Upon Further Review...

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SlewFan — Thu, 01 May 2008 18:10:48 GMT

Hey, Slew'em'all, If B.B. is the second coming of Foolish Pleasure that's not so bad. Foolish Pleasure did win the derby and ran the greatest filly ever into the ground. Noone else could run with her, but he did. I doubt B.B. is that good.

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SlewFan — Thu, 01 May 2008 18:04:49 GMT

I think Pyro will do much better in the derby than he did in the Bluegrass. Anything on polytrack, or whatever you call the stuff, you can not take seriously. It's an unnatural surface, and horses aren't bred to run on this stuff. That's why some do well and some don't. Do not worry about Pyro, he will be back to himself on the dirt, you'll see. Whether he's good enough to win, don't know, but he will put in a much better performance than what you saw at Keenland because he's a better horse than that.

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Slew.em.All — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:02:54 GMT

Thx for that side-note Phileboy: If true,that just confirms my long disdain for Dutrow Jr!..What trainer/owner Doesn't bet on their horses? They ALL do!..but to Brag&Boast about "how much" they bet/won is tacky,tacky,tacky..hard to phathom he's related to the other classy Dutrow Horsemen.I'm Hoping the t.v coverage for the Derby keeps an Iso. shot of him when BB wilts in the stretch.lol.. Well,if the name fits?...

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Slew.em.All — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:41:40 GMT

Make their Browneye Blue draynot!..LMAO,thats exactly what I'm talkin' about.

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draynot — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:31:31 GMT

Imma gonna winna bigga bucks againsta Big Browneye. No way this inexperienced pup wins. He beat nothing on a huge speed favoring track under no pressure at all. If he was the second coming the Beyer would have been 112-115. I see a regression back to a 92-97 Beyer and an outta the bucksa finish. Show me the money!!!! His inexperience will show through when he gets pushed bumped and pushed around. I'mma waitin for the odds and post positions b4 I choose the winner but it darn well won't be Browneye.

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Phileboy — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:18:24 GMT

For those already aboard the Big Brown train, there is perhaps a small note of encouragement in so much as in today's New York Times, *** Dutrow, the trainer, confides to Joe Drape, the writer of the piece, how he plans on making a big bet on his horse to win the Derby. This is somewhat significant, I suppose, in so much as Dutrow similarly confided in Monday's paper to the same writer that in the Breeders Cup (2005), he bet $160,000 to win on Saint Liam, another horse he had trained, netting him a PROFIT of $384Gs, or thereabouts. (He won the race by a length and paid $6.80.) There might be a small cautionary note here, that being that Big Brown certainly won't know and won't care that Dutrow is betting on him.

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Slew.em.All — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:12:04 GMT

hey dotcom,"really"!..we shall see..Pyro & Col.John pretenders?come on!..Recapturetheglory? 1 hit wonder!...Behindthebar? couldn't even win at Bay Meadows,he's a synthetic horse...BB and Rtg will finish back-to-back..in 10th & 11th place!...It seems you are easily swayed by "impressive looking" performances.But I would look at the Big picture; Tough,hard-knocking,consistent & versatile types like Pyro,Col.John,CCM,Court Vision and maybe even Visionaire.Not one-dimensional types like BB & Rtg,who I feel will run each other into the ground,not to mention BBJ with his Cali.speed(hope he gets in).Therefore I'm hoping L.Jones comes to his senses & runs his fillies in the Oaks,where they will fair much better.They're not even the 2 best fillies.(talk about derby fever! me thinks he's still sour about Hard Spun)..and watch-out for Adriano,he's my Sleeper horse!..BB & Rtg,I feel,ran their Derby race in their last starts,because they both HAD to-win-to-get-in,and might have peaked too soon!..this is just 1 Dude's opinions in his 32yrs. of thoroughbred encased blissfulness.(thx Pops,R.I.P!)btw..I'm "only" 37.lol...to each his own people..Late!

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jshandler — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:29:31 GMT

Precisionist: Thanks. I know a 5-horse box isnt akways ideal. But in that kind of race, with a lot of longshots, I thought it was the way to go.

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dotcom — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:56:24 GMT

hey slew em all, BB is going to demolish the field...this derby is full of pretenders including colonel john and pyro...Recapturetheglory ran huge and is my exacta horse with visionaire and behindatthebar...That Field bet in KDFW pool 1 is looking good at 3-1 right now

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Precisionist — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:53:31 GMT

JS - A little shout out for your Blue Grass score, but playing a 5 horse ex box? Kinda cuts into your R.O.I., doesn't it? 8-1 post time odds on Monba + underlay $135 ex payoff showed there were a lot others cashing as well.

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Johnny — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:06:55 GMT

I've always liked Court Vision and with War Pass on the shelf, and Tomcito without the earnings, I have to decide on my #1 Derby horse all over again. There are a number of others that I'm fond of including Court Vision, Recapturetheglory, Colonel John and Eight Belles, if she goes. I have also become endeared to Pyro.

Recapturetheglory looks to be the pacesetter. He might have some company if Bob Black Jack shows up and Big Brown also wants to mix it up early. They've all shown they can carry their speed, but none of them have ever gone 10 furlongs. If they wear each other out, the others will be ready to pounce.

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racetrack — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:10:30 GMT

All that I here is Synthetic Track.The track is still 80% sand.That is about the same as any Dirt

track anywhere.Check them out.

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Phileboy — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:24:17 GMT

We start with the immutable fact that Big Brown's prep race in the Florida Derby was THE most impressive this year. Racing from the 12-hole, with only two prior starts, he nearly set a stakes record. However, a bit of recent and not-so-recent history is in order. First, two words: "Bellamy Road." He popped a 119 Beyer in the Wood and was being fitted for coronation, but fizzled in Kentucky. Second, no horse KD winner since 1915 (Regret, a filly) has won the Roses off only three prior races. There was a pretty good horse last year who was tried -- Curlin -- who he could only manage third, albeit with a bad trip. The hidden horse here is . . . Court Vision. Too slow? So was Sea Hero, in 1993. (I'm smilling just remembering it!) In both of Court Vision's two preps this year, he made up a ton of ground late, while racing very wide. And in the first of those races, the Fountain of Youth, at Gulfstreatm, NOBODY closed, except him. He followed that up in the Wood, when he missed all the marbles by 1-1/2, when he certainly didn't need the earnings, but needed the conditioning. Need more? (1) He's one of few to have won at Churchill (in last year's Iriquois, a gutsy performance you can see for free on the bloodhorse.com); (2) Garrett Gomez is a Big Money jock -- and he had other options for the race; (3) he worked SUPER on the track this week (4-f 46.1 breezing); (4) he's getting blinkers for the first time; (5) pedigree says "yes" to distance; (5) Bill Mott isn't in the Hall of Fame by accident; (6) he'll be 15-1 or better. I see him sitting on a big, big race. I do have great respect for H.G. Motion and since Adriano (who finished 9th in the Fountain of Youth at Gulfstream from the 12 post, in which Court Vision ran third) ran a beautiful prep and Prado is a plus, I'll save with him for the win. I'll probably also use Big Brown defensively (in case he turns out to be the second coming of Foolish Pleasure) and Smooth Air, in the exotics, too. Good luck to all! -- Philip

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Slew.em.All — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:46:19 GMT

Big Brown will NOT win the Derby,even with War Pass out of the mix.Save yourselves some Grief,Heartache & money people.Do you honestly believe he can win with Only 3 starts?..nope!..Toss him Out! Especially as a short priced favorite.Look elsewhere for a winner..Mark my words:BB will give up the Ghost at the top of the stretch!..There's plenty of value in others.

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Billy D. — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:13:22 GMT

I guess with War Pass's defection from the Derby he inadvertanly saved his supporters a lot of $$$. War Pass wasn't going to win the Derby anyway, let alone hit the board. I told everyone before, his breeding suggests speed, he's a miler at best.