Making a Big Move For The Derby

re: Making a Big Move For The Derby

Ricardo Benites — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:47:49 GMT

The big ? here is whether can Tomcito close at this level? He will have to be closer to the pace if he want to take on Big Brown on the short GP strecth. I like the horse, his connections and he will definately be "the people's horse" if he makes it to the big dance. A $7,500 horse will make a lot of people dream with horse racing even to those who spend millions at the sales... Good luck Tomcito!

re: Making a Big Move For The Derby

Johnny — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:44:05 GMT

I just watched Big Brown's two races again, and then viewed a few of Tomcito's, including the Derby Nacional. Impossible at the moment to say which horse is better, although Tomcito is a little more seasoned.

All I can say is I wish it were March 29th already.

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Big Brown's Breeder — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:47:36 GMT

Thanks to Bryce Be Quick for the "inspired breeding" comment. Here was the thinking on the breeding. First, Equix's Optimatch Program predicted a high probablility of a stakes winner resulting from this mating (there are a few different stallions whom can be mated with Mien and that prediction would be repeated). Second, the mating resulted in inbreeding to Northern Dancer, Damascus and Round Table, and all of these crosses show up in the principal runners produced by Boundary. Third, and as important as the first two factors, the mating results in four crosses of the important mare Selene.

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3 CROWN DREAMIN' — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:08:31 GMT

When I saw his maiden race in Sept. I knew he was the one I had been waiting for. In my shortsightedness I began preaching about the next Derby winner almost religiously to anyone who would listen, and showing his race to anyone who would watch. For 6 mos. I tracked his activity almost daily. Hoping, waiting & dreaming.

For followers present and future,go to IEAH.com,click "stable roster", click "Big Brown";

The 2008 Triple Crown Winner!

Enjoy the Ride!!

re: Making a Big Move For The Derby

predict — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:53:12 GMT

PatO'D, I'm not sure who will have their hands full, if Big Brown and Tomcito meet up in the Florida Derby, but I have no doubt that they are both to be taken seriously. Big Brown is certainly the "Big Unknown", having foot problems and never having met stakes caliber horses, but I think I read recently that Big Brown did a 1 mile work in 1:35 B, that's scary, and Tomcito did a 1 mile in 1:39 and change , still very good. I like to think that Tomcito will be impressing a lot of folks if he goes in the Florida Derby because I hear he can run all day and has an explosive closing kick. This would be a race to see, no doubt.

re: Making a Big Move For The Derby

Smittytoo — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:08:59 GMT

Gulstream plays toward speedy types which should help Big Brown`s chances. That being said, I hope he gets a lot of play in the Florida Derby since I`ll likely not use him in my exactas or trifectas.

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Matthew Wohlken — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:26:11 GMT

I did not see the race but I'm interested!!--Kent D....aka "The Brain"---knows how to ride the Derby homestretch---I think the West Coast is strong this year---but "Brownie did a helluva job!!!!"

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Pat O'D — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:08:56 GMT

Big Brown will have his hands full with Tomcito.This horse beat 3 year olds racing as a two year old in South America.

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draynay — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:26:35 GMT

Visionaire wins the Bluegrass.

Big Brown wins the Florida Derby.

Tale of Ekati wins the Wood.

Wow... would that be interesting...

If Big Brown wins easily it will really upset the apple cart.

re: Making a Big Move For The Derby

DrMax944 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:53:22 GMT

I love all the buzz about BIG BROWN. His two races were truely impressive and show he has lots of raw talent and huge potential. And winning like he did and only being at 80% of his potential. All great stuff! And a refreshing change to all the PYRO-WAR PASS; WAR PASS-PYRO talk for weeks. But given his past history of foot problems, let's see how he runs in the FL Derby. And then, if he wins big or runs well, we can start the bandwagon!

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jmark — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:34:45 GMT

Does anyone know where I can find the Hey Burn allowance race replay for free? I keep hearing his name with Big Brown.

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Bryce Be Quick — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:34:27 GMT

Big Brown-- not on my radar screen, and thanks for bringing this guy to me attention. Some inspired breeding here, taking Claiborne-bred Boundary (now out of service due to fertility issues) and a classically bred Dam, Mien, giving Big Brown Native Dancer 3X on both top and bottom of the pedigree chart. Will enjoy seeing what he might do in a field likely including Elysium Field, who has been on my radar screen, in his next start.

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draynay — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:06:53 GMT

Big Brown sat behind the speed rating very nicely 45 and change then exploded. The mile in 1:35 and he did this in hand !!! The jockey called off his races in Dubai !!! What does that tell you?

This horse is a monster... true Curlin did not win the Derby but Curlin was young, a little immature and unraced as a two year old. Big Brown ran at 2 and demolished a field of 12. If he wins in hand and never sees the whip in the Florida Derby what will be said then ? Big D is calling off Dubai to stay on Big Brown that tells me all I need to know. If he wins easily... is it hard to imagine him rating behind War Pass than exploding on the turn ??? On a side note watch Visionaire upset Pyro at Keenland.

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Inquiry — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:19:33 GMT

He did look awesome but Gulfstream has been a conveyor belt for speed this meet.

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Johnny — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:56:41 GMT

I wouldn't put Big Brown in the top slot on Derby day, even if he does win the Florida Derby, unless War Pass stubs his toe along the trail; but if he's victorious, I'll probably put him alongside Pyro and Court Vision.

Despite only two starts, six months apart, and devoid of stakes company, Big Brown has thus far handled his opponents so easily, on grass and dirt, that I'm going to assume for now that he's the real deal. I don't know how the Saratoga track was playing last September, but I guess Gulfstream has been playing fast; never-the-less, this horse can motor. His fractions haven't exactly been pedestrian.

Big Brown is a serious front runner, and just keeps opening up daylight between himself and everyone else, which is exactly what War Pass does; and I love how he strides out. He also seems to handle the turns pretty well. He's a very professional looking horse for just two starts.