Servis Stays Classy

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Jockey D. — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:43:53 GMT

After retiring from riding races for 23 years I feel like Stuart probably misjudged the long stretch Belmont has. I rode their to as a ship in rider from N.J. and would always find myself checking myself not to move to soon. I agree with Dutrow completely But, I assure anyone in anyway that Stuart wanted nothing more in the whole world then to WIN the Triple Crown!!! Dam Good Job Stu!!!!! You showed what you could do Dutrow "Without Doubt" Your one of the Best also!!!

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Carol B. — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:17:29 GMT

Well, I guess John Servis got a little redemption at the Belmont yesterday. That race with Big Brown really made Smarty Jones look good. John Servis did an excellent training job with him and Dutrow is an arrogant big mouth who deserved what he got. I just hope Big Brown is okay as I would never wish anything bad for any horse. This Triple Crown was tainted from the beginning of the Kentucky Derby and the tragedy with Eight Belles. If I recall correctly in 2004 after Smarty lost the Belmont John Servis did not hesitate to talk to the media. The only one of the Big Brown connections who would talk to the press was Kent. Dutrow is a sore loser. The only thing we can do now is look forward to next year and hope that there is a 2 year old in someone's barn just waiting to make history next year.

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Spinwise — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:33:21 GMT

Could not have happened to a more deserving trainer. The racing gods were watching.

Sure I would liked to have seen a TC winner, however I never felt this horse was tested. As he ran wide on the final turn I leaped for joy because I knew deep down he did'nt deserve to rated with the elite horses. Nothing against the animal, mind you, just the despicable trainer.

For the record Afleet Alex was the the best horse in the last 10 years.

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Hank — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:35:17 GMT

I just watched the interview by TVG on Dutrow and his jockey, quite interesting, very candid.Each carrying his own demons, real sad about jocks young son. I have one question, how can you people even begin to try and compare SEC and BB? Both are exceptional animals,different times, diff circumstances, but both the absolute best of their times, like arguing what came first chicken or the egg.

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Karen — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:05:45 GMT

I agree with you SJ Fan. I was devastated when Smarty lost. Unfortunately when he made his move to soon I knew it was over. I was screaming at the t.v. It took me a few days to get over the sting of that one. Regardless, Smarty was one helluva race horse. I loved his tenacity (spelled wrong) and his true grit style. He was the best horse that day. I don't care who crossed the wire first.

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SJ Fan — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:47:55 GMT

I was soooo sad when Smarty lost the Belmont...he's my favorite racehorse...

For this years Belmont I want Big Brown to win. Go Big Brown Go!!!

For second I would like to see Guadalcanal place...and for show...Macho Again...

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Todd — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:23:49 GMT

Is a BB win in the stars? Along with Danzig Connection in the Belmont Stakes, Boundary also had one of his biggest wins at Belmont. I definitely think BB will get the distance and the Triple Crown with a flourish, and history will remember the horse, not his gauche trainer, although Dutrow's cockiness at least has given the pre-race media something to write about. All in all he's done a great job getting Big Brown ready, as did Servis with his horse. Smarty never relaxed the entire race, whether due to pressure or SE's inexperience, and I see those two things as the biggest difference here - Big Brown will do whatever Desormeaux wants him to, in whatever manner. But I hope another horse presses the issue. Maybe then we'll see the best of what Big Brown has to offer in order to begin putting his career into perspective with the other Triple Crown greats.

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Karen — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:43:36 GMT

Draynay,

Should BB win the Belmont, Travers and Breeders cup, he may very well be considered one of the best three year olds ever. It will definately be the best three year old campaigns I have ever witnessed. I don't want to put the cart before the horse. He still needs to accomplish this and in my opinion the Belmont will be the biggest test. The mile and half is the true test and the hardest by far. Not to mention he has a quarter crack that I do fear may worsen after this race or even worsen while he is running on Saturday. I just hope not. In dealing with my own horses hoof problems, quarter cracks are nasty and can be extrememly painful. I am on board for the ride Draynay. I will be there with you cheering for the Big Brown monster because I myself do believe he is special. The acceleration he had in the Preakness is honestly something I have never witnessed and it sent shivers down my spine. I have watched it a million times and never get sick of it. I was in disbelief when it happened. Granted I have seen a surge before and I have seen horses win big but never before have I seen a horse accelerate like that. Never.

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draynay — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:05:21 GMT

Karen I agree with you... I am not trying to dump on Sham or Secretariat or any other horse. But tell me if he wins the next 3... The Belmont, Travers and Breeders Cup... and then retires is he or is he not the most successful 3 year old ever ? 6 G1 wins in a row? Undefeated...? Who matches up with that? Will it or will it not be the greatest 3 year old campaign ever...6 G1 wins in a row a Triple Crown and undefeated... he is then #1 3 year old of all time yes...?

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Karen — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:03:40 GMT

Draynay: I don't dispute your claims about BB. I have also defended his accomplishments on these blogs and have studied the fractions and times for proof. You don't need to sell me on BB. I'm already sold. My point is you can't look past the accomplishments of others such as Curlin. Or much further back in history such as the great Big Red. Thats all. I like your confidence in BB and hope your right. I will be rooting for him all the way and personally feel he is the horse to beat. We all know strange things happen in the Belmont and it's not always the best horse that wins. I am concerned about CD's pedigree. He is conditioned and bred to do the distance. Which is a huge factor and cannot be ignored. With BB's push botton style, I do believe he will be able to sit off the pace and explode at the end. I just hope Kent knows when to ask for it.

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draynay — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:27:47 GMT

Draynot.. or Duhhh what don't you understand ? Every 3 year old in the world stinks and Big Brown is just better than a average group. Every year people think the group is average last year the group was average with no real stand out. This year unlike any in 30 years we have a stand out. Duhhh... let me put it to you this way trainers and jockey's who have been around horses all their lives say they have never seen a horse like him. Do you think maybe they know more than you? Kent D. has been on thousands of horses and says Big Brown is the best by far...look it up jr. look at some of the horses this guy has been on. Like it or not Big Brown will be the most successful 3 year old in history.

Triple Crown Winner and undefeated.

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draynot — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:32:01 GMT

guess I will have to spell it out nice and slowwwwww for youuuu Draynayyyyy so youuuu understandddd what I meannnn by nooooo competitionnn. the numberrrr offfff horsessss innnn a raceeeee doooo notttt makeee theee competitionnnnn. I ammmm referingggg toooo theeee classs offff competitionnnn the browneyeeee hasss facedddd. Ittttt issssss weakkkkkkkk. As for the "Graded Winners" he has faced I will say it again. Somehorseeeee hadddd toooo winnnn thoseeee racessss. Justtttt becauseee theyyyyy callll themmmm gradedddd doesn'ttttt makeeee theeeee qualityyyy offff theeee horsessss thatttt rannnn greattttt. I hope that was slow enough for your mind to comprehend. So far the Big Ole Browneye has faced no competition in regards to class. The only reason he has faced "graded winners" is because some horse had to win those races regardless of real class. And once again you ask me to recite Secratariats records to you. I never compared your hero to Secratariat. Before you respond to me again take a break from your senior moment and respond to what I have said not just blurt out your tired comments.

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draynay — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:09:44 GMT

Lol... again! Something we can agree on yes Hard Spun was a mans horse..true guts and speed. Could have been the best miler in many years...

Karen ...let me give you some background. After viewing Big Browns Allowance race I knew he was something very special and told any who would listen he would dominate the Florida Derby and win big...he did. After that on this very forum I told everyone here that he would whip the field in the Derby and be our next Triple Crown winner. EVERYONE laughed and scoffed and told me how wonderful the California horse were...which by the way no one talks about the California horses anymore. I saw greatness then and I see it now and still...after fantastic performances its not enough or the competition is not enough or the times are not fast enough...huh ? What? I have been watching horses for many years ...haven't seen one like him. Not one. Big Brown wins every time and does it with ease...he is racing against VERY large fields 12 in the Florida Derby 20 in Kentucky 12 at the Preakness and 10 in the Belmont. Huge fields compared to any other Triple Crown winner in 50 years yet people still don't get it....tell me Karen what is it going to take? How does an injured horse with limited prep time get rushed into the Triple Crown races and win by huge margins and dominate all foes while bleeding through his tape and suffering even more cracks to his feet and EVERYONE not just be in awe of what they are witnessing. Horses don't win the Derby on only 3 races from the 20 post going 4 wide... its impossible. That same horse couldn't possibly win the Preakness with ease again coasting home the last 300 yards and still win by 5... thats impossible. Horses do not do what Big Brown is doing and they do not do it every time like Big Brown is. But it will never be enough for many but there will never be a finer 3 year old performance by any horse past or present or future than the perfection you are witnessing right now...You are witnessing the finest 3 year old campaign ever.

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Karen — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:59:13 GMT

You were right Draynay, Curlin did beat Hard Spun twice. I forgot about the Haskel Invitational. I loved Hard Spun. I wish he would have raced at 4. I think he would have been a force to be reckoned with.

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Karen — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:51:24 GMT

Draynay: Easy now. Not fair to bring up Eight Belles tragic breakdown in that manner. I believe the emotional scars are still fresh.

I think Hard Spun only beat Curlin once if I am not mistaken. Curlin also tied the track record in his Preakness run and was three year old horse of the year and cleaned house in the Dubai world cup. Kind of hard to dismiss the fact that Curlin is an incredibly talented colt. He came into his own the fall of his three year old year and has continued to improve. I don't think he will face BB if BB goes to the classic because of the polytrack. Can't say as I blame them. I'm not sold on sythetic surfaces. I would have liked to see BB run with the likes of the three year old crop last year. Based on the research I have done I believe he could have been game with them but believe the three year olds last year were exceptional and would have given him a run for his money. Draynay: do you have any respect for any other horses than BB?

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draynay — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:24:08 GMT

Oh...Wanda you wnat a piece of this? Your boy Curlin got whipped by Hard Spun TWICE... Your boy Curlin got whipped by a filly...lol.. a filly...in the Belmont..lol.. ??? I don't think any fillies will ever race Big Brown again. Back to your boy who won ONLY 1 Triple Crown race and then beat Lawyer Ron in the Breeders Cup... Big Deal ! How many Triple Crown wins does he have??? If you want to brag about Curlin have something to brag about. He beat a one track horse and a miler.,, not exactly Triple Crown stuff now is it.... Big Brown the Triple Crown winner will be at the Breeders Cup...chirp....chirp ...chirp... those are the sounds coming from Curlin's connections.

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Wanda — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:14:32 GMT

Why Draynay? You keep beaking off about Curlin avoiding BB.I explained to you why they haven't met yet but you still throw out these stupid comments.Come on For a guy that's suppose to be the handicapper of the decade,you can't come up with any thoughtful reasonable answers other than he will win.You just make the same old noise.If your going to talk the talk,I suggest you start walking the walk.

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draynay — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:06:03 GMT

Draynot do you have any idea what you are talking about? NO COMPETITION ? Try 20 horse field in the Derby...12 in the Preakness 10 in the Belmont.

Please do me a favor and come back and tell me how many times as a 3 year old Secretariat faced a field of 10 or more... before you spout off again and claim no competition...take a look at Secretariat and the 5 and 6 horse fields he faced race after race after race................

Big Brown will face more horses to win the Triple Crown than ANY other horse in history. Please do all of us a favor and consider changing your name from Draynot to Duhhhhh....

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Mike M — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:59:22 GMT

After running against Curlin,Rags to Riches was never the same. The same could be said about Street Sense. If and when BB runs against Curlin and they go eyeball to eyeball, we will really see what he is made of. Remember Bernadini looked like a super horse until he was challenged in the BC.

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draynot — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:58:07 GMT

Wow 5 for 5 against no competition and you still argue the Big Ole Browneye is the best ever? Maybe Mr. Frisky should have been retired BEFORE his derby attempt so he would fit there as well. It doesn't matter what race you win if it is against inferior competition. 5 for 5 against nuttin don't mean squat. I think I'll line up some senior citizens to race 100 yds. against and do it 5 times. Could I claim to be the fastest ever if I win all of those? I mean if time don't matter I should be able to make that claim huh?

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draynay — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:21:48 GMT

Lol... now that is something we can agree about Karen !!! I love talking horses and go Big Brown....

Wanda- let me make this perfectly clear for you... Curlin will never face Big Brown... not here...not there... no anywhere. The Curlin connections will do everything they can to avoid the Triple Crown Winner.

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Wanda — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:41:37 GMT

Did you guys see Curlin's work the other day or rather read about it? He galloped out the mile in 1:37 and change.Went the mile and an eighth in 1:51 and change he's baaack!Earnings at 8,807,800.Third on the list of all time leading earnings in NA. 11 starts,8-1-2 record.I'd sure like to see him top the list.

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Karen — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:14:12 GMT

Yes, taking BB mind/talent combination, the more I think about it, the more the position doesn't bother me. I would think there will be those that will bolt out and try to set a fast pace however my thought is BB won't go with them. I'm even thinking Kent will let the others break fast and keep BB back and then maybe take him to the outside to avoid traffic problems. I think it was the traffic jams that we see that has caused me concern. If he gets in there with the thick of these horses right off the bat he could get bounced around which is something BB is not used to. At the same time he can't really pull BB up and risk being caught to far back for this stretch run. Should be interesting. I'm sure Kent is thinking about this 24/7 which I hope isn't to much pressure. I have faith he will use his experience and the tactical talent of this colt and ride a smart race. I wish this would hurry up and get over already.

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Melissa G — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:53:32 GMT

Karen, if BB had drawn the rail for the Preakness, I would have been more concerned. However, this horse obviously trusts Kent and allows himself to be rated (as shown in the Preakness. I'm more concerned with jockeys who have a chip on their shoulder trying to box him in. Kind of a 9 vs. 1 scenario. Kent D is smart and he knows his horse. He'll probably try to shoot him to the lead early to keep him out of trouble and then slow the pace down.

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Mike m — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:44:36 GMT

Post position is no consequence as this horse can overcome anything...Right ?