Five Under the Radar Derby Hopefuls

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KY VET — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:02:34 GMT

HOPE HOUSE AND APPLE ARE RIGHT! 150 at 17 to 1!!!!!!!!!! creative cause!

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Forbidden Apple — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:59:31 GMT

The San Felipe effort by Creative Cause was impressive and he will only be sharper for the SA Derby. Even when he went very wide, he looked like he was going to win. Then he drifted and was a bit green, but he took off after the wire. Creative Cause will only improve as the distance of his races increase.

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Householder — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 00:54:59 GMT

Creative Cause owns this Derby at longer. Good Luck Union Rags.

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CHIEF PICAWINNA — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:32:13 GMT

KY Vet you speak the truth paleface,one of the reasons most horses are running hurt in the US is the hard ground they train and run over.Most horses are used to running on grassy surfaces,except those that come from areas such as deserts etc.

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Karen in Texas — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:56:49 GMT

Today HRN reports Fed Biz is now going to the Wood Memorial, not the Sunland Derby. (?)

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Forbidden Apple — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:58:34 GMT

Bodemeister seems talented, but this is not a maiden field that he is facing. Creative cause is the horse to beat, I'll just be watching at 5/2 ml odds.

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Dave R. — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:36:53 GMT

Ever So Lucky my pick to win the Swale by open lengths. Has class, speed, and could be stretched out in his next start.

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Dave R. — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:50:12 GMT

I also was very surprised that Thunder Moccasin was not in the Swale field. Pletcher has been saying for several weeks that he was pointing for that race. Strange. Not a word said.

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JayJay — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:41:13 GMT

Draynage : I think you either need glasses or you need to learn how to read :

" I'm going to let Bodemeister beat me. I think he'll probably end up as the mild favorite over Creative Cause .... "

That means I think Bodemeister will be the mild favorite, get it now ? Damn you're dense.

And yes, I do bet favorites but to prove I'm smarter than you, I don't bet favorites ALL the time. If you study the races, you'll find that favorites DO NOT come in all the time. It's common knowledge... but I guess for someone like you, it takes time. Rookie. LOL

How does it feel to be out of the closet ?? You.. you... Zenyatta fan you. :)

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predict — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 03:08:45 GMT

Someone already mentioned this Grade 1 winning as a two year old ,yet to be seen this year, but pointed for the Florida Derby, who will be dismissed as a sprinter, but is really just the perfect blend of stamina and speed; who?, why Currency Swap, flying under the radar and to another Grade 1 victory?- Can't wait!

Also, mentioned and flying way under the radar and probably running next in the Wood, this guy is a big grey beauty with natural race horse instincts, and the ability to throttle-up with push button accuracy; we haven't seen his best yet, but belongs with any horse out there when compared to those at top of most lists, with the perfect name for The Wood, looking forward to The Lumber Guy!

Coldfacts,

Loved your post about American Act and think he is defintely a good long shot play at what will probably be odds of 20-1 or a little greater.

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KY VET — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 00:22:22 GMT

Forbidden apple and everybody.....many of you say things like, only run a horse when they are sound...or that trainer runs hurt horses......please get this thru your head....MOST HORSES HAVE PROBLEMS.....who told you that they dont? Why do you think they run once a month? Alot of you still cant get this thru your head....they break their legs every time they run! tiny microfractures....bone chips in knees, ankles....they still run with these problems! Managing these problems, is the trainers job. And yes the faster, the more stress.......not hard to figure out what happens....

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KY VET — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 00:15:35 GMT

DRAYNAY! why wait a month? after you lose, we can do that day too....lets do this now.........

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Carlos in Cali — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:50:05 GMT

Prospective finally gets a ground saving post(1),so he's the one to beat along with Take Charge Indy who ran a good 2nd to El Padrino in his comeback.These 2 are the proven class of the field,I'll key them on top and use the improving Battle Hardened for third w/Cozzeti rounding-out the exotics. Because of the Pletcher-factor the unproven and hyped horse Spring Hill Farm will get overbet bigtime.I think he's up on the pace for 6f then throws-in the towel.

Speaking of Pletcher: Does anyone know why Thunder Moccasin is not going in the Swale?.. Injury or did they change their minds and will stretch him out for his next race?..

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KHATinAround — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:22:28 GMT

BTW, I vote that Draynay and KY VET handicap the race card for the first Sat in MAY @ Churchill. The biggest day in our sport, 2 professionals head to head, how exciting!

That way, we can watch all the races and maybe make a few $$ while we keep score...

Sorry but the opening day at Keeneland doesn't cut it for me.

Your thoughts?

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KHATinAround — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:13:40 GMT

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you will =)... wasn't Bejarano Liason's jockey? I see he has chosen to ride Bodemeister instead. Might want to re-think putting Liason over Bode. Bajarano may have a clue...

Is there any word out there on Declaration of War, Pletchers War Front colt, purchased and imported from France after 2 wins by ??? Repole? I had thought we would see him. He had dark horse written all over him.

My picks

TBD - Battle Hardened

Swale - Ever So Lucky

San Felipe - Bodemeister, Creative Cause, Midnight Transfer.

Fingers and toes crossed... KHAT

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El Kabong — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:04:18 GMT

Karen in Tx

AHHHAH! Sunland is it? Thanks for the inpho! It's off to get the whole enchilada and train up to the Derby or run in Bluegrass. I would love to see him go to the Bluegrass. Say what you will about Synthetics, but the horses come out of those races in pretty good shape and ready to run again much sooner than dirt. That would give him two 9Fs and in my mind, a great foundation to win the Derby.

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Forbidden Apple — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:43:43 GMT

I would not consider muscle cramping an injury, Fed Biz will be just fine in the Rebel or Sunland Derby. Sunland makes more sense to me, less travel time and free money.

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the_wiz — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:35:45 GMT

Jason, as one of the guilty ones who called you out for kissing up to Repole, I like Our Entourage as well. I'll make some money off him somewhere. I also like Howe Great as an overlooked talent. I'll cash on him later too.

"If I have to hear about one more Baffert horse I may get sick."

Draynay 07 Mar 2012 12:18 PM

Baffert horses, Baffert horses, Baffert horses, don't just dismiss them. I had to throw that in here because I'll jump at any chance to make draynay sick, lord knows he makes plenty of people sick with his juvenile comments.

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Rolling Thundar — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:14:22 GMT

Jason:: Once again, thanks for putting it in perspective. And I will go ahead and make the Wager. It's nobody's money but my own.

Draynay:: I would like to say that You too have Enlightened me within the Game. I can see that you Don't get much respect on here. But I would like to say, That how can people NOT respect the fact that You do Step Up to the Plate. Win or Lose, You put it out There. That does deserve respect.

KY Vet:: Yes YOU issused a challange. And Draynay has Answered. NOW it's Time to see if You Can Man Up. Draynay gave his assesment of the San Felipe, How about if You give Your assement of the Tampa Bay D, or the Swale S. and let us all see, Who has the better Picks.

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Draynay — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:47:18 GMT

Your going with Creative Cause the favorite jayjay? Wow. Great analysis I don't know what we do without you. Rookie.

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hopalong — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:56:58 GMT

Currency Swap soon.

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JayJay — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:10:44 GMT

LOL Laz, yeah it's fun playing master to the two puppets.

It's unfortunate that Fed Biz got hurt, hopefully it's nothing serious. Trainers always seem to downplay injuries then we come to find out later how bad it is. Hopefully Fed Biz does make the Rebel if he's fit but if BB has to wait until Sunland, that's fine too. If Feb Biz does make it to the Rebel, I wonder if Baffert takes Castaway somewhere else...

Now I'm all discombobulated, I'm going to let Bodemeister beat me. I think he'll probably end up as the mild favorite over Creative Cause but without Fed Biz, I'm going to have to go with the Harrington duo. I think CC will win this race easily over his stable mate. I'll probably use American Act, Rousing Sermon, Liaison and Bodemeister on the bottom. American Act went toe to toe with Drill and barely lost in that 7F race, I think he'll end up on the front with Bodemeister tracking him and ping ponging with him at the top of the stretch, then comes CC zzzzzzzzooooming by.

Draynay : This is the 2nd straight longshot pick in a california race from you. At least this time, it's not a 30-1 and the horse actually has a shot. You do know the San Felipe is run in California right ? AND Blingo is going to be 15-1 or higher ? AND he's trained by John Shireffs ?? AND ridden by Mike Smith ?? AND owned by Jerry and Ann Moss ?? I know you missed Zenyatta a lot... I always knew you're a fan of Zenyatta and her connections. The TRUTH comes out. You tried and tried and tried but I always knew you're a closet Zenyatta fan. How does it feel to be out of the closet ?? :)

Goodluck on Blingo, don't forget to post a pic of your WP bet on Blingo, and your group pic with Zenyatta's connections in the winning circle (if Blingo wins.)

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Ranagulzion — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:39:46 GMT

Bodemeister in the San Felipe means all others are running for minor placings. Midnight Transfer to fill the exacta spot.

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Matthew W — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 04:24:16 GMT

I too, think Baffert is late for the Derby--but he is loaded with three year old talent! Loaded!

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Matthew W — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:56:27 GMT

Bad post and all, Empire Way Sat, after Bodemiester turns back Creative Cause and the real racing begins--Empire Way, speed favoring track and all, this horse packs a huge finish!