Rachel vs. Zenyatta? Dream On

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zenyatta13 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:45:41 GMT

I don't even know where to start. The fact that the Breeders' Cup is being run on synthetics is keeping the best from running with the best (Rachel vs. Zenyatta). If the horse racing world hasn't realized that synthetics are ruining our sport, I don't know where horse racing is going to be 10 or 20 years from now! I totally agree with Jess Jackson calling synthetics "plastic." The Breeders' Cup had been held on dirt and turf for over 20 years and that truly brought our the champions. In 2008 we saw horses, mainly European-breds, win most of the BC races. If they weren't European they were used to running on synthetics. European horses run mainly on the turf, and synthetics favor turf horses! The 2008 "Dirt" Mile made me laugh because it wasn't even run on dirt! Albertus Maximus, the winner, had run on synthetics before. To me, the winner was going to be Well Armed, clearly the best horse in the field who was raised on DIRT. Well Armed did not fire in the Dirt Mile. Fast forward to March. Well Armed dominated the Dubai World Cup on DIRT while Albertus Maximus did not fire. I agree with wowhorse that the Bluegrass and the Coolmore Lexington at Keeneland will prove to be the least useful of the KD preps because it is run on synthetic and the KD is run on dirt. It escapes me why anyone would prep their horse on a turf-like surface for a dirt race. Take Advice for example. He ran an absolutely beautiful race in the Lexington Stakes. In the KD he did not run well, coming in 13th. Some people will say "Oh, he had a bad trip and ran into traffic" or whatever. I just think he is a better turf/synthetic horse. In the Arlington Washington Futurity he ran a stunning race. He unofficially came in second by a head, but because of an inquiry, the 3rd place finisher was placed infront of the unofficial winner, bumping Advice back to 3rd. He runs well on synthetics. Overall, WE NEED DIRT BACK! Fake dirt is keeping the best from being and meeting the best!

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Dave the Draynay Fan — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:22:18 GMT

only 7 1/2 hours till we welcome back dray. We missed you.

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Mike Relva — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:31:44 GMT

TO: 2:24

I've said this many times,the connections of Zenyatta are going to do what's in her best interest despite what "crybaby" fans think! She's the champ,why don't others come to Calif. to race her? You need to deal with it!

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Freetex — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:54:27 GMT

Matt H, now there's a race! Just to make it interesting, why not add Summer Bird who won the third leg of the Triple Crown?

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Greg J. — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:25:59 GMT

Slyder,

lol, I wasn't going to say anything, So, Thanks!, And Good Idea, But, It probably won't happen, Just doesn't make sense for them not to meet...

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slyder — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:01:48 GMT

Someone get out the Guiness Book of World records!! I think Matt H just set one for the longest run on sentance in history!! He may have set another for typo's too.

Seriously though, horseracing needs to find a way to get the best and most popular horses in training in a race together. Not just this year but for the future. The Breeders Cup was to be that venue but sadly and I blame alot of it on the advent of fake tracks is no longer able to do so. Rachael vs Zenyatta and toss in some of the others would draw a crowd if it was the only race on a card. Somewhere there is likely a sponsor who would put up big money to create such a race. Heck they spend billions sponsoring less appealing things. Hockey has gone to outdoor games that draw "world record" crowds why not create an event at a premier dirt track, put up some temporary bleachers, add a big name band or two and have the race of the year for all the marbles? You could even tie it in to a day honoring racing legends man/woman/and beast. I can't think of a better way to spend a day.

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draynot — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:44:52 GMT

Blame it on the fake crap!! If this isn't a wakeup to go back to dirt then the sport has fallen into a snow white like slumber. Who really pays attention to the Cali circuit and their typical 5 horse fields and 2-5 favorites anymore? The bigger races draw better but for the most part it seems they are all regional horses anyway. If they don't wake up on the left coast all their tracks will go the way of Hollywood Park and we won't have to have this discussion anymore.

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Ali — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:53:10 GMT

Somethingroyal-

Yeah it would be a great race.

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MATT H. — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:19:07 GMT

i have gotten a interestong idea if you want to see who the best horse is put all three of them in one starting gate ther reason i three or maybe four if you really want ot descide who the best horsr id you would in vite not just rachel or zenyatta but mine that bird and well armed the reason i say that is well armed won the dubi world cup and mine that bird won the kentucky derby and zenyatta won the breaders cup then you would settle who the best was by the earning sheet or would that be to complicated as well the whole issue i think for jes jeckson and it applys to zenyattas owners but i rachels case is that jes is woried out synthetic because curlin didnt do well on it as far as zenyatta they are worried about going to belmont becasue of geocomo and i think jes jackson it really trying ot save his horse for next you he wants to run her against and as well a know in this buisiness its all about the money if you dont have a horse i sound condition you cant make the millions of dollars they are all use to making and i also think that it would be a publicity stunt i find it kind of add that people dream this stuff up if you notice that jes jackson hasnt made one coment about this happening at all some people were aperently that they would majically would run in the breaders cup together i would like to know how this whole thing got started was it zeyattas owners coments on sunday adn if it was they need to find a track adn put them on that they both agrea too and settele this before the breeders cup id really like to tell you what i think about zenyattas owners but i cant the dont like to use those coments on this blog i have read a guys coment on you tube that said it best rachel has nothing to fear when it comes to zenyatta in my oppion win or loose its just horse racing i however do think that rachel will end up having the better career becasue she hastime to accumulate races but i also know that she got to take it one race at a time i probably bet on zenyatta at the breeders cup she will always tower over the field becasue there is othing else to bet on and i like both but come on rachel wiht so her thinkg and zenyatta do hers why cant we for once have 2 good horses this season and just leave it at that

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Saratoga AJ — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:53:26 GMT

IAfter watching Zenyatta win again Saturday, and considering her come from behind running style, I am now convinced she's the only distaff runner in the country that may be able to get within 5 lengths of the great Rachel Alexandra.

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Somethingroyal — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:53:03 GMT

Ali:

Either way, I think a race between the two would be great for racing.

Lady Ruffian & helsbelles:

I was looking for you on Sat. Were you there? Anyway, I was glued to the rail when Zenyatta was brought out to the paddock and got some great photos of her. What an amazing looking animal. I can't wait for her to race at Del Mar on Aug. 6th.

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Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:42:25 GMT

Solider Course,

I'm not saying the Mosses aren't entitled to feel that way about the conditions at Belmont or Saratoga. I'm just saying that maybe we should stop beating up on JJ because he has strong feelings about track surfaces, just as the Mosses have strong feelings about detention barns.

Personally I don't blame one owner over the other for their choices. I feel it's unfortunate that the powers that be chose to run the BC at the same race course two years in a row. I'm sorry we won't get to see RA in a Breeders Cup race but I don't feel JJ should be pressured to run her there anymore than the Mosses should be pressured to come East with their horse.

They are the owners, they are paying the bills, if they don't like the track conditions for any reason, whether it be the actual track or the track barn laws then it's their choice.

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Karen2 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:01:37 GMT

No reason to be upset with either owner/trainer of either party. They have no obligation to meet and race one another. Both fillies are proven and great in their own right. I can understand not wanting to run on synthetics. The Breeders cup should not be run on a synthetic surface IMO. Zenyatta doesn't need to come east to prove her worth so why do it? Enjoy both of these fillies for what they contribute to the industry.

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Soldier Course — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:46:20 GMT

The Mosses are justified in their concerns about the detention barns at NY tracks. Look at the effect the detention barn had on Mine That Bird at Belmont Park.

I think it's a shame that the poor horses have to be so traumatized before a race because their people are inclined to be unscrupulous. There has to be a more humane way to keep things clean.

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Ali — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:35:38 GMT

Somethingroyal:

If been around horses for a long time. And no, I don't need to read up on horses who were known for coming behind. And those horses were a few of the best horses ever. Zenyatta is very fast. And I did see her in the Vanity and the milady as well but I really don't think that she would be able to catch up to Rachel as fast as Rachel is.