Gotham Analysis and Selections

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Ann in Lexington — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:41:50 GMT

So can we please have a moratorium on "This horse (Mr. Fantasy or Dunkirk or whatever) is the second coming of Hindoo" after a maiden or n1x win? (For the uneducated, Hindoo won 18 in a row as a 3yo in 1881.)

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Jerry — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:23:32 GMT

Anybody know what happened to Ryehill Dreamer.....Looked for him to run in the SHAM or the San Felipe.......

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Robert H — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:43:31 GMT

Matt- I gladly exchanged pun with JS and took shots from him- and gave him some in return as it is all in good fun. You might want to learn something about being diplomatic when a conversation doesn't conern you, or when you want to jump in, don't pretend you know somebody and only read the words that please you- it doesn't make you any better and I believe it is your ego that needs feeding.

Had JS been right and Revenge was off the board- he could have in every right repeated what he said- the horse was too slow, Mr Slow if his name was Mr Revenge- that I have to explain all this to you is beyond kiddie league.

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slyder — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:04:20 GMT

mike relva,

mr. fantasy may not have won but I did take him all the way to the bank. I played a $6 super that cost me $48. IWR and Mr. F. over/IWR, Mr. F and IP over/the same over/ Masala and Axel Foley. It returned me 1,054.20 so i'm not complaining.

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Slew.em.All — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:17:06 GMT

How did this become a West Coast vs. Least..err..East Coast thing?.

Look,there's Always going to be that East Coast Bias angle regarding horse racing or any sport for that matter.Those Yankees have remained sour ever since Swaps whipped their Wonder horse. It's in their DNA!..and our weather is a whole lot better too. Jealousy has reared it's ugly head again. lol

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Householder — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 06:16:10 GMT

The Wood looks pretty dead as far as Debry Winners. We have Fusaichi Pegasus who won the San Felipe before shipping in. Sounds like a good angle. Santa Anita to the Wood onto win the Derby.

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KyLou — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:57:58 GMT

Matthew W

got the DI from Bloodhorse pedigree. SO much for that. We will see on durby day Mr Fan still has a good chane to be there, Maybe.

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Householder — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:30:11 GMT

Sorry JASON you don't get to put an asterisk by Giacomo. We don't want to go down the "Lil E Tee" road and say how many derby winners were "flukes." The "flukes" far out number the favorites on derby day. Besides it was not too long ago that everyone put a line through the Wood Memorial Winner. In the past 20 years how many winners has that produced? 2005 my man that's hardly a drought and now we have "magic dirt."

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Mike Relva — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:27:42 GMT

TO SLYDER:

What were you saying days ago about "taking it to the bank on Mr. Fantasy" ? Guess that didn't work out,like Haynesfield didn't for me!

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Matthew W — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:37:39 GMT

Robert--No, calling the losing horse "Mr Fade", to pump your ego up--IS BUSH-LEAGUE all the way! Ya thought I meant W? No, guy, I meant getting mileage outta rubbing people's noses in it--is BUSH! Get it now?

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nickie — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:35:06 GMT

that's why we got Pari mutuel system[the French gave us something besides good wine]...inner dirt winner going forward to main track, we'll see...but I for one want no part in what will surely be an underlay @ 5/2! The race looked like a 2 speed number to me...the chart bears this out. Shug's runner will move forward off his race. In my opine, FOY[although one turn] got my attention...Gotham...not so much.

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Gary — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:00:58 GMT

Revenge ran a very nice race and the others are all second level horse’s. A lot of people will be adding I Want Revenge to their dirty list.

I hate to bring up old news but Curlin didn’t take hold of the track in the Derby until the 1/8th pole, and if he did and he had a better rider we would have had the 12th Triple Crown Winner. Curlin was spinning his wheels til the 1/8 pole and Robby “Plate in the Head” Albarado didn’t give Curlin the best of rides in most of his races and still won. Curlin had to be on the outside of horses, just look at the Belmont, if Curlin was on the outside he beats Rags, same with Brown, I think they were both rail-a-phobic.

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Jason Shandler — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:35:34 GMT

GunBow: There is one California winner in that whole group you mentioned, and he was a fluke. I don't care about 2nd, 3rd or 4th place finishes. Give me winners.

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Alan — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:15:06 GMT

If there are any silver-linings to Mr. Fantasy's performance, one would be he knocked almost a second off his time from the previous race at the same distance (that he won by 8 1/2 lengths). Another would be he was facing stakes horses for the first time and beat 4 of the 5 in the field. I Want Revenge had run in 2 prominant stakes races prior to this one, finishing 3rd and 2nd, and Mr. Fantasy took him to task for most of the race. It was the first time Mr. Fantasy was seriously challenged and maybe we can chalk this one up to a learning experience. Remember, Curlin finished 3rd in the Derby when facing Street Sense and hard Spun for the first time. Plus, I Want Revenge ran a ridiculously fast time yesterday, way above anything else he's ever done (granted, it was his first race on dirt and perhaps he really is THAT GOOD, but I doubt it). Finally, the horses are going to meet again in the $750,000 Wood Memorial on April 4th. Hopefully, Mr. Fantasy can get his revenge against I Want Revenge.

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slyder — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:43:15 GMT

draynay,

Why aren't you bashing your Imperial Council all over for running such slow fractions? Does it only apply when it's not your pick? What a hypocrite.

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gw_bushwacker — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:41:07 GMT

Slew Em All,

IC was running at the end because he did no running in the first mile at all. A 1:38 and change mile is crawling just ask draynay. If he makes it to the Derby and runs those type of fractions he's got no chance. In fact I Want Revenge finished just as fast in his last 1/4 as IC and maybe a tick faster.

SA Oaks:

Stardom Bound lost some luster and I wonder if they will re-think her options. Sure she was 4 wide leaving the stretch (see drf chart)but so was Third Dawn (who was bumped around in deep stretch) and Nan had to wait in mid-stretch while boxed in and would have won by open lengths if not for that. It was a gutsy performance by Stardom Bound who refused to lose but in reality she was clearly not the only horse who had trouble, others had just as much or more. A true champion finds a way to win and nobody can take that away from her. Hey maybe we should all blame the jock for making the race so close. Isn't that how it usually goes when things don't turn out as expected?

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GunBow — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 07:32:53 GMT

Jason: Looong time since a California horses ran well in Kentucky?? 2005(Giacomo). And Brother Derek's 4th in 2006 was actually quite remarkable.

Lion Heart and Imperialism 2nd and 3rd in 2004.

Peace Rules wintered in Cali before shipping to win the Lousisana Derby and Blue Grass and then run 3rd in the Derby in 2003.

Proud Citizen ran poorly in the SA Derby, won the Lexington and ran 2nd in Kentucky in 2002.

Congaree won an allowance at Santa Anita, shipped to NYC and won the Wood and then ran 3rd in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness while Santa Anita Derby winner Point Given took the Preakness and Belmont.

Horses that wintered in California won every Derby from 1996 through 2000: Silver Charm, Real Quiet, and Charismatic all ran in the Santa Anita Derby. In 2000, Fusaichi Pegasus won the San Felipe and then shipped to take down the Wood before his score in Kentucky. And Grindstone, the 96' Kentucky Derby winner, went through his conditions in Calfornia during the winter before shipping out to win the Lousiana Derby and running 2nd in Arkansas. And the horse who ran 2nd to Grindstone in Kentucky was Santa Anita Derby winner Cavonnier.

Considering that California horses make up about 25% or less of any Kentucky Derby field, I'd say that the above list of accomplishments is fairly solid. The poor record of California horses the last 3 years reminds me of the period 1990-1995, when the best finish by a Cali horse was Best Pal's 2nd in 91'. Of course, right before that period, Cali horses had won the previous 4 Derbys(Ferdinand, Alysheba,Winning Colors,Sunday Silence).

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Jason Shandler — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:05:19 GMT

It was all in good fun Robert. I dont take it too seriously. Again, nice job on your hit. There are 4 to 'cap next weekend. Looking forward to breaking those down next week.

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Draynay — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:52:56 GMT

Robert I give you credit and you helped me hit a 50 dollar Exacta. Your revolving speeches got me thinking and I emailed Jason last night that I was going to box I Want Revenge with Imperial Council. That ticket and Ah Day are the only two I cashed all day and turned a negative day into a positive day. Thank you and I look forward to the two of them meeting again in the Wood. I have a feeling it will be a much different race.

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Robert H — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:35:41 GMT

JS- My friend- cocky was when you said I should save my money betting on Revenge and take my wife to dinner. Saying that Mr F has no chance in the Wood isn't being cocky- HE DOESNT!

As I said before- I look at Revenge and see his Hollywood races- the only surface that was similar to dirt and that he took well to- you can see whatever you like in regards to his first win.

You can keep Mr. Fantasy all year after that fade he did in the stretch. He quit badly today and showed that when he is engaged- he can't handle it right now.

Please bet everything you have on him if he runs in the Wood- there is no way in hell he is winning it.

THE BEST he could do is something like the Peter Pan Stakes against minor horses in the future.

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Robert H — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:23:37 GMT

"MR FADE" is BUSH! Act like you've been there before!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Matt- Bush has what to do with anything I posted? Take your medication before you post next time you throw something my way! When JS said I could take my wife out to dinner instead of throwing away the money (Large Win bet on Revenge) I took it in good fun and answered in kind. Your post complaining on what I said after the race is hilarious- like you loving the 2-5 shot that was all out to beat a weak field in the Oaks.

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craftylord — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:29:19 GMT

Lost in the shuffle & awe-inspiring performance by I Want Revenge...Imperial Council! This horse keeps doing better and better things EVERY time he runs! Watch Prado jump back on this horse and keep him closer to the pace. Read Maragh's comments:

Sequoia Racing’s Imperial Council, a son of Empire Maker trained by Shug McGaughey, also turned in a good effort in his first graded stakes test and first try around two turns.

“This is a really talented horse that is going to appreciate more distance,” said Maragh, who rode Imperial Council for the first time. "He’s the best 3-year-old I’ve ridden in New York. He galloped out tremendous.”

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Matthew W — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:58:06 GMT

"MR FADE" is BUSH! Your horse won--good for you! But this is horse racing my friend, 'taint no one here or anywhere that thinks you have been right all the time--you won, that's all! I Want Revenge won the race--act like you've been there before!

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Matthew W — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:54:44 GMT

Frankel is right! Frankel is a true horseman---MAYBE she can beat males...but who needs to know/it's not right to send her v males...no way does she catch Pamplemousse at Santa Anita--NO WAY! DOESN'T increase her value one penny--don't do it....let Stardom Bound and Zenyatta inhale the fillies and mares--cuz that's what they are! By the looks of things, Stardom Bound will have plenty of tough races v her own sex...anyway the boys are NICE this year! I Want Revenge looked a nice horse in the eye today--at HIS place/first time dirt--Jeff Mullins has a Derby horse, no doubt! Thy NY bred lost his get'up'n'go at the 3/16 pole--he does not look like a two turn horse as he lost it right away as they straightened out--unless he bled, he's probably a one turn horse but a nice one....

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AnneM — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:48:46 GMT

I seem to have been forgotten.

A couple of days ago - I said on this blog that I Want Revenge was the best and he would win -

He was and he did...

West coast horses shouldn't be considered 2nd class...