Bird is the Word - Belmont Recap (And the Draynay Ban Begins!)

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LDP — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:20:28 GMT

Laz,

Lol. C'mon stardusty, i won't steal from you, just borrow. As i said i love debates. When you think of something, Laz let me know.

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Wanda — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:23:40 GMT

Has it been a week already? My how time flies.

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LAZMANNICK — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:14:45 GMT

Hey LPD:

I had to stop. Stardusty Rose said she would hit me with her purse if I didn't.

I'll get back to you about something else for sure. LOL

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Greg J. — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:29:57 GMT

What a tough trip for Einstein in the foster!, I am amazed he still got third, he had nowhere to go after Asiatic Boy beat him to that hole, But considering his start, checking up, bumped, etc., Just an incredibly tough race for him, everything that could have gone wrong did, Just goes to show you the heart he has to still finish third. I have to give credit to Macho Again and Asiatic Boy, but still think that was a very tough run for Einstein...

Jason,

Did you see the Ninth race(Fleur De Lis Handicap) with "Miss Isella" and Calvin BO-RAIL?, For the life of me, I don't know how she (Miss Isella) hung on, She got SLAMMED into that rail hard!, Amazing, Then she stayed up, looked like she was going to get passed but she dug in and held on, Great race!, Kudos for Calvin for hanging on, I honestly thought he was nuts trying to squeeze her through that small gap, but he and his filly did it, Wow...

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LDP — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:06:09 GMT

Laz,

Darn you, i like debates, they're fun. I guess I can call a truce. I was having so much fun too. Are you sure you don't want to keep going? lol.

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LAZMANNICK — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:30:46 GMT

Stardusty Rose:

Whatever you say.

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StardustyRose — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:07:41 GMT

LAZMANNICK...

Amen. :)

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LAZMANNICK — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:12:13 GMT

LPD

Not that I'm trying to prolong our discusion, but SJ might not have actually made the lead until into the backstretch but he was three wide around the clubhouse turn while he remained within a length of the lead, took the lead and was pressed (Durken even made a comment that he was not going to get a breather today). He didn't really make open daylight until the top of the stretch when he opened up by four and yes he did fight right to the end. Birdstone had a very easy trip, but was staggering at the end when SJ finally gave up. I doubt he would have given up if his race up to that point hadn't been so demanding. A 1/16th of a mile shorter and there would have been another triple crown winner.

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LAZMANNICK — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:59:55 GMT

LPD

Peace. We each have our own thoughts. In any event, I was always a Bernardini fan and I REALLY WAS disappointed when he didn't win the Classic.

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LDP — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:41:13 GMT

Laz,

I also said Bernardini was better than Barbaro on dirt. On turf Barbaro was untouchable. I also just got done watching a replay of the Classic. Bernardini was asked with four furlongs left in the race after a 1.11 half. Then Brother Derek starts to fight back so Bernardini out slugs him when they get to the stretch after going wide. Then Invasor starts coming up and after all Invasor didn't just swoop by. He only won by what looked like to me a little over a length. Bernardini still faught after doing most of the dirty work. As i said you can't do what he did and not be tired. I ran track this spring, and if i was in a longer race it gets darn tiring. If your battling it out with some one and your dead tired, it doesn't matter how much you want to win, your legs won't go faster. You can try all you want, it aint gonna happen, especially if you've made your run, and the other person is just begining their's. Thats probably what happened with Bernardini. He makes this huge run finally gets the lead, but inside the final furlong he hits a wall while Invasor, who waited is just getting started. It wasn't that he had no fight, it was that he'd hit the wall and there was nothing else there to give, no matter how much he may have wanted.

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LDP — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:20:32 GMT

Laz,

SJ didnt make the lead until five furlongs out. My point is it was a fast pace i believe the day of the Classic, and Bernardini made a huge move way before the stretch. I can't remember, but i don't think they were even half way through the final turn. Then he's asked not only for all he's got early, but to sustain it through one of the longest stretches in America. You do that and tell me your not going to be tired. When a horse, unless it's Secretariat, does that, it's not going to have anything left to fight with. To say he had no fight may not be true is my point. Had Bernardini move later and then offered no response to Invasor, then i'd say he had no fight, but the horse was tired after making a huge move. He fought, he just had no more to give.

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Tim — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:59:55 GMT

I'm from Revere and I'm watching the Sox and Phillies right now but I'm not a dreamer. The Patriots aren't going go undefeated and win the Superbowl. I'm battling a shoulder injury myself so I know what it's like and don't expect Brady to be the same QB he was before the injury. They really took a gamble giving up Cassel because as much as a homer as I am I don't think Brady will be back on top for couple years. The Sox have a great bullpen but their starting pitching has an ERA of nearly 6.00. It boggles the mind why they haven't brought up Buchholz. He HAS recovered from his shoulder injury but look how long it took him. As for that tri I'll go 3-7-2.

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LAZMANNICK — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:27:46 GMT

LPD

As far as SJ in the Belmont, you're talking two diffrent things. SJ was pushed a good part of the way, in fact, I remember JR pushing his mount to stay with him early. Of course he didn't have anything left. When you stop like he did in the last 1/8th going 1-1/2 M it was because he was totally spent from his early eforts.

Bernardini (remember I really like this horse) didn't have the same pressures that SJ had.

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Mike Relva — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:25:52 GMT

TO:DAVE THE DRAY FAN

You and I both know Invasor took care of Bernardini in the Breeders. Yes,he's was a very good horse,but he's no Invasor. No way! Oh yea,you better hold your collective breath that Tom Bradys' knee holds up.

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LAZMANNICK — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:23:41 GMT

LPD:

I for one was hoping that Bernardini would have won the Classic and I was really upset that he didn't. What I do remember is that he didn't put up even the slightest bit of resistance. I still like the horse (a lot), but he wasn't the second coming like some bloggers suggest.

When MTB was passed in the Belmont I was disappointed too. But,a)I don't consider him as good a horse as Bernardini,b)it was his third tough race in five weeks and the horses that finished ahead of him weren't asked to do what he was asked, and when he didn't fight back it really didn't surprise me.

As for saying that Bernarini is better than Barbaro, I'll be kind and say that simply put, that is a totally unqualified statement. Barbarboro won the derby, was undefeated, won on different surfaces and the only way he lost was from an injury that eventualy cost him his life, and he still wanted to go on.

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Jason Shandler — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:20:56 GMT

What has Randy ever won?

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Greg J. — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:31:29 GMT

Jason,

OUCH!, "Touche" Jason, lol, Maybe a whole generation, but not mine! Come on now, Bill and Randy maybe aren't the most friendly guys out there, But they sure do know how to win, no matter what the cost, lol...

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Jason Shandler — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:08:45 GMT

Yeah Greg, it was tough. But not as tough as it was seeing the Yankees spank the Sox every year and not having a WS title for almost 100 years in a town that breathes baseball. That's a whole generation of people who never got to see a world series in Boston. Must be heartbreaking

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Jason Shandler — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:05:07 GMT

I feel bad for you Greg that you guys lost that Super Bowl. I mean, Bill B. is such a loveable and honest guy, and Randy Moss is so likeable too. My heart goes out to you for THE BIGGEST CHOKE IN NFL HISTORY. lol

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Greg J. — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:00:38 GMT

So must be Eagles(You guys need a new QB, Mcnabb needs to go!), Phillies, Flyers, It must have been so depressing going all those years with NO titles in each sport until the Phillies rescued you, lol...

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Greg J. — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:57:19 GMT

The Patriots are the team of this decade if not history if they Win this year, Umm, Let's See, Champions in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2009??? Two things in my life I will never get over, Smarty Jones losing the Belmont and the Giants beating my Patriots on Feb. 03, 2008...

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LDP — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:55:19 GMT

Laz,

If what you say is true why didn't MTB fight back when SB flew up on his outside? Was he tired? Same with Bernardini, he was tired. It's not a dumb assement. CD has a huge stretch, thats why during the last furlong Bernardini was sputtering, and Invasor who had waited was under a full head of steam. Are you going to tell me SJ in the Belmont didn't fight back when Birdstone came up? He couldn't he, like Bernardini had nothing left to give, even though he wanted to. Curlin moved way to early last year, are you going to tell me after watching his Preakness and JCGC that he didn't try to fight back. Bernardini tried, but couldn't. Just because he didn't make it a nail biter doesn't mean he didn't fight, it just means after making a early move he had nothing left to give.

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Jason Shandler — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:55:03 GMT

Greg: Im from Philly. Im sure you can figure that one out

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Greg J. — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:52:45 GMT

Jason,

lol, Please don't tell me you like the Bengals, If so, I lost all respect for you! You are seeing a Preview of the World Series Tonight, Red Sox Vs. Phillies(How about Sox taking 8 straight against the Yankees and A-Roid, lol), And like Dave said, The Best Quarterback in the NFL is back, Mr. Tom Brady, So enough said, Future Bet???, Before I answer that, I would like to know who your Favorite teams in both, NFL and MLB, Jason?

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Jason Shandler — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:49:31 GMT

The Pats are done.