Quality Road Quarter Crack Throws Off Everything

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CURLINLOVER — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:36:13 GMT

Watch Pioneer Of The Nile win the DERBY and the triple crown, Draynay! Wouldn't that ruin your day? I was on Quality Road's bandwagon, too! Too bad he had that 1/4 crack! Truly a great horse with a chance. But remember CURLIN? He came back big time, didn't he, Draynay? Twice Horse of the Year!!! QR might come back like Curlin without a Derby win. I hope so myself. But life goes on, and let's hope all of us can enjoy Saturday, the winners, and safe trips for all - no matter the outcome. Hopefully, no repeat of last year's Derby disaster! No 8 Belles, please!

Good luck to all and a safe trip!

Still no CURLIN, though! :-(

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Wanda — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:30:06 GMT

Thank you Monica V. I so enjoy our conversations over the past year as well. I've been humbled to many times in the racing game to do a 180 now.

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Greg J. — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:26:02 GMT

Desert Party gets #19, Nowhere to Hide # 18, Flying Private #20, Throw outs, in my opinion....

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Greg J. — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:23:29 GMT

Friesan Fire gets P.P. # 6, I will take it!!!

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Monica V — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:09:00 GMT

Wanda,

I want to say that you NEVER come off like you know everything. You come off as a very knowlegable person. Always pleasant and always informative. I can't believe that anyone would think you were arrogant about it. It's just sour grapes.

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Pedigree Shelly — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:56:37 GMT

I think Dunkirk is overrated He's a nice horse I just dont see him winning Saturday!! Go IWR and Talamo !!!

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bulldog — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:44:42 GMT

I Want Revenge as the favorite in the Kentucky Derby? Don't make me laugh. He is going to disappoint. However, if you don't believe me, bet a lot of money and watch it go up in smoke. IEAH just sold part of their stake in him. They're not stupid. They know when to cut their losses.

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slyder — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:41:23 GMT

LMAO GW!!

Nothing against Dunkirk, I kinda like his chances but you are SOOOOOOOO right about draynay. Anybody in here who takes him the least bit serious should wake up. Any of us could make pick after pick and eventually have a shot at finding the winner. Great stuff gw, thanks for the laugh.

This Derby has some great betting possibilities. There are more real racehorses in here than last year and that makes it much better. Like any year there are some who don't belong but it's not like last year when you could throw out 19 of them and come up with an easy winner. I'm waiting for the post draw tomorrow then will go from there. Good luck to everyone, yes even you draynay. Enjoy the race we all wait for every year!!

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laz — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:25:42 GMT

IWR, a man against boy's, it will take a huge effort 2 beat him!!!

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Householder — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:48:48 GMT

Take a look at what was behind Dunkirk in the Florida Derby. He beat Theregoesjojo at 3-1. Wheredidjojogo? The remaining field was 35-1 or above running for "Black Type." This means that Dunkirk will be in front of the two "Bird" horses entered this year. PLEASE bet Dunkirk! He better be every bit as good as his hype as he is about to get the "acid" test of his life. I don't care what his Beyer is. I'll take a grade stakes winner over a Beyer any day.

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gw_bushwacker — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:35:14 GMT

Ok folks it's time for a nay nay reality check. What you have here are just a few of draynay's comments from his previous posts about what he really thinks of Dunkirk. Read them and get a good laugh. This guy is not to be taken seriously, he can't even remember from one day to another who he likes. So now all of a sudden Dunkirk is his chosen one?

"Every time I talk or think about Dunkirk I get sick to my stomach. The same feeling I got last year when everyone told me how good Colonel John was last year."

"I am saying a colt from Unbridled Song CAN'T win the Derby."

"Dunkirk ? You have to be kidding! Dunkirk is not a derby horse and the total lack of foundation makes him a toss in the Derby."

"No races at 2 and only 3 races going into the Derby? There is nothing here... move along."

"Dunkirk... you have to be joking."

"Can the Dunkirk fans please explain WHY you want to see this tired horse run again before the Derby ??? Even if he was to run again do you really think he would be a factor running AGAIN in the Kentucky Derby? If you do you need to be told these are animals and not machines. ANYONE who witnessed the Florida Derby saw Dunkirk was a very very tired horse. Enough already...let it go."

"Dunkirk...lol.. get real."

"If Pletcher was a football coach he would have been fired long ago. 0 for 21 in the Derby tells you he has no idea how to get a horse ready for the Derby."

"For the record Dunkirk and Old Fashioned have no chance at all in the Derby and any money bet on them will be a complete waste."

"I just saw Jeff Siegel place Dunkirk No. 1 on his derby list. Is he serious? SIMPLY unreal."

This guy is a hoot!! He has no idea what he's talking about ever but he loves to bash you.

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Horswld — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:48:20 GMT

Lone Speed,

I agree that if speed holds it is possible Regal Ransom could steal it. I like Join in the Dance's speed too. Man he's fast. His last race he seemed to be a little rank out there on the front end. I think that if he can settle a little more he will do better. I may put him somewhere under Friesan Fire. Don't know yet.

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Lone Speed — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:17:07 GMT

Horswld

He ruined it for everyone on another forum last year. A LOT of us were high on Big Brown before this wooh-hah arrived.

About the speed, Join In The Dance will be right up there with Regal Ransom. It IS a possibility that Regal Ransom is of quality speed and may steal the race. Don't laugh. It's possible.

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Horswld — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:04:59 GMT

Jason,

What are your thoughts on the fractions that may be set now that Join in the Dance is in?

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Horswld — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:23:41 GMT

GREG J.,

You were right on when you told me "mark my words" about Draynay. He is just full of excuses as well as other things. He says that this field is nothing but allowance horses but he goes and picks one over real winners of graded earnings. Just can't get a grasp on his logic. Guess he really doesn't have one. I'm done with him anyway. He says that there is no speed in the race but I beg to differ now that Join in the Dance is in. I think some real fractions will be set this year. What are your thoughts?

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Lone Speed — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:21:49 GMT

Dunkirk has 'The Move' and displayed it against a speed-favoring track. Sure, he hung against Quarter Crack Road - wide. But these hangers tend to do better next time out, just like the turf horses who 'needed more'. It would make no difference if Quarter Crack Road was in the Derby or not - Dunkirk is the next "rule breaker". His only other threat is I Want Revenge, anyway.

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The Phantom — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:02:42 GMT

Revenge is the horse if he runs like he did in the Wood its over.Bullet work means 1 thing he's ready. Should be a great race.

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draynay — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:59:48 GMT

We only have a few days left to pick the Derby winner and by the looks of what is left you have to give the nod to Dunkirk. Sooner or later if enough "quality" falls off the board you have to set aside all the "big drama" and select the best "mousse" still running. The best healthy horse is not even in the race and we all KNOW that is Rachel Alexandra. So lets see... in this years Derby we have no Rachel, Mousse, Drama, or Quality. Lol...you can say that again. So what does that leave us in this glorified allowance race. Well lets take FF first. He is a decent horse when running against average competition but he couldn't break a Beyer over 100 until he splashed in the mud and his work was fast but he pulled up so fast as soon as the work was over I thought the rider was going to fly off. Derby Day will be proof that the horse is a miler and wants no part of 1 1/4. IWR has added blinkers? This horse peaked in the Gotham ... big deal who cares his run in the Wood was good but this horse has peaked and I am passing...his works have been very average. What about POTN you say? He looks good but when they come for home he will just not be fast enough and his Beyers are just not up to par. The horse that benefits the most is Dunkirk. Just watch Dunkirks Maiden race and you will see the 2009 Kentucky Derby. The Derby will look just like it. There is no real speed in this race we all know that and when it breaks down between the 6f and mile pole Dunkirk will pick up the pieces. Without a little mousse there will be no drama because there is no quality in the 2009 Kentucky Derby. "Dunkirk"

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wista — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:53:11 GMT

To Draynay:

Dunkirk was purchased for 3.7 million and will be making only his 4th lifetime in the derby! Now why would you pay all that money and only race him 3 times prior to the biggest race in North America?

Dunkirk is still eligible for non-winners of 2 other than maiden or claiming! Plus his trainer has such a great record in the Derby! Sounds like a great bet to me . . . not really!

Re the Beyers: They can be helpful but are not the answer. Beyer, on TV before the derby a few years back, anointed Bellamy Road as the next "superhorse." Now that was really prophetic.

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the-wiz — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:23:21 GMT

draynay,

First of all you are the ultimate in diharrea of the mouth. Nobody spews more crap than you. As for having the winner on derby day we shall see. As high as you were on Big Brown last year did you have the Superfecta and Trifecta multiple times like I did? I'm gping to bet with confidence again this year and don't worry little man it don't matter squat what you think.

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gw_bushwacker — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:38:39 GMT

dranay,

Give it up. You have emphatically stated that no horse sired by Unbridleds Song will ever win a Derby no matter what. Now you are on the Dunkirk bandwagon? You are a joke to say the least. Change your mind when it looks like you are going to be wrong. Talk about an inferiority complex.

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Friesan Fire — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:54:48 GMT

Anyone want to see what they look like when wagering on their first Derby? Check this out:

www.youtube.com/watch

Thix is a crack up!

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The Bid — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:52:31 GMT

Larry Jones is NO DUMMY!!!! Finally he has a horse w/all the intangibles and a little bit of intrigue. Not only does this horse reap of CLASS/PEDIGREE, but WHO REALLY knows what The FIRE is capable of??? Certainly not DRAY-KIRK...his True pick will be LUCKY if he is able to run in The Belmont. As impressive of a win 7wks. ago was in The Slop, What if it were run on a Fast track??? Now the preps and Friesian Fire is left to wallow in the Barn, quetions start to lament...Who is going to be The Morning Line Favorite??? IWR...Impressive in The WOOD- Looked like he could stop and start and not miss a beat or a fraction!! QR-DNKRK- The duel down the stretch in Tampa. POTN- Just keeps...keep'n on, despite no challenge to speak of nor PACE!!! CC- The 'Ol Wise Guy pick...PEAKING at the right time and really gaining on POTN but just comes up too short...definitely looks like distance is not an issue. Let's turn to the works...FF works a mile and a half and Jones commented he was barely breathing...then he arrives...not only does he impress but he absolutely TORCHED Churchill in 5 furlongs and gallops out admiring THE Towers of Churchill and some on-lookers, completely un-abated and Totally hamming-it-up. The FIRE is a legit THREAT not because of WHAT HE HAS DONE...but because NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT HE IS TRULY CAPABLE OF!!!!!!!!!

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Householder — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:29:52 GMT

Perhaps FF should have left a little something for next week's race. Has a horse coming off a seven week lay off ever won the Derby? Go multiple stakes winners. There are no sleepers here. We have a grade 1 winner at 2 and 3...a horse that finished 2nd in the Breeder's Cup...a horse that has graded stakes earnings on 3 different tracks...and a grade 1 runner up and winner on two different coasts. It's show time.

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phileboy — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:27:40 GMT

Curlin, yes, the race does perhaps set up better for Dunkirk now that Quality Road is out, although that doesn't necessarily make him a winner, as the race pace will probably also set up more favorably for several other horses, too, who won't need to close for so far back in the pack. (Similarly, the scratch ought to further compromise the chances of the deep closers this year, it would seem to me.) Sticking with Dunkirk for the moment, one ought to keep in mind what has previously noted: Can he win? Yes. Will he win? Maybe. Despite the change in recent horse racing training dictums, due in no small measure, to the increased fragility of the breed, there's still a reason why horses without a 2-year-old start hasn't won the derby since Apollo, in 1882. That was the 8th Derby; this year will mark the 135th. (It would, however, be interesting to know how often such an effort has been ATTEMPTED. I'd certainly like to know. Does anyone have the answer?) Moreover, Dunkirk doesn't even have an allowance win to his credit and while the horse doubtlessly shows a world of talent, is this the horse that will finally break Pletcher's 0-21 skein in the Derby? Again, maybe -- or maybe not. Good luck to those you if you wish to find out -- at underlaid odds. Count me out, though. What I do know is that Desert Party, who won a graded stakes race at 2, on the dirt, has had three preps this year, albeit in the UAE and he, too, will likely be helped by the scratch of Quality Raod. By virture of his last race, we know for a fact that he can hang tough with the expected speed in the race, Regal Ransom who he's beaten twice previously. He's likely to be 15-1 and is looking good: Godolphin's assistant trainer was quoted as saying that his workout Saturday was "the best he's ever worked." And yes, most of us are well-advised to read such comments with a jaundiced eye, as trainers never seem to DOWNGRADE their horses chances pre-race, but in so much as Desert Party is regarded by his connections as a horse who typically works well in the a.m., this comment ought to viewed as an encouraging sign. (Does anyone remember two years ago when Street Sense -- sired by Street Cry, as is Desert Party -- was credited with what many felt with the "best" workout before the Derby? I know that I do!) Anyway, I can't say I have "visions" like some of what may happen, but I think he'll make some noise. Good luck to everyone!