. But when we start to discount horses that ran over seas where the stamina influence is still #1 and top priority it detracts from the views that some have towards americans that can't comprehend what its like for horses to compete at 10-12 furlongs throughout the year, these are not easy tasks. Yes European racing is different as they usually canter along the first mile, or mile and 1/4 but the fact is the turn of foot thats needed to win at 12furlongs is the most impressive thing you'll ever see, not a horse winning on the front end or hanging on barely, and there certainly should be no supremecy felt due to the fact that american racing focuses solely on dirt. A great horse is a great horse Period, hands down. Zarkava was one of those that made you wake up and take notice, and for me to be up early on a Sunday Morning to watch the Arc, that was not something I took lightly. She was an amazing talent and was actually able to be allowed to show it on the track. Would have loved to have seen her at 4 but the ride she took us on was amazing while she was in training.

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Footlick — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 19:36:29 GMT

AAF- just wanted to say nice post about Zarkava on HRN. I don't comment there anymore but read the posts still, and since I am a fair minded person and have taken you to task before, I will also tell you when I agree. Great post about a great filly! Thanks

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AfleetAlexForever — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:40:51 GMT

Excuse my weariness, I guess I am amazed to see someone refer to the Californian field as Solid, this was the statement I believe. “the Californian field was solid but not outstanding, and Twirling Candy won by less than 2 lengths.”

You know they say opinions are like Well u know, and everyone has one and in this case the poster is as wrong as the day is long. Learning to read was easy for some of us, learning to read pps is apparently a bit more difficult. Look at this field.

Setsuko 1/12 lifetime, total earnings under $400k top win msw38k

Aggie engineer 7/19 lifetime, total earnings under $400k top win G2

Soul candy 4/14 life time, total earnings $300k, top win $150k stakes

Spurrier 5/30 life time, total earnings under $400k, top win g2

Honour the deputy 3/8 lifetime, total earnings under $100k, top win 25k Aoc

Victory pete 3/18 lifetime, total earnings under $250k, top win alw 55k/ nw2

TC 6/8 lifetime, total earnings under $600k, top win G1 sprint

109/29wins wow what a stellar group. 27% winning clip for that top California field of males running in the Californian. If that’s a solid field, there is a legitimate issue out west. Im just saying. Let me revise that, if you are under the impression that this field is deep or quality or even considered good, then i'd advise to find another sport to be a fan of. I don’t care who you are, you could be the president of the ntra or owner of a track, the truth is if you can't look at the pps and see this was barely an allowance group well you have to think to yourself, why don’t I have common sense.

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sniper1 — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 16:47:10 GMT

Bob--the joke was OK I just heard far too many in a short time.

And-- for my son's joke he didn't have a clue why it was funny which made it all the funnier.

I have been teaching him to read at night and not just pre-school books, sometimes we use Jay Leno's How to Be the Funniest Kid in the Whole Wide World which I saw in a used book store and purchased. It has a lot of knock knock jokes and ones he can remember and understand.

Hopefully he will tell clean jokes and not the off color ones and have the sarcastic humor of his dad.

Been around racetracks too long. I am the last of my family hopefully to take that path.

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Dr Drunkinbum — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:04:47 GMT

jayjay

If you like Stay Thirsty then include him in a box or do a seperate Win bet. You could very well be right. I'm not saying that it is out of the question. Pletcher has done well preparing horses for the Belmont. Of course Rags to Riches, but Dunkirk ran very well too, and he didn't do very well in The Derby.

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JayJay — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 07:35:03 GMT

Shhh...please don't wake up Draynay. It's understandable that the horses in the east bores him to sleep.

Thanks Dr. D and LAZ. I must say, I wasn't expecting that kind of response about Stay Thirsty but you both made very good points and I will keep them in mind. I'm still high on Shackleford, as I've said before "Da Tara" and he's a classy mean fighting machine, the horse never gives up. I really have to wait until race day to figure out where I'll play him. I'm on AK and MMM because of the distance. MMM will be a great value as I think Brilliant Speed will probably take some of the money as well. We all know Draynay will bet the farm on MoH and Nehro, plus his "table" will add another 100 tickets on each because they always listen to him. I'm gettin excited, it should be a great race.

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Bob from Boston — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 04:37:42 GMT

sniper1, I have no problem with your son's joke. In fact, I never did like Kermit the Frog. Now Miss Piggy... vaa vaa vaa voom! mz, I bow before your last post. And, unlike Draynay, I hope it isn't your last post

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Householder — Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:29:41 GMT

I think Baffert will ship out and take the Haskell for a second straight year with one of his talented 3 year olds. Lookin forward to the Point Given colt COIL in this Saturday's Affirmed.

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Mike Relva — Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:58:41 GMT

Read the news regarding Sidney's Candy transferred to Pletchers barn. I feel sorry for him.

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sniper1 — Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:16:01 GMT

House--First-- he didn't pick NP

Second--Chances are those two will NOT meet up against each other unless at 7 @ Saratoga which is very very unlikely.

Although Twirling Candy is a very nice horse and may prove to special at some time in the future, the horses he beat are not about to be remembered by horse racing fans except their owners. He has much to prove

Excerpt From my post a few above.

I saw a 3yr old beat a very mediocre group ON SYNTHETIC but still was awed on how easily he did it.

Maybe you should say the same until proven.

Bob---- Weiner jokes-Really?

My son who is 4 yrs old came home with this one which beats yours and not a Weiner joke but is in the same mode.

IF YOU HAVE TWO GREEN BALLS ONE IN EACH--- YOUR RIGHT AND LEFT HAND---

WHAT DO YOU HAVE?????????????

KERMIT'S UNDIVIDED ATTENTION