Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Mike S — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:22:13 GMT

There's a discussion thread over at another thoroughbred discussion forum, titled "Was RUFFIAN undefeated"? Most of the people say, no, she was not "undefeated" because she broke down in the match race with FOOLISH PLEASURE. They all seem to note that RUFFIAN and BARBARO have race records of 11 sts, 10 wins, and 7 sts, 6 wins, respectively, and they're right because Equibase/Daily Racing Form show these as "official" records. Technically, when the gate opens it's considered an official "start" but I don't think it's fair to say that RUFFIAN and BARBARO "lost."

They never "lost." THEY DIED. It's a huge difference. I consider them to both be "undefeated" because I don't think you can count a race against them when they broke down in a life-ending manner. I think that their careers should be seen in this light..."they both won all the races they were in, except for when they died."

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Goldie — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:28:15 GMT

To jshandler: you were right, I did come back. But, why did you call me a Little Old Lady?? Don't you think that's just a tad rude? Teehee

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Arem — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:20:34 GMT

I glad Rachel isn't running in the Belmont...

Maybe now people will cool off about the "super filly" thing.

I don't care HOW good that filly is, but she is NO "super filly."

One 20 length win in the Oaks and one narrow victory in the Preakness don’t warrant a filly being called “Super.” Compared to Ruffian, those victories are very small. Even insignificant.

Ruffian was a super filly. Still is. No matter how good Rachel (or any other filly for that matter) is they can never be super filly because they cannot even come CLOSE to comparing to the great Ruffian.

Ruffian was perfect. Meeting or equaling the track record in almost every race she ever ran, she won by incredible margins.

She was a heartbreaker. Some of the fillies she ran against never ran the same again after being beaten by Ruffian.

Ruffian was special. She trampled every filly that ever challenged her, and she didn't even have to try. She cantered away from them all.

Ruffian is the only filly that can ever be called a Super Filly.

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Greg J. — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:52:49 GMT

Here is Hoping one of my favorites, "Rainbow View"(Dynaformer) Wins today at Epsom in the Investec Oaks for Fillies!!!, Race is coming up shortly, She is an amazing Filly!, She is at Odds of 10-3 right now.....

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

LDP — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:09:22 GMT

Mike S,

If winstar does do that America will have a pretty strong cast against the Euros this year, don't you think. You would have the old versitle warrior Einstien, Dubai hero Well Armed, CJ one of last years best three year olds come back looking good. Other possibilities are RA brilliant filly who won the Preakness and the Oaks, the latter by 20, and maybe even the uderdog gelding, a rags to riches story MTB. That is a good looking cast of horses to me.

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Mike S — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:07:09 GMT

Maybe WinStar Farm will have WELL ARMED sweep the San Diego Hcp, Pacific Classic Stk, Goodwood Hcp, out west, and have COLONEL JOHN sweep the Whitney Hcp, Woodward Stakes and Jockey Club Gold Cup prior to squaring off, and running 1-2, in the Breeders Cup Classic.

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Householder — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:36:08 GMT

barb. I got top of the stretch (the cheapist) Breeder's Cup tickets for $55.00 each which includes the $20.00 entrance fee (so for $35.00) I get to sit. They go on sale to the public tomorrow (June 5th).

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Householder — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:29:34 GMT

LDP Eintein...won't hear me knocking this one. Very very nice horse.

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

LDP — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:53:39 GMT

Dray name another horse this year who has grade one wins on 2 differnt surfaces and is grade one place on dirt, remember he was third in the Donn. He's is also one of the only seven year old stallions, if not the only seven year old stallion racing. As of now no horse has topped him, though if RA keeps on coming i'll put her on top very willingly.

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Draynay — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:19:17 GMT

Einstein beats Cowboy Cal by 3 inches and he is horse of the year ?

Don't look for that to happen again.

Cowboy will not lose on turf again this year.

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Karen2 — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:41:58 GMT

LDP: I LOVE Einstien....I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

LDP — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:02:59 GMT

Householder,

Dont forget about Einstien for HOTY, he has become the first horse ever to win back to back woodford reserves and has gotten two grade one wins on two different surfaces, and was third in the Donn. A match up between the two on synthetics in the classic sounds rather intriguing.

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

Householder — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:41:49 GMT

WELL ARMED. Let's hear it for fillys and the 6 year old gelding! Just amazing to come back from the near death experience to compete at this level. His half sister Witty just beat a 5-5 filly Carlsbad in the Railbird at Hollywood. WELL ARMED loves Del Mar where he fired fresh off last year's Dubai World Cup. A good summer/fall campaign, like picking up the Pacific Classic, makes him a HOY threat.

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StardustyRose — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:15:01 GMT

Mike Relva

Zenyatta has a lot to prove LOLOLOL! She needs to lose a race LOL. She is 10 for 10 and that just isn't good enough aye? :)

Sent you an email. Too funny.

re: Rachel's Absence Leaves a Void For Casual Fan

StardustyRose — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:11:25 GMT

Mike R.

Check your email spams. :)