Coil About Ready to Strike

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mr pibb — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:39:18 GMT

draynay, best stick to betting the chalk. At least you win 1 out of 15 then. See what happens when you pick an Equestrio? 9th place finish. Nice pick!!

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tcc — Sat, 18 Jun 2011 05:21:56 GMT

Jason:

After bleeding in the Kentucky Derby, Pants on Fire is scheduled to run in the Pegasus, at Monmouth on 6-18, race# 10, as a prep for the Haskell.

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Footlick — Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:37:20 GMT

Thanks Laz.

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LAZMANNICK — Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:34:22 GMT

Footlick

I always value your opinions much more so than most.

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Footlick — Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:16:47 GMT

I didn't want to come off like I didn't want any comments. Just that I probably won't respond to them. But comment all you want if you want. Sorry for how the last part of my post sounded.

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Footlick — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:24:37 GMT

2:24- we each have our own opinion. If Goldikova was giving away the amounts of weight that Forego, John Henry and Kelso were, I would give more credence to the longevity, because giving away huge amounts of weight to top talent played a big part in all three of their legends. But Goldikova is not giving weight. And that Paco Boy was giving her weight all last year and just missing tells me alot. Would you consider him one of the all-time great milers? She is great, but just because she has run longer should not peanalize the more brilliant fillies/mares who have run before her but did not have her longevity. But, it is just my opinion and I really don't want to prolong this as I know my opinion is not the popular one and I really don't want to keep trying to defend my stance.

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LAZMANNICK — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:02:51 GMT

2:24

I also forget to mention that when Citation came back at five after a 13 months layoff, he won his first race back which was the 16th win in his 16 consecutive win streak.

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LAZMANNICK — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:59:56 GMT

2:24

I agree, longevity has to count for something, as long as you continue to win.

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2:24 — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:51:52 GMT

Footlick - not trying to open up a can of worms either but I think longevity is certainly a factor in considering a horse's greatness. Horses such as Kelso, Forego and John Henry were brilliant many different years but their longevity bumps them up a notch on all time lists, in my opinion. And I think rightfully so. Now, I was probably pushing it when comparing Goldikova to Brigadier Gerard. But, in my opinion, her longevity should be a plus factor in her rating, especially because she consistently runs against top-flight competition.

I think you can also argue that staying around and not matching your initial brilliance can hurt your legacy. Take Citation for instance. He is pretty much recognized as the 3rd best North American horse of all time. If he retires after his three year old season and doesn't come back at five after injury to lose three times to Noor, it would have been tough to argue that he wasn't the greatest of all time. Some people believe that is true anyway and his 5 year old campaign was still excellent.

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Householder — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:50:15 GMT

Coil...He was my top pick before the Derby. I hope Baffert ships to the Haskell. Point Given was meant to go long!

Another promising 3 year old is Sarah's Secret a half sister to Animal Kingdom. Kathy Walsh had her where she should be, on the turf, in the Honeymoon Handicap on the stretch out. She's undefeated.

How about this Vanity? I seem to recall Blind Luck winning the Hollywood Starlet by 7 and Switch giving Zenyatta's camp some fits over that surface.

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Mary Zinke — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:22:58 GMT

If I picked Equestrio over Giant Oak, I might add Duke Of Mischief and Mission Impazible to round out my top four. Instead, I'm going with Apart, Mission Impazible, Giant Oak. Good luck to Equestrio. I hope he doesn't drift out, putting it mildly, and cause an accident.

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Footlick — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:54:10 GMT

Ranagulzion- I don't want to open a can of worms about Goldikova. I feel she is great, but her longevity has made her legend. I cannot put her as an all-time great based on longevity. I can say she is a great filly/mare. But if you had to use Paco Boy s a yardstick, she would fall well short. Just my opinion.

On Frankel- it will be interesting to see if they really will stretch him out this year, or if they will point him to the Sussex and meet Canford Cliffs and hopefully Goldikova. If they let him run next year, they can stretch him out then.

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Draynay — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:02:23 GMT

Laz, lol. I am still licking my wounds from Saturday. However, I feel Regal Ransom is a bad bet for the win here. Regal had a dream trip last time out and is 0 for 3 at Churchill. Equestrio has a win at Churchill and has only raced 7 times so he is still improving. His first race at 1 1/8th was a winner and I expect him to improve 2nd off the layoff and with a move forward he should be tough to handle down the lane. Will Giant Oak catch him ? Maybe if he is focused but the horse seems to be wondering a bit lately. I should get 10 to 1 on a horse that finished behind Regal Ransom by 10 inches last time out.

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Ranagulzion — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:55:31 GMT

Dr Drunkinbum,

You guessed it right. The connections of Trappe Shot will not want to face Big Drama or The Factor at six furlongs and they'll be hoping that Tizway goes to the Breeder's Cup Classic instead of the Dirt Mile. They'll still have their hands full trying to cope with Sidney's Candy although the latter could head for a rematch with Goldi on the turf. Interesting days ahead my friend.

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LAZMANNICK — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:59:43 GMT

Draynay

After your disasterous day at Belmont on Saturday, do you want some of us to lend you some money so you can make that bet?

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Dr Drunkinbum — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:26:56 GMT

Ranulgulzion

I guess that means you think Trappe Shot will run in the BC dirt mile.

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Draynay — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:37:10 GMT

Equestrio wins by a nose over a hard charging Giant Oak.

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Carlos in Cali — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:58 GMT

Dr.Drunkinbum

Thanks for the info regarding First Dude.I agree with your post on 15 June 2011 8:41pm.Good stuff.

Ranagulzion

Thanks for the info regarding Bind,too-too bad! He must've got injured during his last race on Derby Day when Rosie practically had her feet on the brakes throughout... I hate it when they choke the run out of horses like that.

Stephen Foster: I'll play the longshot Worldly across the board,maybe he's finally turned the corner and will now live-up to his pedigree.He's in light and has multiple wins @ that track,so I'll also play him w/Giant Oak & the Zito horse(forgot his name).

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Dr Drunkinbum — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:10:00 GMT

Ranagulzion

Very good point. The dynamics in the race will be very interesting to watch. My Setsuko is in there too so I say beware of the Chantal. All I ask for is a fair, safe race with no steward decision needed. It's good to see First Dude doing so well and I think he wil continue to be a formidable opponent. AW isn't dirt so I don't know what the Gold Cup will tell us about the Classic but I kind of hope TC is the BC favorite. So far I have no idea what will happen in the Gold Cup but it won't break my heart if TC wins it just for future betting purposes.

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LAZMANNICK — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:03:28 GMT

Someday your cup myight come, but will it ever runneth over.

Boston is the new city of champions with the Patriots, Red Sox, Celtics and now the Bruins all winning the big one at least once in the past decade.

Oh well, at least Toronto did host a G20 Summit. Boston never did.

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Ranagulzion — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:56:50 GMT

Footlick,

I agree that Goldi shouldn't be compared with Brigadier Gerard and Mill Reef but not because she's any less of an all time great.

It will be very interesting to me to see Frankel go 10 furlongs. he's an exciting colt.

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Ranagulzion — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:52:54 GMT

Dr Drunkinbum & Carlos in Cali,

It looks as if Bob Baffert is once again out to tag team Twirling Candy in the Hollywood Gold Cup by sending the two "Dudes" to that race. It will be very interesting to see how TC copes with them this time around. First Dude will definitely put up a more formidable challenge than in the Santa Anita Handicap and Game On Dude will be as tough as nails.

Bind is reportedly injured and out for the remainder of the season. I fancy Dialed In to be stronger in the second half of the season along with Animal Kingdom and Shackleford.

The sprint division is going to really get hot with the likes of big bad Big Drama, Noble's Promise and the 3YOs, The Factor and Flashpoint.

Duke Of Mischief is my firm selection for the Stephen Foster.

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Footlick — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:31:12 GMT

So You Think's race was very similar to Frankel's, except Frankel won. They are both very pacey horses, but their connections had rabbits entered for both. Both horses made premature moves in the race as a result of the use of a pacemaker. Both didn't finish as strongly as you would have liked to see. So You Think's former connections could not understand the use of a rabbit as they said he doesn't need one. I think Frankel's connections wanted to see if he would rate behind horses, so they wanted to ensure a strong pace. The problem with that is horses like Frankel and So You Think seem to want to be close to the pace, so eventually they will start pulling to go up with the leader. I think Frankel would have been better served without the pacemaker. So You Think as well.

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LAZMANNICK — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 04:35:28 GMT

2:24

Goldi is great for sure. Just to be considered in the same breath as Brigader Gerrard and Mill Reef say loads.

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Splits of 12 — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 04:13:18 GMT

Coil looked very good winning the Affirmed Handicap at Hollywood Park last weekend. He could be a star on the rise. In his previous race where he shot off like a cannon, and won by 5+ lengths he looked like something special. I must say it left me quite impressed. Besides perhaps Trappe Shot, Coil was the easiest single all weekend. He beat a nice horse in Runflatout. I think Baffert should run him next in the Swaps rather than the Dwyer. There's no need to ship him back east for a one-turn race. I think he'll get more out of the 9f of the Swaps. Hell then have three weeks til the Haskell, which should leave him primed for a

big run at the million dollar purse. Watch out for Jaycito! This Runnymede Farm bred son of Victory Gallop is one tough hombre. His dam Night Edition is a massive horse who just foaled a Proud Citizen filly. I forsee Jaycito having a big second half of the year. Especially since he didn't have to go through the rigors of the Triple Crown. I think he will be a sleeper and could also blossom into a very nice older handicap horse when he turns four. Only time will tell but it looks like Baffert has a couple of loaded guns in Coil and Jaycito.